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[Batman90]

From the looks of it, each Dragon Age title is going to keep true to the franchise's name and take place in the same "age," each one apparently starting out around the time period of the previous game and ending much later (As evidenced by the whole "ten year" thing in DA:2).

I'm hoping BioWare takes advantage of this and presents the culture/technology of Thedas in a way that it evolves over the course of the series (Since gunpowder and primitive cannons already exist, apparently, maybe by the end of the Dragon Age we will be seeing primitive firearms/muskets, or maybe the Chantry will go through a great schism (Maybe they will see their equivalent of the Protestant Reformation?)).

I'm also wondering if BioWare has plans to extend the series beyond the setting of Thedas, since to my understanding, Thedas is merely a continent, and not the world itself (Correct me if I'm mistaken).

[mllrthyme]

I do believe you are correct in that Thedas is a continent and not the world. As far as a Chantry schism, I think they already had one and that's why there's a Black and White Divine if memory serves.

[KLUME777]

mllrthyme wrote...

I do believe you are correct in that Thedas is a continent and not the world. As far as a Chantry schism, I think they already had one and that's why there's a Black and White Divine if memory serves.

There are no gunpowder in DAO:huh:   tell me where


I would not like it if there are guns in DA3

[Batman90]

KLUME777 wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

I do believe you are correct in that Thedas is a continent and not the world. As far as a Chantry schism, I think they already had one and that's why there's a Black and White Divine if memory serves.

There are no gunpowder in DAO:huh:   tell me where

I believe I read a BioWare post stating that the Qunari have developed gunpowder (I heard it was referenced in DA:A, but I haven't played that yet).

I would not like it if there are guns in DA3

Why not? It would be silly if there were no signs of technological progress over the course of the series.

[Narreneth]

Thedas was created out of nothing 6000 years ago. It is how it was made to be. Evolution does not exist. Heathen.

[mllrthyme]

It's mentioned in another thread that Qunari have gunpowder and cannons, but no firearms.

http://social.biowar...1/index/3210575

I would also dislike guns in DA3. I believe it would ruin the medieval aspect of the game, and there are different ways of showing technological progress.

[Grommash94]

Technological progress is all well and good...but guns? Gah.

[Batman90]

There is a difference between the rapid-fire machine gun and the primitive blunderbluss (Which is already an established element in high fantasy fiction, so I don't see why the more conservative fans should complain if those became an option for weaponry).

[Grommash94]

Batman90 wrote...

There is a difference between the rapid-fire machine gun and the primitive blunderbluss (Which is already an established element in high fantasy fiction, so I don't see why the more conservative fans should complain if those became an option for weaponry).

It just screams Warhammer to me though. Plus, there doesn't seem to have been much progress in terms of technology since the days of the Tevinter empire and now.

A lot of high fantasy worlds, in order to not ruin the setting, don't have any progress at all.

[mllrthyme]

I don't think we'll see firearms any time soon no matter how primative they are just because the Qunari keep that technology under lock and key. Remember the epilogue for that crazy dwarf and his weak grenades in Awakenings?

[Batman90]

Grommash94 wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

There is a difference between the rapid-fire machine gun and the primitive blunderbluss (Which is already an established element in high fantasy fiction, so I don't see why the more conservative fans should complain if those became an option for weaponry).

Plus, there doesn't seem to have been much progress in terms of technology since the days of the Tevinter empire and now.

I like to think that the Tevinter Empire is the Roman Empire, and that the Dragon Age is the "Dark Age." I'd imagine that at the end of the Dragon Age, there would be a Renaissance.

A lot of high fantasy worlds, in order to not ruin the setting, don't have any progress at all.

Why not break that mold? Why give in to tradition and established tropes? BioWare seems to want to do something different; I got the impression Dragon Age is supposed to tell the story of, you know, an Age. I'd imagine things would change quite significantly throughout this Age, and that Thedas in the next Age would be a significantly different place.

[lv12medic]

I would like to see overall development and progress being made in Thedas over the course of the age. Even if individual firearms did start to show up at some point in the age, it'd be an age or two more before they are ever truly effective in combat. I would definitely like to see other developments though. A DaVinci, or Gailleao, or an Isaac Newton type figure showing up at some point might be fun. Maybe harnessing steam power? (though that may lead from dark fantasy to dark steampunk). Anyways, the only ones in Thedas that seem determined to progress technology in Thedas is the Dwarven smith caste. Humans are too busy killing and backstabbing each other and elves are either second-class type citizens or in scattered Dalish clans that keep looking to the past.

[Grommash94]

Batman90 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

There is a difference between the rapid-fire machine gun and the primitive blunderbluss (Which is already an established element in high fantasy fiction, so I don't see why the more conservative fans should complain if those became an option for weaponry).

Plus, there doesn't seem to have been much progress in terms of technology since the days of the Tevinter empire and now.

I like to think that the Tevinter Empire is the Roman Empire, and that the Dragon Age is the "Dark Age." I'd imagine that at the end of the Dragon Age, there would be a Renaissance.

A lot of high fantasy worlds, in order to not ruin the setting, don't have any progress at all.

Why not break that mold? Why give in to tradition and established tropes? BioWare seems to want to do something different; I got the impression Dragon Age is supposed to tell the story of, you know, an Age. I'd imagine things would change quite significantly throughout this Age, and that Thedas in the next Age would be a significantly different place.

But, its been more than 1000 years since the empire fell. A Dark Age surely cannot last that long.

I don't think many things change from Age to Age.  Not much has changed since the end of the Exalted Age, 30 something years ago, for example.

[Batman90]

Grommash94 wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

There is a difference between the rapid-fire machine gun and the primitive blunderbluss (Which is already an established element in high fantasy fiction, so I don't see why the more conservative fans should complain if those became an option for weaponry).

Plus, there doesn't seem to have been much progress in terms of technology since the days of the Tevinter empire and now.

I like to think that the Tevinter Empire is the Roman Empire, and that the Dragon Age is the "Dark Age." I'd imagine that at the end of the Dragon Age, there would be a Renaissance.

A lot of high fantasy worlds, in order to not ruin the setting, don't have any progress at all.

Why not break that mold? Why give in to tradition and established tropes? BioWare seems to want to do something different; I got the impression Dragon Age is supposed to tell the story of, you know, an Age. I'd imagine things would change quite significantly throughout this Age, and that Thedas in the next Age would be a significantly different place.

But, its been more than 1000 years since the empire fell. A Dark Age surely cannot last that long.

The Middle Ages, in the real world, lasted for ten centuries after the Roman Empire collapsed and before the Renaissance came.

With all the parallels there are between DA and European History, it seems that it's about time for a Renaissance to come along.

Modifié par Batman90, 24 juillet 2010 - 05:17 .

[Grommash94]

Batman90 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

There is a difference between the rapid-fire machine gun and the primitive blunderbluss (Which is already an established element in high fantasy fiction, so I don't see why the more conservative fans should complain if those became an option for weaponry).

Plus, there doesn't seem to have been much progress in terms of technology since the days of the Tevinter empire and now.

I like to think that the Tevinter Empire is the Roman Empire, and that the Dragon Age is the "Dark Age." I'd imagine that at the end of the Dragon Age, there would be a Renaissance.

A lot of high fantasy worlds, in order to not ruin the setting, don't have any progress at all.

Why not break that mold? Why give in to tradition and established tropes? BioWare seems to want to do something different; I got the impression Dragon Age is supposed to tell the story of, you know, an Age. I'd imagine things would change quite significantly throughout this Age, and that Thedas in the next Age would be a significantly different place.

But, its been more than 1000 years since the empire fell. A Dark Age surely cannot last that long.

The Middle Ages, in the real world, lasted for ten centuries after the Roman Empire collapsed and before the Renaissance came.

True. Still though, handarms and such would be just...out of place. Plus, swords are cooler....

[lv12medic]

Grommash94 wrote...
Plus, swords are cooler....

Swords also don't have the chance to explode in your face and they work when wet.  With all the blood spattering in Dragon Age, moisture can be a big reliability issue. 

[mllrthyme]

So if Thedas has a renaissance then they'll need to remember to blood-proof the firearms!

[BelSirk]

lv12medic wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
Plus, swords are cooler....

Swords also don't have the chance to explode in your face and they work when wet.  With all the blood spattering in Dragon Age, moisture can be a big reliability issue. 

however, the gunpowder and the most basic cannons are a lot of way of distance to reliable fireguns if not  Sten could have been a shooter instead  of a swordman , AND a fireball explode on your face and on your friend's face too

[Maverick827]

Isn't Hawke supposed to change the world in a major way? Maybe he sparks a Renaissance...

[lv12medic]

mllrthyme wrote...

So if Thedas has a renaissance then they'll need to remember to blood-proof the firearms!

Well... technically, if condoms exist in Thedas then they have a solution right there.  They're very effective at keeping dirt, grime, and water out of firearms.

Ahh... the true driving forces of progress, war and sex... they even go hand in hand sometimes (eg. DA:O, ME, ME2). :innocent:

[wickedwizzard01]

KLUME777 wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

I do believe you are correct in that Thedas is a continent and not the world. As far as a Chantry schism, I think they already had one and that's why there's a Black and White Divine if memory serves.

There are no gunpowder in DAO:huh:   tell me where


I would not like it if there are guns in DA3

***SPOILER ALERT***
Lyriumsand might be considered to be gunpowder 
in Awakening The Dwarf (i forgot his name) at the Vigils Keep uses it to blow up a bunch of darkspawn:mellow:

and i have to agree with you that i would not like it either if there would be guns in DA3

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:13 .

[mllrthyme]

lv12medic wrote...


Well... technically, if condoms exist in Thedas then they have a solution right there.  They're very effective at keeping dirt, grime, and water out of firearms.

Ahh... the true driving forces of progress, war and sex... they even go hand in hand sometimes (eg. DA:O, ME, ME2). :innocent:

Population control...in more ways than one!

[BelSirk]

lv12medic wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

So if Thedas has a renaissance then they'll need to remember to blood-proof the firearms!

Well... technically, if condoms exist in Thedas then they have a solution right there.  They're very effective at keeping dirt, grime, and water out of firearms.

Ahh... the true driving forces of progress, war and sex... they even go hand in hand sometimes (eg. DA:O, ME, ME2). :innocent:

condoms.. yes... BUT YOU DON=T WANT to KNOW from what were made on the Dark Age (and before that)

SPOILER!
And yes... the big kaboom were using Lyrium Sand.. mmm good point... then the Qunari don't know the gunpowder but instead learn to use the Lyrium with other uses than the most people on Thedas

Modifié par BelSirk, 24 juillet 2010 - 07:17 .

[Grommash94]

Maverick827 wrote...

Isn't Hawke supposed to change the world in a major way? Maybe he sparks a Renaissance...

I don't really think that that would make him the most important person in Thedas EVER. More than Andraste, more than any of the archons, more than Grey Wardens....