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[ObserverStatus]

If they used as much vulgar language as much as in, lets say, this video, the game would be more mature and I would feel more immersed in the Dragon Age universe.
*Vulgar Language Warning*

[Mdfitz]

im pretty sure wynne says horse **** when you deselect her from your party

[HighMoon]

I support foul language in DA2! I'm probably one of the few people who didn't mind Jack's dirty mouth in ME2 (but I suppose that's only because it suited her character).

[HighMoon]

Mdfitz wrote...

im pretty sure wynne says horse **** when you deselect her from your party

Wynne says "Horse feathers", it is Shale who says "Pigeon sh*t".. or was it "Pigeon crap"?

[Time4Tiddy]

I'll just post a quick transcript of an Oghren/Alistair party banter. This is the level of "foul" language that I think is both appropriate and humorous for a game with a dark fantasy setting:



* Oghren: So. With the boss, aye?

* Alistair: Pardon?

* Oghren: You and the boss. Rolling your oats.

* Alistair: I don't know--

* Oghren: Polishing the footstones.

* Alistair: --what you're--

* Oghren: Tapping the midnight still, if you will.

* Alistair: what are you going on about?

* Oghren: Forging the moaning statue. Bucking the forbidden horse. Donning the velvet hat.

* Alistair: Are you just making these up right now?

* Oghren: Nope. Been saving 'em.

[Ulicus]

The Edge wrote...

As long as the swearing matches the setting. Personally, I think words like f*** wouldn't work in a fantasy world.

You've not read nearly enough fantasy novels, in that case.

[David Gaider]

We try to be very careful about using profanity that is too anachronistic-- though of course one's individual tolerance for anachronism is going to vary. The meeting where we hashed out exactly what profanity was acceptable and what was unacceptable was, I have to say, one of the most bizarrely fun I've ever attended.

Regardless, I'm not telling you **** just yet.

[joriandrake]

David Gaider wrote...

We try to be very careful about using profanity that is too anachronistic-- though of course one's individual tolerance for anachronism is going to vary. The meeting where we hashed out exactly what profanity was acceptable and what was unacceptable was, I have to say, one of the most bizarrely fun I've ever attended.

Regardless, I'm not telling you **** just yet.

hmm, this is weird, this is supposed to be an adult game afterall, you shouldn't need to worry about language, behavior, or sex as it can't get an even higher rating anyway




also:

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not telling you **** just yet.

this would be an awesome quotte for sigs

[Riona45]

Ulicus wrote...

BPearl12 wrote...

It would be kind of immersion breaking to hear characters dropping f-bombs in a medieval fantasy settingth.

How would it be any more immersion breaking than hearing characters speaking in modern English? It's actually more immersion breaking NOT to be hearing "medieval" commoners giving voice to obscene language every other word. Seriously, the common people of Ferelden are ridiculously polite. Perhaps it's because my character was a Grey Warden....

Swearing a lot doesn't make people more mature, no, but it can certainly make settings more realistic.

The point that it would be a bit of a sudden change since the first game is perfectly valid, however.

I agree with you--people in a "medieval" setting don't need to polite or refrain from dirty language.  Hasn't vulgar language existed since people could speak?

[Time4Tiddy]

joriandrake wrote...

hmm, this is weird, this is supposed to be an adult game afterall, you shouldn't need to worry about language, behavior, or sex as it can't get an even higher rating anyway

Actually, it could get rated AO (adults only), and then it wouldn't be sold in any retail chain in the US.  I know the Targets and Gamestops and the like have all committed not to carry any title with an AO rating.

[UndercoverDoctor]

joriandrake wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

We try to be very careful about using profanity that is too anachronistic-- though of course one's individual tolerance for anachronism is going to vary. The meeting where we hashed out exactly what profanity was acceptable and what was unacceptable was, I have to say, one of the most bizarrely fun I've ever attended.

Regardless, I'm not telling you **** just yet.

hmm, this is weird, this is supposed to be an adult game afterall, you shouldn't need to worry about language, behavior, or sex as it can't get an even higher rating anyway




also:

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not telling you **** just yet.

this would be an awesome quotte for sigs

Yes it would.

[Ulicus]

David Gaider wrote...

We try to be very careful about using profanity that is too anachronistic-- though of course one's individual tolerance for anachronism is going to vary.

I'm not sure what profanity would be "too anachronistic".

Is **** really anachronistic? Is ****? How about ****? 

I don't really see what you mean....

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:01 .

[David Gaider]

Riona45 wrote...
I agree with you--people in a "medieval" setting don't need to polite or refrain from dirty language.  Hasn't vulgar language existed since people could speak?

Oh, they had many, many vulgar words-- some we would even recognize.

The point is, however, that most we would not. The point is picking a feel for a fantasy game and going with that, and avoiding phrases as often as possible that break the illusion that you're not in a medieval-ish setting even if you're being communicated to in a modern tongue. That said, the fact that you're being communicated to in a modern tongue means that some level of idiomatic language is unavoidable.

I've read plenty of fantasy that indulged in very vulgar language, and I think it's fine so long as it's impactful. That's a key word, there. I remember back in the day watching Degrassi Junior High (showing my Canadian roots, here) when they changed the profanity rules on CBC.

You see, it was the final episode and Caitlin had finally found out that Joey had been cheating on her. OMG, right? Anyway, she wheels on him in an utter rage and shouts "You were f****** Tessa?!"

It was shocking-- but it also worked. The fact that it was so out of the norm made it work, because it underlined just how angry she was. She swore, which is what people who are THAT angry do... they don't say "poop" or "firetruck" or "gosh darn it!" Not unless they're the Church Lady, I guess. Thing is, if it fits for the character, profanity can be very impactful so long as it is occasional and not overused.

[SirOccam]

Ulicus wrote...

The Edge wrote...

As long as the swearing matches the setting. Personally, I think words like f*** wouldn't work in a fantasy world.

You've not read nearly enough fantasy novels, in that case.

Like A Song of Ice and Fire. It has some really raunchy, filthy language...but that's because it has raunchy, filthy people!

[KLUME777]

KappaOmicron wrote...

Since i've seen so many Bioware people commenting quite freely on some of the threads regarding questions and discussions people have started, I would like to ask if any of you could tell us what the bad language level is going to be in Dragon Age II.

In DA:O I heard "bastard" often enough but perhaps there may be some moments in the game where putting "****ing" within a sentence to show your emphasis on the matter you are talking may be appropiate? After all this is an 18 game and I have read that there are much more decapitations now.

I would be most grateful if someone from Bioware could answer this, I would not hate DA:II if not, in a matter of fact i'm loving how it's sounding at the moment, this would just be a small plus for me and perhaps some others in the community.

I am not making a big deal out of this in any way what-so-ever, it is but a question where no matter the answer to it I will still be extremely excited and waiting patiently for DA:II

Thank you for reading this fairly long post.

There is going to be no swearing in the game beyond Bastard and what not, simply cos it doesnt fit the time frame and universe, it wouldnt feel right, imagine if LoTR sweared.

[Ulicus]

David Gaider wrote...

I've read plenty of fantasy that indulged in very vulgar language, and I think it's fine so long as it's impactful.

Have you read any of Matt Stover's Acts of Caine? What would that series be without Berne's: "Well, **** me like a virgin goat!"

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:05 .

[SirOccam]

David Gaider wrote...

It was shocking-- but it also worked. The fact that it was so out of the norm made it work, because it underlined just how angry she was. She swore, which is what people who are THAT angry do... they don't say "poop" or "firetruck" or "gosh darn it!" Not unless they're the Church Lady, I guess. Thing is, if it fits for the character, profanity can be very impactful so long as it is occasional and not overused.

[Ulicus]

SirOccam wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

It was shocking-- but it also worked. The fact that it was so out of the norm made it work, because it underlined just how angry she was. She swore, which is what people who are THAT angry do... they don't say "poop" or "firetruck" or "gosh darn it!" Not unless they're the Church Lady, I guess. Thing is, if it fits for the character, profanity can be very impactful so long as it is occasional and not overused.

See, that was just disappointing (the NON edited version). It'd have been better had it not been hyped up... but it wouldn't have existed had it not been. The box office abhors a paradox!

I find the edit more entertaining.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:07 .

[SirOccam]

Grommash94 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
 


The next time you go to call someone a fanboy, sycophant, or what ever
you think your being creative in calling them. How about you step back
and think for a second that these people are passionate about Bioware
RPGs and dont want to see their beloved franchises get held back creatively and mired in tedium and needless detail. They like
what they had and are interested in how it can be made better! Thats why
they are speaking out.

Epic post Occam. And this part is my new sig

Thanks, but just for the record, I left the "your" in because that's how Kalfear had it in his. =P

[Sneelonz]

"by the maker!"

[steelfire_dragon]

Bastards= out of wedlock born offspring... aka Alistair is one, so is Longbow out of the Feist novels.

a great many deal others, its used as an adjective, duragative yes, and insult yes, but its the truth.....

do I need to see profanity more than this in any game, you better believe I sodding don't.

I'd sooner see topless female pcs running around.... and only topless as in no top, no head no nothing.... the arch demon came back and ate it... hahahahahahahahaha

Modifié par steelfire_dragon, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:38 .

[Arttis]

i would crap to be said more.

[ScreamingPalm]

Political correctness in a medieval setting is about the equivalent of non-smoking "Italian" restaurants in the US. LOL

Where is the "press A" to Rape & Pillage option?

Modifié par ScreamingPalm, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:50 .