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[Artemis_Entrari]

Bruce Venne wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

I think it's reasonable to ask if DA2 is or isn't hack & slash and clarifying so is honest advertising.

The combat presented in the demo is an exaggerated fight.  The reason for it is story-driven.
We want DA2 to have faster, more responsive combat but DA2 will also have the kind of deep, rich and engaging story that BioWare has put into all of your other games.  We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

That didn't exactly address the hack & slash confirmation.

Instead, it kind of infers (by not denying or confirming the previous question) that the game WILL be hack & slash, but that it's a hack & slash with a great story.

[Johnny Shepard]

Bruce Venne wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

Aw, you made Bethany cry   Just don't make her angry, she is a mage.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the Hawkes.  You will still be able to shape your Hawke into the type of hero you want them to be.  And you will care about Bethany.  Trust me.  And if you don't trust me, then trust the writers.  They are doing an amazing job with this story.

That sounds great. I was wondering if Bethany was just in the beginning of the game or longer. This makes me think she will be in the game for the bigger part of it.

[AntiChri5]

Lyssistr wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...


Not accident, design.

Have you turned the difficulty down to the minimum in DA: O? Pretty hack n slash to me.

No I haven't, but still hard to believe it's a hack & slash game.

It requires less thought, planning, tactics or intelligence than brushing your teeth.

[Lyssistr]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...


Not accident, design.

Have you turned the difficulty down to the minimum in DA: O? Pretty hack n slash to me.

No I haven't, but still hard to believe it's a hack & slash game.

It requires less thought, planning, tactics or intelligence than brushing your teeth.

Sure it requires less of everything on less difficult modes. However DAO was never perceived by anyone that I know of, including (p)reviewers, as hack & slash. On the other hand, DA2 is called as a hack & slash by 1UP.

I don't have any problem with hack & slash games, but if DA2 is indeed hack & slash, think I'll skip - it's the sort of game I'd purchase for my turned based fix. Diablo III will be enough for all my hack & slash cravings.

[adi4444]

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why the hell improving combat???
improve the story the deatail the length of the game the deapth of the game..

why improve combat?
what the point??
 i dont understand is this game is hack and slash or no?
if yes i will prefer to buy diablo3 ....
if no pls say so

yes or no?
[/quote]

Because quite likely they felt the combat was the weakest area and needed the most improvement.

And it looks to me as if they ARE improving the story and detail.

Like it or not, combat is an essential part of a Bioware RPG.
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are you shore? cuse untill now this game look to me like a hack and slash game with some rpg elements in it.. and thats it!!,,,,if i want a hack and slash game with a great story  and combat..ill buy diablo 3...
were exacly they improve the story? the details? exept to make this game look like a cartoon..did they make this game more rich with more details? more long? more interacation between chars ? more  options? quests? thinking?
until now i dont think so...

[Faust1979]

[quote]adi4444 wrote...

[/quote]


why the hell improving combat???
improve the story the deatail the length of the game the deapth of the game..

why improve combat?
what the point??
 i dont understand is this game is hack and slash or no?
if yes i will prefer to buy diablo3 ....
if no pls say so

yes or no?
[/quote]

Because quite likely they felt the combat was the weakest area and needed the most improvement.

And it looks to me as if they ARE improving the story and detail.

Like it or not, combat is an essential part of a Bioware RPG.
[/quote]


are you shore? cuse untill now this game look to me like a hack and slash game with some rpg elements in it.. and thats it!!,,,,if i want a hack and slash game with a great story  and combat..ill buy diablo 3...
were exacly they improve the story? the details? exept to make this game look like a cartoon..did they make this game more rich with more details? more long? more interacation between chars ? more  options? quests? thinking?
until now i dont think so...[/quote]

you have only seen a few pictures of the game and we know next to nothing about the story or characters or quests.  The original dragon age the way it played on the console was a hack and slash and they already said that the pc version of dragon age 2 will have the same combat as the original.  I can say the same thing, if I want to play a tactical game I'll play civilization. 

[AntiChri5]

adi4444 wrote...
are you shore? cuse untill now this game look to me like a hack and slash game with some rpg elements in it.. and thats it!!,,,,if i want a hack and slash game with a great story  and combat..ill buy diablo 3...
were exacly they improve the story? the details? exept to make this game look like a cartoon..did they make this game more rich with more details? more long? more interacation between chars ? more  options? quests? thinking?
until now i dont think so...

The focus on a single "origin" allows them to make every moment as emotional as the conclusion of the threads left dangling by the Origins (CE return to the Alienage, DN revenge on Bhelen) with less moments where you completely miss out on the impact because you have a different origin. As cool as the Origins were, i cant help but feel they spread themselves a little thin.

[Lyssistr]

Faust1979 wrote...
  I can say the same thing, if I want to play a tactical game I'll play civilization. 

Civilization is not a tactical RPG, on the other hand, Diablo III will be a hack & slash RPG. If DA2 indeed falls in the same category it'd take a blind consumer not to compare games within the same subgenre.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 24 juillet 2010 - 07:18 .

[Faust1979]

AntiChri5 wrote...

adi4444 wrote...
are you shore? cuse untill now this game look to me like a hack and slash game with some rpg elements in it.. and thats it!!,,,,if i want a hack and slash game with a great story  and combat..ill buy diablo 3...
were exacly they improve the story? the details? exept to make this game look like a cartoon..did they make this game more rich with more details? more long? more interacation between chars ? more  options? quests? thinking?
until now i dont think so...

The focus on a single "origin" allows them to make every moment as emotional as the conclusion of the threads left dangling by the Origins (CE return to the Alienage, DN revenge on Bhelen) with less moments where you completely miss out on the impact because you have a different origin. As cool as the Origins were, i cant help but feel they spread themselves a little thin.

I have to agree the game largely plays the same despite what origin you chose. I was kinda dissapointed that with my dwarf noble character all those cool comments and looking down on everyone kinda dissapeared. My character got used to not being wealthy pretty quickly. The way my character acted in the origin would have a hard time adjusting.  I first played as an elf and I kept thinking that was awesome I can't wait to play as another character see how different it is! Dragon Age origins was an awesome game but I feel they spread themselves a little to think as well

[ImoenBaby]

Arttis wrote...

[Might wanna advertise that soon.

Why? Bioware could spend $100 million dollars on that very message, and a lot of people posting here would just plug their ears and start humming.

I think some posters really will not get over the wheel, or the human PC, or Hawke's name. The new combat system - of which we've only *seen* a glimpse, nevermind played - is somehow "dumbed down," part of an allegedly inferior experience.  Somehow, these changes will be antithetical to good story telling and game play. These people are blasting an unfinished, hidden game they've never played, and a company they only imagine they understand.  

Concern over unexpected changes is totally fair, if it's reasonable. I think if you really loved your Origins elf, or slower combat, then yeah, some of this early info might be disappointing, because you're not going to be playing the same awesome game next time around. Origins was beyond awesome. I don't DA2's changes should be written off for being different from what you absolutely loved the first time around. Sometimes new is awesome too - but the only way you'll actually know is by giving it a shot. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Bruce Venne wrote...

We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

But are you improving it at the expense of rich tactical combat?

[Chairon de Celeste]

Thread goes downhill and down south towards off-topic alert

Hence this is about the 1UP Dragon Age 2 Preview, it may be interesting
what a developer or a community manager has to say about it

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 24 juillet 2010 - 07:34 .

[Grommash94]

We do know that pausing is still possible. On the PC version, isometric view is still being discussed, apparently, but I don't see why they wouldn't include it.



We also know that the demo was ridiculously easy just to have Hawke's prowess exaggerated. So unless the entire game is going to be really easy and straightforward in terms of combat, I don't see how they are abandoning the tactical aspect of Dragon Age.

[flem1]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

Aw, you made Bethany cry   Just don't make her angry, she is a mage.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the Hawkes.  You will still be able to shape your Hawke into the type of hero you want them to be.  And you will care about Bethany.  Trust me.  And if you don't trust me, then trust the writers.  They are doing an amazing job with this story.

That sounds great. I was wondering if Bethany was just in the beginning of the game or longer. This makes me think she will be in the game for the bigger part of it.

It makes *me* think she'll be Imoen.  This is a good thing.

[Zhijn]

2papercuts wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

Aw, you made Bethany cry   Just don't make her angry, she is a mage.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the Hawkes.  You will still be able to shape your Hawke into the type of hero you want them to be.  And you will care about Bethany.  Trust me.  And if you don't trust me, then trust the writers.  They are doing an amazing job with this story.

I think the real question is if this is a hack & slash game, as claimed by the 1UP previewer. More specifically if it hack slash for all versions of DA2 (PC/console) or it's just that the console part that 1UP previewer played was easy enough to be hack & slashed, not requiring any micromanagement at all - but still boss fights need to be micromanaged & all that.

I very much liked all changes so far and have defended them in every single thread. However, if this is indeed a hack & slash game, you need to be honest about it and say so. If it isn't, considering previewers - who actually played a bit of the game, find it hack & slash, you need to argue why the picture they saw is partial and not representative of DA2. Personally, considering Diablo III is out soon, I'm not interested in another fantasy hack & slash game.

I think it's reasonable to ask if DA2 is or isn't hack & slash and clarifying so is honest advertising.

The combat presented in the demo is an exaggerated fight.  The reason for it is story-driven.
We want DA2 to have faster, more responsive combat but DA2 will also have the kind of deep, rich and engaging story that BioWare has put into all of your other games.  We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

um... is that a yes that is a hack & slash

My thought exactly.

Its all well your not doing anything on the expense of the story we know you got that covered as usual, but is DA2 a button smasher aka hack & slash now?. If yes then it really isnt an improvement, you just changed it to a combo slashing type of rpg we so often see.

[Lyssistr]

ImoenBaby wrote...

Arttis wrote...

[Might wanna advertise that soon.

Why? Bioware could spend $100 million dollars on that very message, and a lot of people posting here would just plug their ears and start humming.

I think some posters really will not get over the wheel, or the human PC, or Hawke's name. The new combat system - of which we've only *seen* a glimpse, nevermind played - is somehow "dumbed down," part of an allegedly inferior experience.  Somehow, these changes will be antithetical to good story telling and game play. These people are blasting an unfinished, hidden game they've never played, and a company they only imagine they understand.  

Concern over unexpected changes is totally fair, if it's reasonable. I think if you really loved your Origins elf, or slower combat, then yeah, some of this early info might be disappointing, because you're not going to be playing the same awesome game next time around. Origins was beyond awesome. I don't DA2's changes should be written off for being different from what you absolutely loved the first time around. Sometimes new is awesome too - but the only way you'll actually know is by giving it a shot. 

Things are more simple, 1UP previewer -who played it- says DA2 is hack & slash.  The only reply a Bioware person has given about if it is hack & slash or not, was that combat won't be at the expense of story, which does not deny 1UPs claims, that it could be hack & slash (I can think of a couple hack & slash games with story).

If the previewer is not full of bull, and indeed DA2 is a hack & slash it's a different type of game, not a tactical RPG. For that type of game I have my own reasons to purchase another game.

[Rogue Unit]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

But are you improving it at the expense of rich tactical combat?

Why can't it be that they're just improving the combat system?  You people assume that by making any changes or improvements the game will suffer in another area because of it.  Unless DA: O combat was perfect I can see where they can improve without trade-off.

[Grommash94]

Lyssistr wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

Arttis wrote...

[Might wanna advertise that soon.

Why? Bioware could spend $100 million dollars on that very message, and a lot of people posting here would just plug their ears and start humming.

I think some posters really will not get over the wheel, or the human PC, or Hawke's name. The new combat system - of which we've only *seen* a glimpse, nevermind played - is somehow "dumbed down," part of an allegedly inferior experience.  Somehow, these changes will be antithetical to good story telling and game play. These people are blasting an unfinished, hidden game they've never played, and a company they only imagine they understand.  

Concern over unexpected changes is totally fair, if it's reasonable. I think if you really loved your Origins elf, or slower combat, then yeah, some of this early info might be disappointing, because you're not going to be playing the same awesome game next time around. Origins was beyond awesome. I don't DA2's changes should be written off for being different from what you absolutely loved the first time around. Sometimes new is awesome too - but the only way you'll actually know is by giving it a shot. 

Things are more simple, 1UP previewer -who played it- says DA2 is hack & slash.  The only reply a Bioware person has given about if it is hack & slash or not, was that combat won't be at the expense of story, which does not deny 1UPs claims, that it could be hack & slash (I can think of a couple hack & slash games with story).

If the previewer is not full of bull, and indeed DA2 is a hack & slash it's a different type of game, not a tactical RPG. For that type of game I have my own reasons to purchase another game.

But it has already been stated that the demo was horribly easy on purpose. I really, really doubt that BioWare would just throw away the rich combat system of DA:O and make it as generic as many other rpgs out there. I guess all we can do is wait until someone gives a straight answer.

[Lyssistr]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

But are you improving it at the expense of rich tactical combat?

Why can't it be that they're just improving the combat system?  You people assume that by making any changes or improvements the game will suffer in another area because of it.  Unless DA: O combat was perfect I can see where they can improve without trade-off.

This is the 1UP thread, the 1UP previewer didn't say he saw improvements in tactical combat, he said he saw a hack & slash game.

[RogueWriter3201]

With all do respect to the OP (who I actually *do respect deeply) and 1.UP, as well as everyone jumping on the, "Let's find something else to complain about," bandwagon...come on! This is BioWare we're talking about folks. Now, no matter how you slice it, I'm going to come off as a die-hard BW fan-boi; and, for the most part, I am. However, even I'm open minded enough to spot elements that may concern me when it comes to any game developer or IP that I love. Case in point, I'm a huge Star Wars nerd (epically) however, I don't love *everything* that is Star Wars, especially in games. The Force Unleashed? Terrible. Bland story, horrible game mechanics. The same can be said for many other games that have delved into that universe.

What's different about BioWare and their IPs? They *never* dropped the Ball. And, no, bugs and patches don't count. Show me a game that's bug free in this day and age. On top of that, when you have a game as massive is scope, across multiple plantforms, as Dragon Age or Mass Effect, you're going to have hiccups. However, when you look at the core of both IPs, what you get is something fairly stunning in the best ways possible.  

Despite the complaints people have had, despite all the hate shown when both Mass Effect first popped on the scene and even when Origins first made it's appearence, people have always appeared after the fact to relent and recognize that both games were incredible experiences, either via story, mechanics, or both. You can gripe and moan again and again (as I'm sure you'll continue to do so after this) but the fact is BioWare has Always delivered on their promises. Will DA2 look different? We know it does. Will people come to dig the knew look? Some say they don't, but BioWare's skills at visual charm will work it's magic as it always does. People hated the look of DAO, calling it dated. Now? People are saying DAO looked better and this new engine looks "Cartoony," Who wants to bet this cycle will repeat itself for DA3? "Why change the graphics?! DA2 looks way better!" As to combat? Again, we've been down this road before. BioWare changes combat, as they did for ME2 and people crawl out of woodworks to decry it as "Gears of Mass Effect," However, after release, people are loving it, and the weapons, and so on. As for Story? If I even *have* to defend BioWare's storytelling to anyone of you, than you *don't* belong on this Forum or anywhere near a BioWare IP. End of Story.

The fact is, people need to stop trying to pick apart every little thing, or take the word of a gaming media reviewer you might not exactly be in the unbiased frame of mind a *good* reviewer is supposed to be in. Something tells me sir is very much in the "What can I complain about today?" mindset that many of you seem to be. It goes without saying that with all the incredible experiences BioWare has given us, with all the successes BioWare has had with all of it's IPs and even shared licenses, I think they've damn well Earned out Trust at this point. Stop trying to find reasons to hate Dragon Age 2 just because it didn't turn out to be the sequel so many of you pictured in your heads. Even if it isn't what you imagined in your Mind's Eye this is Still BioWare, and what they give us will no doubt surpass every expectation as they always have.

Should it come to pass that the game releases and there are small details people want changed, than I'm sure the Mod community will step up. As for the console gamers, even if small add ons can not be made, what we will gain as a core experience will be nothing short of amazing, just as DAO was. So, for the Love of Pete, people, please stop trying to find things to hate and just TRUST. And don't feed in to those who start rolling this anger ball down the hill because they want others to share in their misery. Again, BioWare deserves better than what many of you have shown them thus far. 

[Lyssistr]

Grommash94 wrote...

But it has already been stated that the demo was horribly easy on purpose. I really, really doubt that BioWare would just throw away the rich combat system of DA:O and make it as generic as many other rpgs out there. I guess all we can do is wait until someone gives a straight answer.

I'll wait for full reviews & youtube gameplay videos. If 1UP previewer is right and it's a hack & slash I'll skip, if he's wrong because the sample he played is too small,- and DA2 is then a tactical RPG- I'll buy it.

[Rogue Unit]

Lyssistr wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

But are you improving it at the expense of rich tactical combat?

Why can't it be that they're just improving the combat system?  You people assume that by making any changes or improvements the game will suffer in another area because of it.  Unless DA: O combat was perfect I can see where they can improve without trade-off.

This is the 1UP thread, the 1UP previewer didn't say he saw improvements in tactical combat, he said he saw a hack & slash game.

And you believe every word and previewer or reviewer says? BioWare said they made the preview easy on purpose thats probably why he was running through enemies "hacking and slashing." Im not saying believe everthing BioWare tells you either Im saying wait to judge for yourself.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 24 juillet 2010 - 07:42 .

[Grommash94]

Lyssistr wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Bruce Venne wrote...

We are improving the combat, but not at the expense of the story.

But are you improving it at the expense of rich tactical combat?

Why can't it be that they're just improving the combat system?  You people assume that by making any changes or improvements the game will suffer in another area because of it.  Unless DA: O combat was perfect I can see where they can improve without trade-off.

This is the 1UP thread, the 1UP previewer didn't say he saw improvements in tactical combat, he said he saw a hack & slash game.

To be fair, the combat in the different Origins wasn't all that tactical or difficult either. And the combat was made easy on purpose, as has already been stated.

[AlanC9]

Lyssistr wrote...
This is the 1UP thread, the 1UP previewer didn't say he saw improvements in tactical combat, he said he saw a hack & slash game.

He also says he was looking at the XBox version. So the combat change isn't relevant for us, unless the Bio devs were simply lying when they said that the combat changes were for the consoles.