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[Kranaos]

 I've been thinking and Thedas holds many similarities to our own world and past. The Tevinter Imperium is basically the remains of the Roman Empire when it split up and crumbled. Orlais is France and Fereldan is Anglo-Saxon England. The Grey Wardens are a secret society of warriors much like the Templars of our world. Then the Templars of Dragon Age with their Exalted Marches are basically Crusades. Qunari feel like invading Islam in Spain with their y'know cannons and new religion. Oh and Adrastate is Jesus just how The Chantry is the Catholic Church and the Tevinter Imperium's Chantry is like the Orthadox church. Did anyone else notice these similarities and others while playing Dragon Age? 

[Grommash94]

Thedas is meant to be modeled after Europe I believe. Tevinter is the waning Byzantine, Qunari the Ottomans, etc..

[Kranaos]

Yeah I figured it had to be more than just a coincidence...Much too similar to be coincidence.

[GodWood]

Andraste seems more like Joan of Ark.

[In Exile]

Andraste is a female Jesus, minus the son of god aspect. The military aspect of her story is identical to Joan of Ark, but theologically she is effectively Jesus.

[Kranaos]

Yeah Joan of Ark would be another. She fits in the Jesus role though for the whole new religion thing and eventually getting executed and the Maker is a single god while the Old Gods were several, like God and the Roman/Greek Gods of our world. She also gets betrayed to her enemies by someone close. Then in the end the empire that kills them embraces their new religion. I say she is more like a hybird of Joan and Jesus.

[BelSirk]

In Exile wrote...

Andraste is a female Jesus, minus the son of god aspect. The military aspect of her story is identical to Joan of Ark, but theologically she is effectively Jesus.

Well, other option: Andraste  and The Maker seem familiar to Mahoma and Ala, "There is only god, Ala, and Mahoma is his profet"   and its  mixed with Chatolic (maybe others which i can't identify, or authors secret recipe), because the hierachy structure on the Chantry it's verttical like the Chatolic instead of horizontal structure which have Islam, don't forget the  Chatedral seem more like the eruopean one and of course... all those Andraste's statues

Andraste it's a mortal who never give a birth a god or was the child of the Maker, so, isn't the same as Jesus neither Maria (Maria isn't the bride of Chatolic God), but Andraste  become the profet of his god, and from hers word the Chant was made (something similar with Mahoma, who speak the words of Ala, and from those was made The Coran) 

Have similiar it's ok, don't been the same it's better!! (and i love DA world because that)

[JergenKajaton]

This is one of the things I love about the Dragon Age setting. It's similar enough to real Middle Ages Europe that the parallels are obvious, but different enough that it doesn't seem like they just cut and pasted from history textbooks. The Chantry is obviously based on the Middle Ages Catholic church, but it's not quite the Middle Ages Catholic church. It's different enough to be something new and original.

[Grommash94]

BelSirk wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Andraste is a female Jesus, minus the son of god aspect. The military aspect of her story is identical to Joan of Ark, but theologically she is effectively Jesus.

Well, other option: Andraste  and The Maker seem familiar to Mahoma and Ala, "There is only god, Ala, and Mahoma is his profet"   and its  mixed with Chatolic (maybe others which i can't identify, or authors secret recipe), because the hierachy structure on the Chantry it's verttical like the Chatolic instead of horizontal structure which have Islam, don't forget the  Chatedral seem more like the eruopean one and of course... all those Andraste's statues

Andraste it's a mortal who never give a birth a god or was the child of the Maker, so, isn't the same as Jesus neither Maria (Maria isn't the bride of Chatolic God), but Andraste  become the profet of his god, and from hers word the Chant was made (something similar with Mahoma, who speak the words of Ala, and from those was made The Coran) 

Have similiar it's ok, don't been the same it's better!! (and i love DA world because that)

Ah but Andraste was not only a prophetess. She was the Wife of the maker. So I believe the Jesus comparison is more appropriate.

[Maverick827]

Dragon Age's parallels are both cheesy and interesting at the same time.

[mllrthyme]

Kranaos wrote...

 I've been thinking and Thedas holds many similarities to our own world and past. The Tevinter Imperium is basically the remains of the Roman Empire when it split up and crumbled. Orlais is France and Fereldan is Anglo-Saxon England. The Grey Wardens are a secret society of warriors much like the Templars of our world. Then the Templars of Dragon Age with their Exalted Marches are basically Crusades. Qunari feel like invading Islam in Spain with their y'know cannons and new religion. Oh and Adrastate is Jesus just how The Chantry is the Catholic Church and the Tevinter Imperium's Chantry is like the Orthadox church. Did anyone else notice these similarities and others while playing Dragon Age? 

I agree with this except for the Qunari.  I feel like Antiva is Spain, of course that's just based on Zevran's accent.  I'm not exactly sure where the Qunari would fit in in relation to the real world.

[BelSirk]

Grommash94 wrote...


Ah but Andraste was not only a prophetess. She was the Wife of the maker. So I believe the Jesus comparison is more appropriate.

Yes , but she was a mortal, with a mortal soul, Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself (oh God! i must stop think about this or my grandmother would use that bar soap on me :innocent:) ... anyway , it's only my opinion ,  and will not say anymore for avoid broke the rules of the forum

by the way, something i think never though.. the exalted marches of the Chantry... are using only templars or each nation on thedas give troops ?  

Modifié par BelSirk, 24 juillet 2010 - 04:11 .

[JergenKajaton]

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

[stevej713]

JergenKajaton wrote...

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

I don't think it's a good idea to start a discussion on religion in this topic.  A very touchy subject, it is.

[langelog]

Qunari sound similar to Mongols, they have a very powerful military of brutish men, with great combat skill. Qunari live in a far off foriegn land, but travel far away from home to spread their influence as they conquer distant lands just as the Mongols often did. Not sure about the Mongolian sense of honor, they were barbarians, who wished to serve the Khan. Qunari seem to have a very honor bound society, who choose death before dishonor. The Mongolian Empire was vast spreding from the korean pininsula to eastern Europe. I don't know the how much land the Qunari hold, but it seems that like the Mongols, they have had difficulty in holding stability within their territory.

[langelog]

stevej713 wrote...

JergenKajaton wrote...

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

I don't think it's a good idea to start a discussion on religion in this topic.  A very touchy subject, it is.

I concur, as a proud Christian I'm offended by some of this crap.

[stevej713]

langelog wrote...

Qunari sound similar to Mongols, they have a very powerful military of brutish men, with great combat skill. Qunari live in a far off foriegn land, but travel far away from home to spread their influence as they conquer distant lands just as the Mongols often did. Not sure about the Mongolian sense of honor, they were barbarians, who wished to serve the Khan. Qunari seem to have a very honor bound society, who choose death before dishonor. The Mongolian Empire was vast spreding from the korean pininsula to eastern Europe. I don't know the how much land the Qunari hold, but it seems that like the Mongols, they have had difficulty in holding stability within their territory.

They remind me more of the Ottomans.  The Turks were very technologically advanced and were in a constant state of war with the Byzantines for hundreds of years (whom the Imperium was already compared to).  Plus, they were known for being slightly more religiously tolerant at times compared to the Western Europeans.

[BelSirk]

JergenKajaton wrote...

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

Actually the best part, himsefl make himself witouth travel time   NOW,that is the HOLY PART, try to do that Fray of futurama!!! 

, of course that is only humor, on the serious part God it's trhee aspect of himself, Father, Son , Holy Ghost (though on spanish is the "Holy spirit" )   sending theSon as true fact of his love to his children, knowing beforehand the fate of his son,  however, when i did my last comment was with fun and never with the desire of offend my family credo, so better stop there

P.d. I once was to join to the "legionary of Crhist" that is the reason sometime we do simple jokes (yes, even the most closest to the idea can do jokes about themselves)

[GodWood]

langelog wrote...
Qunari sound similar to Mongols, they have a very powerful military of brutish men, with great combat skill. Qunari live in a far off foriegn land, but travel far away from home to spread their influence as they conquer distant lands just as the Mongols often did. Not sure about the Mongolian sense of honor, they were barbarians, who wished to serve the Khan. Qunari seem to have a very honor bound society, who choose death before dishonor. The Mongolian Empire was vast spreding from the korean pininsula to eastern Europe. I don't know the how much land the Qunari hold, but it seems that like the Mongols, they have had difficulty in holding stability within their territory.

The mongols however where far more tolerant of foreign religions then the qunari.

Oh and qunari fun fact: David Gaider said that qunari architecture is influenced by Mayan architecture.

Modifié par GodWood, 24 juillet 2010 - 04:36 .

[BelSirk]

GodWood wrote...

The mongols however where far more tolerant of foreign religions then the qunari.

Oh and qunari fun fact: David Gaider said that qunari architecture is influenced by Mayan architecture.

That is interesent, want to see their house with WC and sewers ... they even have temples?  

[JergenKajaton]

langelog wrote...

stevej713 wrote...

JergenKajaton wrote...

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

I don't think it's a good idea to start a discussion on religion in this topic.  A very touchy subject, it is.

I concur, as a proud Christian I'm offended by some of this crap.

You can be as proud as you want, and as offended as you want, but I respect you too much to pretend that I respect your beliefs. If I ****-footed around the issue in order to avoid offending your delicate sensibilities, that would indicate a lack of respect, implying that I think you're weak and insecure. I don't. I operate under the assumption that you're strong enough and secure enough in your beliefs to tolerate the existence of worldviews different than your own.

[Chuvvy]

I like where this thread is going. Should be comical, a bunch of neckbeards "debating" relgion.

Modifié par Slidell505, 24 juillet 2010 - 04:50 .

[In Exile]

BelSirk wrote..

Well, other option: Andraste  and The Maker seem familiar to Mahoma and Ala, "There is only god, Ala, and Mahoma is his profet"   and its  mixed with Chatolic (maybe others which i can't identify, or authors secret recipe), because the hierachy structure on the Chantry it's verttical like the Chatolic instead of horizontal structure which have Islam, don't forget the  Chatedral seem more like the eruopean one and of course... all those Andraste's statues 

Is the prophet venerated in the same way Andraste is by the Chantry? I'm not a christian or muslim myself, but my impression was that the muslims saw their prophet as a more highly venerated leader, but not a divine figure per se.  

Andraste it's a mortal who never give a birth a god or was the child of the Maker, so, isn't the same as Jesus neither Maria (Maria isn't the bride of Chatolic God), but Andraste  become the profet of his god, and from hers word the Chant was made (something similar with Mahoma, who speak the words of Ala, and from those was made The Coran)

To be honest, her military conquest makes me think of Joshua moreso than any other prophet. But there is also the issue of being burned to death. There is also the fact that, as I undertand it, Andraste herself did not actually found her own religion, but it was rather done after her death.

[Grommash94]

JergenKajaton wrote...

langelog wrote...

stevej713 wrote...

JergenKajaton wrote...

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

I don't think it's a good idea to start a discussion on religion in this topic.  A very touchy subject, it is.

I concur, as a proud Christian I'm offended by some of this crap.

You can be as proud as you want, and as offended as you want, but I respect you too much to pretend that I respect your beliefs. If I ****-footed around the issue in order to avoid offending your delicate sensibilities, that would indicate a lack of respect, implying that I think you're weak and insecure. I don't. I operate under the assumption that you're strong enough and secure enough in your beliefs to tolerate the existence of worldviews different than your own.

Religion is a touchy subject. It is not something you discuss in a thread about Thedas and the Real World. Have a bad feeling this thread will become locked because of it.

[JergenKajaton]

Grommash94 wrote...

JergenKajaton wrote...

langelog wrote...

stevej713 wrote...

JergenKajaton wrote...

BelSirk wrote...Jesus was a mortal with a divine soul, whose mother was a simpel mortal and Father... well technical..  :blink:the father was himself

Ah yes, Christianity. The belief that God fathered himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from... himself.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

I don't think it's a good idea to start a discussion on religion in this topic.  A very touchy subject, it is.

I concur, as a proud Christian I'm offended by some of this crap.

You can be as proud as you want, and as offended as you want, but I respect you too much to pretend that I respect your beliefs. If I ****-footed around the issue in order to avoid offending your delicate sensibilities, that would indicate a lack of respect, implying that I think you're weak and insecure. I don't. I operate under the assumption that you're strong enough and secure enough in your beliefs to tolerate the existence of worldviews different than your own.

Religion is a touchy subject. It is not something you discuss in a thread about Thedas and the Real World. Have a bad feeling this thread will become locked because of it.

You're probably right. There's a time and a place for it, and this probably isn't it. I just have a hard time getting myself to care that religion is a touchy subject. I am strongly of the opinion that no philosophical system -- religious or otherwise -- should be considered off-limits to criticism.

I will concede, however, that this is not the place for religious criticism, and shut the hell up about it.