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Redcliffe, Llyod, Bella, & Tavern Ownership


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So I'm going a little crazy here, I really am.

In my first playthrough I remember being able to convince Llyod to give ownership to the Tavern to Bella, or at lease something along those lines. Maybe it was ownership to my Warden, and then my Warden gave it to Bella. Either way I known that Llyod was still alive and Bella owned the tavern.

I cannot, for the life of me, remember the correct dialogue combinations to get this to happen. I've done about 4 reloads now in an attempt to get it, but it's just not happening.

So, can anyone point me in the right direction here before I go insane?

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I always Intimidate him into fighting. That means Bella takes over the tavern. She'll become the new owner if Lloyd dies. Which he does easily.

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Yeah. While I've gotten that outcome it's not the one I'm looking for, though I may settle with it. I remember if you talk to him afterwards he says something bitterly along the lines of, "If you want something you need to talk to Bella now. You put her in charge after all."

This means that I probably need to take ownership of the Tavern myself first, I just don't recall how.

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Bella's nice.

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Lunarionsilver wrote...

Yeah. While I've gotten that outcome it's not the one I'm looking for, though I may settle with it. I remember if you talk to him afterwards he says something bitterly along the lines of, "If you want something you need to talk to Bella now. You put her in charge after all."
This means that I probably need to take ownership of the Tavern myself first, I just don't recall how.

If you intimidate him into fighting and he lives, Bella remains in charge for some reason.

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Llyod is easy to kill in the fight.



Just use an area spell, and never heal him and down he goes.

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DWSmiley wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Yeah. While I've gotten that outcome it's not the one I'm looking for, though I may settle with it. I remember if you talk to him afterwards he says something bitterly along the lines of, "If you want something you need to talk to Bella now. You put her in charge after all."
This means that I probably need to take ownership of the Tavern myself first, I just don't recall how.

If you intimidate him into fighting and he lives, Bella remains in charge for some reason.

That's always a wallbanger for me. Lloyd joins the militia to defend the town for one night and so Bella keeps the tavern open for that one night so the militia can still get drinks and that translates into Bella now runs the tavern forever? She should just be the employee keeping it open if the manager can't be there so is Lloyd really that stupid that he thinks leaving Bella to run things in his absense means it's hers? Did she steal the deed while he was off preparing for the attack? 

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Maybe no one else wanted to run the tavern?



If Llyod had no family or very close friends, then I doubt anyone is going to get angry that Bella is running it. Medival Laws werent overly clear on inheritance issues.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Maybe no one else wanted to run the tavern?

If Llyod had no family or very close friends, then I doubt anyone is going to get angry that Bella is running it. Medival Laws werent overly clear on inheritance issues.

But if he's not dead and you haven't found anything else for Bella to do then Lloyd now seems to work for her. Because she ran the place while he was busy helping defend everyone (including Bella) from a zombie apocalypse for one night. How does that make any sense at all? 

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Poorly Done Writing did it.



Or badly implimented coding, either works.



Maybe its just a bug who knows, or maybe Llyod got hit over the bean, and now thinks Bella is running the place.

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I always help Bella leave because I really resent her for stealing Lloyd's tavern (he might be a crap boss and a coward but he still owns the tavern and doesn't deserve to have it stolen) after he actually does something to benefit the town for once.

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At least he still the bartender.

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If Lloyd survives, then he goes back to the tavern and you can find Bella a new gig. That is always how it has played out for me. Although, he hasn't survived THAT much in my play throughs as he tends to run right at the first group of undead he sees and they eat his face.

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Patriciachr34 wrote...

If Lloyd survives, then he goes back to the tavern and you can find Bella a new gig. That is always how it has played out for me. Although, he hasn't survived THAT much in my play throughs as he tends to run right at the first group of undead he sees and they eat his face.

If you don't find Bella something else to do, she runs the tavern and Lloyd works for her. WTF? 

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Giggles probably has it right but if one wants to try to explain it, then maybe he's delusional after the terror and adrenaline rush of the fight. He does go from wuss to berserker. Or it's a bit of selective amnesia - he blurs the details of the previous day and night to avoid being haunted by memories of the undead almost eating his face. Either way, one could hardly blame Bella for taking advantage. And I'll bet the militia would happily back up whatever she claimed.

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You can't blame someone for stealing someone else's business?

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He's a greasy pig who groped her and paid minimum wage. I expect she'll treat him better.

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I always just knifed him in the face and gave the place to Bella.

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DWSmiley wrote...

He's a greasy pig who groped her and paid minimum wage. I expect she'll treat him better.

He's not a nice person, true, and he does pay her less than she feels she deserves and gropes her. Just the same, that doesn't mean it's okay for her to go steal his business.

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You have to talk to those three soldiers who want free ale. I don't remember the exact lines, but I know I asked Lloyd to give it to them and he refused, then I got an option to threaten him, the next words being something like "And would anyone miss you?" He gets so scared that he offers to pay you for protection. You can answer that you'll only protect something that you own, and voila, the tavern is yours. You can give it to Bella after the battle.

Modifié par Rosveen, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:16 .


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double post

Modifié par Rosveen, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:16 .


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Thats the only way to get Teagan to marry her in the epilouge I believe, Sine Llyod dying and her taking it dosent work.

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WHAT?! You can make Teagan marry Bella? Not in a single one of my playthroughs did that happen. How do you do this?

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If the Warden paid for Kaitlyn's sword enough to travel to Denerim she uses the small fortune to open a foundry. She becomes wealthy, respected, and meets Bann Teagan at court by chance. She marries him months after that.



If the Warden gives Bella enough money to leave Redcliffe, she eventually makes her way to Denerim safely where she opens her own brewery and meets Bann Teagan. She marries him months after that.



oops my bad, that was old data, You have to give either Kaitlyn or Bella the max you can to get them out.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

He's a greasy pig who groped her and paid minimum wage. I expect she'll treat him better.

He's not a nice person, true, and he does pay her less than she feels she deserves and gropes her. Just the same, that doesn't mean it's okay for her to go steal his business.

Okay, no.  Karma, yes.