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[Shepard Lives]

Khayness wrote...

Pike off you berk!

I completely support inventing unique swearwords to the Dragon Age universe.

I vote for nug-f***er.

[CalJones]

Gotta love Planescape.

The level of language in Origins was fine. I just finished playing The Witcher which was full of swearing, but I'm not sure that hearing "Your mother sucks dwarf c***" really fits the Dragon Age universe, hilarious though it might be.

[errant_knight]

Saibh wrote...

I don't think more swearing makes a game more mature, or any better. Honestly, I think it would jar in the setting of DA...it wasn't used in the first game extensively ('bastard' and 'b****' were about it), and it'd probably come off as gratuitous here.

Gratuitous was the word I was just about to use.

[errant_knight]

KappaOmicron wrote...

I am not asking there to be more vulgar language as a whole, just in given scenarios, it adds more emotion to a conversation/debate/statement.

I would have to disagree. Well written language is more effective than curses any day. Intent/reaction creates emotion, not degree crudeness.

[Legbiter]

No inappropriate language in my DA 2, you ravenous pot-bellied ****scum.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Bastard is a curse? Were you guys raised in a nunnery? What next? Damn?

[SirOccam]

I wouldn't mind a little more swearing...it might make some characters more believable. And words like Fu*k and Sh*t are surprisingly ancient.

But on the other hand, I never felt like it was missing in DA:O. It never felt like they were deliberately trying to avoid it, and it still felt natural enough. So rather than risk overdoing it, maybe it's better if they just keep it how it was in Origins.

[Ulicus]

BPearl12 wrote...

It would be kind of immersion breaking to hear characters dropping f-bombs in a medieval fantasy settingth.

How would it be any more immersion breaking than hearing characters speaking in modern English? It's actually more immersion breaking NOT to be hearing "medieval" commoners giving voice to obscene language every other word. Seriously, the common people of Ferelden are ridiculously polite. Perhaps it's because my character was a Grey Warden....

Swearing a lot doesn't make people more mature, no, but it can certainly make settings more realistic.

The point that it would be a bit of a sudden change since the first game is perfectly valid, however.

Modifié par Ulicus, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:50 .

[Kalfear]

There will not be more swearing in DA2 cause even though this game rated Mature its designed for the PG13 crowd.



And After Mass Effect 2 and the juvinile way Jack was scripted Im personally glad there will be none.

Jack remains the worst designed character I ever seen. It was like some 13 year old was told to design a "adult character" and he or she went at it with obnoxious amounts of swearing.

I wasnt at all surprised to see the names that "liked" Jack on the ME2 forums. It fits with my 13 year old theory.



Someone mentioned the Witcher. The Witcher does swearing right. Its there and the poorer area of town you go the more often you will hear it (which is correct in society truth be told) but otherwise its just to put a stamp on a staatement or bring attention to. You never hear F this you Fing fer I fing hate you ....



Adult Language has a place in adult games if written correctly and maturely. Based on ME2, its 50/50 if we can expect that from DA2.

[Vandicus]

Too much swearing becomes a joke. Ogrhen's style of swearing, in-lore swearing, adds more depth to the game. I think Ogrhen provided the necessary mood in that respect.

[SirOccam]

Kalfear wrote...

And After Mass Effect 2 and the juvinile way Jack was scripted Im personally glad there will be none.
Jack remains the worst designed character I ever seen. It was like some 13 year old was told to design a "adult character" and he or she went at it with obnoxious amounts of swearing.
I wasnt at all surprised to see the names that "liked" Jack on the ME2 forums. It fits with my 13 year old theory.

I don't think Jack was all that juvenile. Very foul-mouthed, yes, but...foul-mouthed people swear a lot, by definition. The one exception would be her first line if you choose the Paragon option: "Sh*t, you sound like a p*ssy." That is like the stupidest line ever. Totally didn't "fit" the conversation, and it really felt like it was someone telling us "HEY GUYS THIS CHARACTER IS SO HARDCORE, HERE ARE A COUPLE OF SWEAR WORDS TO PROVE IT!"

But the rest, I thought, was fine. I personally enjoyed how, if you didn't "respect" her and basically went for the quickie, she'd thereafter respond to you with a "F*ck off." She has this abrasive, blunt style that her vocabulary totally matches. Nothing wrong with having a character that swears a lot...there are people like that in real life too.

And just for the record, I'm not thirteen. I'm...*sigh*...more than twice that.

[lv12medic]

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a lot.

[Saibh]

lv12medic wrote...


said

a lot.

...Astroturf?

[mllrthyme]

Sod.

[The Edge]

As long as the swearing matches the setting. Personally, I think words like f*** wouldn't work in a fantasy world.

[Kalfear]

SirOccam wrote...

I don't think Jack was all that juvenile.
And just for the record, I'm not thirteen. I'm...*sigh*...more than twice that.

LOL, and no one is surprised.
I could have wrote out a list of people that would say they had no problem with anything Bioware has ever done in any of their games and your name would be right at top.

*snickers* its almost humorous how you think that last statement of yours makes you a adult

[BlackyBlack]

Don't mind Kalfear, he just bashes anyone that disagrees with him (which is a LOT of people). He's just a troll that most people on these forums hate.

Modifié par BlackyBlack, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:19 .

[SirOccam]

Kalfear wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

I don't think Jack was all that juvenile.
And just for the record, I'm not thirteen. I'm...*sigh*...more than twice that.

LOL, and no one is surprised.
I could have wrote out a list of people that would say they had no problem with anything Bioware has ever done in any of their games and your name would be right at top.

*snickers* its almost humorous how you think that last statement of yours makes you a adult

28 years isn't adult yet? Either you fail at math or you're just being a condescending jackass.

There's plenty of stuff I don't like about BioWare games.

I don't like Mark Meer's voice as Shepard. I don't like how what Shepard said rarely matched up in terms of tone to what the dialogue selection was. I thought the love scenes in both DA:O and ME:2 looked ridiculous. I dread the thought of playing through the Deep Roads and the Fade in DA:O. Don't even get me STARTED on Awakening. Such a letdown. I despised the Mako in ME1. I hated the inventory system in ME1 too. And for that matter, I wasn't thrilled with it in DA:O either. I didn't like the "Simon" mini-game in ME1. I didn't like how the origins were rarely acknowledged after the fact, and even when they were, it was only an off-hand comment. I really didn't like the approval system in DA:O; I thought it was clunky and way too easy to spam. I also didn't like how companions' (dis-)approval never changed based on your origin or their current relationship to you (for example, romanced Morrigan disapproved of my City Elf character not sacrificing his own father for a minor constitution bump). I didn't like most of the camera work in DA:O cutscenes. I thought the scene where Morrigan proposes the Dark Ritual felt really rushed and there should have been a lot more questions/objections for the Warden to raise. I didn't like the romances in ME1...any of them. I didn't like either of the Krogan teammates in ME1/ME2, and I didn't like Jacob. I didn't like the Paragon/Renegade system, in that it encouraged extremism and had nothing to offer those in the middle. Come to think of it, that's another thing I didn't like about Approval in DAO; it was always in your best interest to make nice with everyone or else you miss out on bonuses and cutscenes. I hated the whole crafting system in DAO. I could go on and on.

What I DID like in ME1 and 2 was the story and the gameplay (aside from the Mako and whatever else I mentioned in the wall o' text above). In DAO it was the story/writing, by far. They are two completely different games, and you'll excuse me if I don't decide to be intentionally narrow-minded and judge everything based on what I think a "true" RPG needs to be. I thought all 3 games were great, despite (or perhaps because of) their differences.

Jack was an exception, really...she just happens to be one of my favorite companions out of either ME game. Now if EVERY character was as foul-mouthed as she was, that would be a different story. But I don't see why everyone needs to use outlandish and whimsical swear-word equivalents when the real thing will do. Nor do I see why not being offended by swearing equates to immaturity. If anything, I think the people who get their panties in a twist every time they hear the F-word need to grow up. Swearing is part of language, and a significant and useful part at that. The sooner people accept it, the sooner swear words lose what little so-called "power" they have.

TL;DR: I don't really care what you think.

Edit: Oh, and...
The next time you go to call someone a fanboy, sycophant, or what ever
you think your being creative in calling them. How about you step back
and think for a second that these people are passionate about Bioware
RPGs and dont want to see their beloved franchises get held back creatively and mired in tedium and needless detail. They like
what they had and are interested in how it can be made better! Thats why
they are speaking out.

Modifié par SirOccam, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:53 .

[mllrthyme]

Holy sh!! Occam. I knew there was a reason why I like your posts.

Ah vulgarity. Best used to emphasize a point or the mood for a setting. Swearing for the sake of swearing is inane.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I wish they'd model dialogue after Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs you know realistic.



For instance saing F*** wouldn't be accented it would just like appear in the place of um, or uh. Or to accent a thought like "I went down to the bog, and.. f***in darkspawn were there"



Said monotone and quickly.

[Onyx Jaguar]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Don't mind Kalfear, he just bashes anyone that disagrees with him (which is a LOT of people). He's just a troll that most people on these forums hate.

True enough

[mllrthyme]

I don't know...if they model dialogue after pulp fiction, we'll have Samuel L doing VA and a dragon age gimp on the loose.

[Grommash94]

SirOccam wrote...
 


The next time you go to call someone a fanboy, sycophant, or what ever
you think your being creative in calling them. How about you step back
and think for a second that these people are passionate about Bioware
RPGs and dont want to see their beloved franchises get held back creatively and mired in tedium and needless detail. They like
what they had and are interested in how it can be made better! Thats why
they are speaking out.

Epic post Occam. And this part is my new sig

[Gill Kaiser]

The dwarves said "sodding" all the time, and that's derived from a shortening of "sodomite".

[marquiseondore]

I thought I heard the word sh** in the demo, it was sort of hard to tell with Cassandra's accent.

Modifié par marquiseondore, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:26 .