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[RyuAzai]

Har Har Har, Ass Chaps! -Falls over-

[BallaZs]

More vulgar language would just make the game even better.

You could just express how agressive you are.

Like the idea

[Toroi]

I have to say that trying to import curse words from our society into a totally different setting doesn't usually do it for me. It just seems out of place. I think Gaider has it right that there is no use for it unless it has some impact. I would think that Ferelden would have its own unique curse words and ours might not work so well in that setting.



For example, my wife's native language doesn't have 'swear' words as we know them in English. While there are vulgar terms, they do not rise to the same level as they do in English. She sometimes swears at me in English just to amuse herself, because she still doesn't really understand the whole concept of a swear word, that and she knows it annoys me.



That said, I have no problem with vulgar words, as long as it doesn't get ridiculous, which I can't see happening based on Bioware's past work, and as long as the terms fit the setting and don't break the immersion.

[dan107]

David Gaider wrote...
It was shocking-- but it also worked. The fact that it was so out of the norm made it work, because it underlined just how angry she was. She swore, which is what people who are THAT angry do... they don't say "poop" or "firetruck" or "gosh darn it!" Not unless they're the Church Lady, I guess. Thing is, if it fits for the character, profanity can be very impactful so long as it is occasional and not overused.

What about low-brow people that curse so much that they incorporate profanity into their everyday language? Surely there should be people like this in the Middle Ages? The Witcher did this well IMO - when you enter a seedy tavern you are not met by some kind of Shakesperean cast, you encounter a bunch of drunks cursing, gambling, and fighting. Makes the place feel authentic.

Modifié par dan107, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:19 .

[dan107]

Toroi wrote...
For example, my wife's native language doesn't have 'swear' words as we know them in English.

Really? What language is that? I though cursing was about the only thing that was universal.

[SirGladiator]

I liked that the language was quite good in DA, certainly much better than ME2. Certainly bad language is the opposite of 'mature', as mature and intelligent people actually know enough words that they don't have to resort to using bad language to make their point. Language was just one more way that DA was better than ME2, and I hope that it isn't another way that DA2 becomes more like ME2.

[Ponce de Leon]

Insulting Morrigan never gets old... err, I mean is quite vulgar



Still, I don't hope they make a ME1-ME2 jump in vulgarity (****s everywhere... and listening to Zaeed is like listening to an angry Serbian (Bring it on you son of a *****!))

[Biotic Budah]

Schuback wrote...

Ohgren: By the ****** of my ancestors..
,,,, that was pretty vulgar

True but so was Oghren.


"That son of a wh** Teagan bet me a couldn't drink a whole barrel of pickle juice...I intend to prove him wrong."

Modifié par Biotic Budah, 25 juillet 2010 - 09:08 .

[ScreamingPalm]

And so many people make fun of Hollywood...

[SirOccam]

SirGladiator wrote...

Certainly bad language is the opposite of 'mature', as mature and intelligent people actually know enough words that they don't have to resort to using bad language to make their point.

With all due respect, I think truly mature and intelligent people have moved beyond thinking of ANY language as "bad." I don't see what's so mature about being afraid of certain arbitrary combinations of letters. Isn't it more mature to recognize and acknowledge the role that cursing plays in language, and not to be afraid to use it when it's called for?

And why should any part of language be avoided as a rule?

Modifié par SirOccam, 25 juillet 2010 - 09:33 .

[Biotic Budah]

Relations! Relations you and the horse you rode in on!!

[Spazztik]

As long as it fits in the context of the game, the particular cut scene or whatnot vulgar language is fine. I'm not 5 I know and understand what it means and what is appropriate and if its used the right way I like it better.

[Chairon de Celeste]

People have always and will always cuss and use vulgar
language when nobody important who'd frown about that
is around.

Too much 'political correctness' makes a game indigestible,
just like in the real time game named 'real life'

[gotthammer]

dan107 wrote...

What about low-brow people that curse so much that they incorporate profanity into their everyday language? Surely there should be people like this in the Middle Ages? The Witcher did this well IMO - when you enter a seedy tavern you are not met by some kind of Shakesperean cast, you encounter a bunch of drunks cursing, gambling, and fighting. Makes the place feel authentic.

Yeah. I have at least one friend who inserts a curse phrase (the most common of which, in our tongue, translates to '****-mother') in almost every sentence.  
(it's 'infectious', too)
Seeing someone who cusses every line or so isn't something I'd find unbelievable. Crass? Yeah. Annoying? Probably? But nothing I haven't encountered before (heck, I even here people talking like that on the street here). 

[dan107]

SirOccam wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

Certainly bad language is the opposite of 'mature', as mature and intelligent people actually know enough words that they don't have to resort to using bad language to make their point.

With all due respect, I think truly mature and intelligent people have moved beyond thinking of ANY language as "bad." I don't see what's so mature about being afraid of certain arbitrary combinations of letters. Isn't it more mature to recognize and acknowledge the role that cursing plays in language, and not to be afraid to use it when it's called for?

And why should any part of language be avoided as a rule?

Well said!

On top of that, you encounter a range of different characters in a game, and just like in real life not all of them (that's putting it mildly) are going to be mature and intelligent enough to express themselves without cursing.

[Biotic Budah]

dan107 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

Certainly bad language is the opposite of 'mature', as mature and intelligent people actually know enough words that they don't have to resort to using bad language to make their point.

With all due respect, I think truly mature and intelligent people have moved beyond thinking of ANY language as "bad." I don't see what's so mature about being afraid of certain arbitrary combinations of letters. Isn't it more mature to recognize and acknowledge the role that cursing plays in language, and not to be afraid to use it when it's called for?

And why should any part of language be avoided as a rule?

Well said!

On top of that, you encounter a range of different characters in a game, and just like in real life not all of them (that's putting it mildly) are going to be mature and intelligent enough to express themselves without cursing.

And besides, I believe the games rating more than addresses any language issues. No one said it was a family game.....unless you're a Lohan.

[Chairon de Celeste]

dan107 wrote...

On top of that, you encounter a range of different characters in a game, and just like in real life not all of them (that's putting it mildly) are going to be mature and intelligent enough to express themselves without cursing.

Even the mature and intelligent cuss and use vulgar language, to my experience especially those
who officially frown upon that, trust me.

I see no reason why that should be avoided in the DA series like restrooms in (most) games.

[JoltDealer]

 The word "****" was originally a word that simply meant to hit or strike.  It wasn't until "Fornication Under Consent of the King" that the word began to get its current meaning due to the acronym that sprang from it.  And then there was the invention of the middle finger gesture.  This one came because of archers being caught and having the finger that pulled back the arrow on their bow chopped off.  As you guessed it was the middle finger that was usually chopped off, so archers soon began taunting enemy soldiers with their middle finger as a way to insult their inability.

The medieval times invented some of the worst words out there today.  Those two are the best examples in my opinion.  So can Dragon Age 2 have more vulgar language and still fit in?  Yes, yes they can.  I was actually surprised they didn't have a few characters flip people off in Dragon Age: Origins.

[Biotic Budah]

I have yet to notice any of Biowares games using profanity for the sake of profanity. They use it as part of the flow of dialogue and in Ogrhen and Zaeed's cases, to enrich the image of the grizzled characters they are.

[flixerflax]

I didn't mind the foul language of the Witcher. Even if you think drunks stumbling around going "Your mother sucks dwarf c***" makes the game less mature....well that's kind of the point. Plenty of adults act like gross, immature, sexually fixated children, especially when they're intoxicated. Thus, you might say, "immature developers trying to appeal to 13 year old boys with references to genitals" But I say, that's realism.  That's like a friday night in the city.

All other comparisons aside, elements like the cursing in the Witcher made the cities seems really seedy and grimy, while most everyone in Denerim, for example, even thieves and murders in the slums, are well spoken, making it feel more sterile.

Modifié par flixerflax, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:27 .

[KappaOmicron]

I notice that a lot of you are using the time kine as a reference for curse words such as "****" but if you are trying to use that time line as a reference stating how they used to talk back in the medievil times, then Dragon Age Origins was awful. They talked very well, back in those days I would expect to hear "Here ye, Here ye" and "Thoust" a lot since that is how we all talked a few hundred years ago.

Dragon Age: Origins was not an awful game, it was good, but you cannot compare how we used to talk back in that time period to the world of Thedas. Period.

It doesn't make sense.

I am also quite suprised on the number of people who have such a strong feeling against vulgar language, even though it is a strong part of society nowadays, unless the majority of you are very rich nobles?

Modifié par KappaOmicron, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:00 .

[flixerflax]

It would be a lot worse than that if they were going for actual medieval language:

A good WIF was ther, OF biside BATHE,
But she was somdel deef, and that was scathe.
Of clooth-makyng she hadde swich an haunt,
She passed hem of Ypres and of Gaunt.
In al the parisshe wif ne was ther noon

That to the offrynge bifore hire sholde goon

Modifié par flixerflax, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:35 .

[UberDuber]

Well it is 18, and I dont buy many games these days unless they are 18.

[Solaris Paradox]

They should obviously just stick to using profanity where the writing calls for it--including it, or omitting it, simply because you either want it in or want it out, invariably comes out as tacky writing. I can't recall a single instance of profanity in Dragon Age: Origins that wasn't called for (the use of the word "bastard" was mostly in the literal sense of illegitimate birth, anyway, and that's even less out-of-place in a medieval setting than it is in real life). If BioWare's writers are as good as they've shown themselves to be, Dragon Age 2 should be no different: profanity used as the situation calls for it.



There's nothing "mature" about profanity, anyway. It's just words. It's considered "mature content" because we don't want little kiddies hearing it and getting the wrong idea, not because adults should be listening to it all the time. If you thought the latter rather than the former, then clearly you're just another example of why the former case is the truth.

[Ulicus]

flixerflax wrote...

I didn't mind the foul language of the Witcher. Even if you think drunks stumbling around going "Your mother sucks dwarf c***" makes the game less mature....well that's kind of the point. Plenty of adults act like gross, immature, sexually fixated children, especially when they're intoxicated. Thus, you might say, "immature developers trying to appeal to 13 year old boys with references to genitals" But I say, that's realism.  That's like a friday night in the city.

All other comparisons aside, elements like the cursing in the Witcher made the cities seems really seedy and grimy, while most everyone in Denerim, for example, even thieves and murders in the slums, are well spoken, making it feel more sterile.

Yeah, I find myself in complete agreement.