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[Connect]

Hello, dear producers. Whenever I purchase a game, I have a weak spot. The DRM. Now, I really really congratulate you on your achievement of implementing disc checks only in Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening and Mass Effect 2.

I sincerely hope that this trend will continue for Dragon Age II (and Mass Effect 3, obviously) because you are my favourite gaming company and no others can match up to you in story telling, interactivity, choices and an all round excellent product that is leaps and bounds above the competition.

That's why, I (along with the rest of your fans, undoubtedly), wish to implore you to not abandon the offline disc check and to not go back to the Mass Effect 1 days. To me any form of online activation (even if it's a one time thing) is a deal breaker for a retail product. For the digital downloads I can understand, since you need to download it anyway. But please keep the retail games "put in the drive and play" with no strings attached, just like Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2. That was a very very welcomed decision and I have bought 2 copies of the PC version of Mass Effect 2 for that reason alone.

So is it fair to assume that the trend will continue? I know it's maybe a bit too early, but many shops have started taking pre-orders and I can't wait to give the green light to mine!

Modifié par Connect, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:53 .

[Ahzrei]

I don't believe they'll go back to DRM. Fans do not like it, and it hurts the bottom line because too many people aren't willing to put up with it. Obviously, I can't be certain about anything regarding DA2 at this point, but I wouldn't be too worried. You can always cancel your preorder if they decide to use online-activation.

For the record, I agree with you. When I buy a game, I expect to own that game. Not for 3 installations, or 5, but for however many I may need or want.

Modifié par Ahzrei, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:53 .

[Maverick827]

 Can you not delete posts?  Damn these forums are terrible.

Modifié par Maverick827, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:04 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Just use steam, anyone who doesn't like steam is a pirate, and probably aren't buying your products anyway, Steam is for winners, the best of the best.

[AntiChri5]

I dont know how you poor pc folks stand DRM.

[Rubbish Hero]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I dont know how you poor pc folks stand DRM.

It's not as bad as people make out, most of the people complaining are  just big drama queens who want to be a poor mans Gandhi, most likely in uni with all there other free thinking hipster friends trying to change the world with daffodils. They're actually more anoying than DRM.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:06 .

[hxx7y]

id say an idea would be bolt on DRM that functions for say 2 months after initial release (by method of checking the date on the internet) then disables itself and uninstalls itself.
OR
DRM that checks the date on the internet during the installation process and if a certian time has passed it will not longer install this however would require the installer for the DRM to be a seperate module than the game data (so that it can uninstall/ not install without cusing problems this of course would make it possibly the weakest DRM in the history of DRM.

Some games get thier DRM cracked within a couple of weeks(And others much to my dismay are leaked to pirates weeks before the release date and as a paying customer who then has to wait those weeks is something that fills me with rage)  and once its on the internet it stays there no need to continue to punish your honest customers to quote my personal hero Mr. Universe "you cant stop the signal"

Modifié par hxx7y, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:16 .

[Raziel0325]

With this i can agree, would be nice if it had the same DRM as ME2 and DA:O.

[Loerwyn]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

It's not as bad as people make out, most of the people complaining are  just big drama queens who want to be a poor mans Gandhi, most likely in uni with all there other free thinking hipster friends trying to change the world with daffodils. They're actually more anoying than DRM.

For once, I've got to agree with Rubbish Hero. I'm not a DRM supporter, but I'm yet to see the big problem with it. Yes, I've had a handful of games refuse to play 'cos of botched DRM (DarkStar One as an example), but it's never caused me hassle with any game worth playing.

Is putting the disc in really that hard?

[Rubbish Hero]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

It's not as bad as people make out, most of the people complaining are  just big drama queens who want to be a poor mans Gandhi, most likely in uni with all there other free thinking hipster friends trying to change the world with daffodils. They're actually more anoying than DRM.

For once, I've got to agree with Rubbish Hero. I'm not a DRM supporter, but I'm yet to see the big problem with it. Yes, I've had a handful of games refuse to play 'cos of botched DRM (DarkStar One as an example), but it's never caused me hassle with any game worth playing.

Is putting the disc in really that hard?

People act like Vietcong come in and burn rice fields and take woman.

[Raziel0325]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

It's not as bad as people make out, most of the people complaining are  just big drama queens who want to be a poor mans Gandhi, most likely in uni with all there other free thinking hipster friends trying to change the world with daffodils. They're actually more anoying than DRM.

For once, I've got to agree with Rubbish Hero. I'm not a DRM supporter, but I'm yet to see the big problem with it. Yes, I've had a handful of games refuse to play 'cos of botched DRM (DarkStar One as an example), but it's never caused me hassle with any game worth playing.

Is putting the disc in really that hard?

I have some bad experience with DRM, mainly with SecuRom, most games refuses to run, out of the box for me. Its a usuall problem that can be solved, but i would rather not download a crack for a game i just bought...

[gotthammer]

re: DRM
Yes: NO DRM please. Heck, if you could do away w/ any form of DRM AND disc checks, all the better. 
There are, for example, some UbiSoft games that I'd like to play, but won't, primarily due to DRM (particularly that 'you have to be online to play' thing: not everyone lives in a country w/ stable internet. I'm on a cable connection and even that goes on the fritz every so often, esp. during storms and the rainy season)

re: Steam
I dislike the service, actually, and only get games from them that I wouldn't want physical copies of (yeah. I like boxes, esp. nicely done Collector's/Ltd. editions). heck, if it weren't for the recent Steam sale, I wouldn't be using the service.

edit:
can't we go back to the 'good old days' where copy protection meant paper 'code wheels'? 
(hehehe, and 'cracking' the game meant photocopying the manual  *sigh*)

Modifié par gotthammer, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:19 .

[hxx7y]

gotthammer wrote...

re: DRM
Yes: NO DRM please. Heck, if you could do away w/ DRM AND disc checks, all the better.
There are, for example, some UbiSoft games that I'd like to play, but won't, primarily due to DRM (particularly that 'you have to be online to play' thing: not everyone lives in a country w/ stable internet. I'm on a cable connection and even that goes on the fritz every so often, esp. during storms and the rainy season)

re: Steam
I dislike the service, actually, and only get games from them that I wouldn't want physical copies of (yeah. I like boxes, esp. nicely done Collector's/Ltd. editions). heck, if it weren't for the recent Steam sale, I wouldn't be using the service.

you like discs and boxes too huh who'da thunk it

but srsly physical copys offer security that digital downloads will never match all it would take is a power surge in valves server room and i lose $1000+ worth of my property

[gotthammer]

hxx7y wrote...

you like discs and boxes too huh who'da thunk it

but srsly physical copys offer security that digital downloads will never match all it would take is a power surge in valves server room and i lose $1000+ worth of my property

Yeah. I kinda like the "stack o' games look". Plus I like reading a physical manual instead of a PDF. And some extras are nice, too (maps, art books, etc.)

more than $1k worth of Steam games? wow. hehe. I think I've spent less than $50 on them (and only on the recent Sale thing  )

[Rubbish Hero]

hxx7y wrote...but srsly physical copys offer security that digital downloads will never match all it would take is a power surge in valves server room and i lose $1000+ worth of my property

They should probably buy one of them special plugs off amazon.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:23 .

[Loerwyn]

hxx7y wrote...

but srsly physical copys offer security that digital downloads will never match all it would take is a power surge in valves server room and i lose $1000+ worth of my property

Someone doesn't know about the patch, then.

[Vulee94]

gotthammer wrote...

re: Steam
I dislike the service, actually, and only get games from them that I wouldn't want physical copies of (yeah. I like boxes, esp. nicely done Collector's/Ltd. editions). heck, if it weren't for the recent Steam sale, I wouldn't be using the service.

Yeah, hate the € = $

[hxx7y]

gotthammer wrote...

hxx7y wrote...

you like discs and boxes too huh who'da thunk it

but srsly physical copys offer security that digital downloads will never match all it would take is a power surge in valves server room and i lose $1000+ worth of my property

Yeah. I kinda like the "stack o' games look". Plus I like reading a physical manual instead of a PDF. And some extras are nice, too (maps, art books, etc.)

more than $1k worth of Steam games? wow. hehe. I think I've spent less than $50 on them (and only on the recent Sale thing  )

its not that much im australian so a new game is around  a $100 a pop

[KingRanger]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I dont know how you poor pc folks stand DRM.

It's not as bad as people make out, most of the people complaining are  just big drama queens who want to be a poor mans Gandhi, most likely in uni with all there other free thinking hipster friends trying to change the world with daffodils. They're actually more anoying than DRM.

Tell that to the people that want to buy Ubisoft games.

[Loerwyn]

KingRanger wrote...

Tell that to the people that want to buy Ubisoft games.

Do UbiSoft actually publish anything decent anymore?

[joriandrake]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I dont know how you poor pc folks stand DRM.

It's not as bad as people make out, most of the people complaining are  just big drama queens who want to be a poor mans Gandhi, most likely in uni with all there other free thinking hipster friends trying to change the world with daffodils. They're actually more anoying than DRM.

Bioshock and co, their DRm ruined my computer twice, was costy to get a new one, I hatred towards DRM is justified, and I bet I am not alone with this

[gotthammer]

Vulee94 wrote...

gotthammer wrote...

re: Steam
I dislike the service, actually, and only get games from them that I wouldn't want physical copies of (yeah. I like boxes, esp. nicely done Collector's/Ltd. editions). heck, if it weren't for the recent Steam sale, I wouldn't be using the service.

Yeah, hate the € = $

are you pointing out the Euro to US Dollar price conversion for their games? (I'm in Asia, btw, so I think I pay US prices when I get stuff from Steam)
Because that's not what I dislike about Steam. I just dislike the idea of a.) not having a physical copy, and b.) having something else running in the background (even if it's relatively small/negligible *shrugs*)
edit: it has it's 'perks' tho', like having a built-in browser where I can check stuff without having to alt + tab and potentially crashing a game is nice. 

I think I'd be actually sad if a time comes when all games are just digitally distributed. 
As I've mentioned I like well done packaging (ex.: Warhammer Online, while, IMHO, a not-so-good game, was well packaged and nice extras: hardbound graphic novel, hardbound art book, a warhammer fantasy miniature, and something else, I think...along w/ the rather BIG box. Another nicely done box was the one for the now-dead Tabula Rasa MMO: sure it was a standard cardboard box, but the presentation inside, as well as the contents were nice. Even the Dragon Age: Origins Collector's Edition I got was quite nice: the wooden box was nice, tho' the map could've been better)

Modifié par gotthammer, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:35 .

[Rubbish Hero]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

KingRanger wrote...

Tell that to the people that want to buy Ubisoft games.

Do UbiSoft actually publish anything decent anymore?

No.

[Chairon de Celeste]

Imho only an always on drm (digital rights management with a permanent internet conection as a requirement),
bundled with essential parts like saved games  and area unlocks only possible if stored on a publisher's
serverr would turn even da 2 into a retail store's dust collector.

The extremly mild variant within da o only frequently causes ctd and once the 5 (?)
reinstalls per ea account (wich may include replacing standard components like a
graphics card or transferring DA to a new pc after the old rack burnt down without
a setup driven reinstallation) EA support handles requests for additional re-activations
very reasonable.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:38 .