David Gaider wrote...
Kordaris wrote...
Certainly many people believe by now that choosing elf or dwarf and person of non-Hawk surname would benefit their gameplay experience.
People believe that cloaks and horses would benefit their gameplay experience, too. It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get them.
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#401
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:41
#402
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:41
David Gaider wrote...
Passivehate wrote...
Though I have a query that needs answering. Are these changes, such as the VO and dialog wheel things that will be present in all future games? Or is the answer based on how well DA2 is received?
We're not locked into anything. If people-- and by that I mean all people, not just the ones who hang out on these forums-- really dislike our changes then the game will do poorly and we will have to go back to the drawing board. Even if it does well, however (as DAO did), doesn't preclude the possibility that we will want to experiment and iterate on what we thought worked and what didn't.In addition, Mr. Gaider, have you ever had the pleasure of playing Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne? I found it to be the closest thing to poetry that I've found in the world of gaming. As such, I'd be curious as to your opinion.
I played Persona 3, but I don't think that's the one you're referring to. There are certain aspects of storytelling in JRPG's that I have difficulty getting past (primarily the uniquitous juvenile hero, but there are other things as well) that make it hard for me to enjoy such a game. That said, I thought it did some things quite well. That's probably not Nocturne, but unless it's radically different from Persona 3 I don't think I'd try it again.
I understand completely. Persona 3 was a branch off of the main series that was made more as a test than anything else. I enjoyed it a bit, but it is immensely different than Nocturne. In Nocturne, the world ends with the conception. After this, you are one of the few surviving humans in a world filled with demons. The world that is created is quite bleak. Though if you don't have any desire to play it, I wouldn't fault you. Each individual has their own preferences.
More importantly, I must express that I am grateful for your reply.
#403
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:42
tmp7704 wrote...
This got quite muddled in ME2 but think its still the gist of it there, hitting a line on right part of wheel moves you on to new set of choices (or ends the conversation) with no way to get back, hitting options on the left generally doesn't but has Shepard get some details and then automatically returns to the same conversation spot.
From description of DA2 wheel you toggle between investigation and back manually at any stage, and the E spoke sometimes moves conversation forward and sometimes it doesn't, depending which mode you happen to be in. Granted though, it'll happen with the toggle approach too.
If you are able to move back like mr Gaider said then maybe we can select the first option of what was said again.
#404
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:42
tmp7704 wrote...
Does it mean, no cloaks?David Gaider wrote...
People believe that cloaks and horses would benefit their gameplay experience, too. It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get them.
If so, excellent
Well based on the Comic Con stuff, the sexy Flemeth has a cloth like train on her outfit that flutters around in the wind. So maybe thats a precursor to awesome cloak action?!
#405
Guest_Kordaris_*
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:43
Guest_Kordaris_*
Right now the game engages me(and others evidently) in negative way by forcing me to play an ulikeable character with unlikeable name Hawke. So I would say that varied choices would help in gameplay experience.MonkMorkins wrote...
But does that benefit the narrative experience? Arguably, it spreads the narrative thin and makes the process of emotionally engaging you in the story of the character that much more difficult.
For pure narrative I would watch a video or read a book.
#406
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:43
#407
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:43
#408
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:44
Brockololly wrote...
tmp7704 wrote...
Does it mean, no cloaks?David Gaider wrote...
People believe that cloaks and horses would benefit their gameplay experience, too. It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get them.
If so, excellent
Well based on the Comic Con stuff, the sexy Flemeth has a cloth like train on her outfit that flutters around in the wind. So maybe thats a precursor to awesome cloak action?!
cloak DLC for 50$
#409
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:44
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
If that picture is of Flemeth around the time where the Warden has meetings with her. Her looking like that creates a massive plot hole
Perhaps Flemeth's appearance differs to those looking upon her and reflects their psyche?
#410
Guest_Kordaris_*
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:45
Guest_Kordaris_*
Saibh wrote...
ME2 did some pretty big overhauls of ME1, and it still did excellently, despite pre-release protests.
I bought ME2 as well on the success of ME1. I expected the similiar experience but with much more main and side- plot and better graphics.
I got a shooter instead. At the end I fought a terminator-like enemy similiar to enemies from arcade games from 80s and 90s.
I will not buy ME3.
#411
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:46
anyway, Biowae should really pick some info on the game that every RPG would enjoy (ergo no mention of Mass Effect or "action"), to calm us down a bit
Modifié par joriandrake, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:49 .
#412
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:49
I hope not. iBrockololly wrote...
Well based on the Comic Con stuff, the sexy Flemeth has a cloth like train on her outfit that flutters around in the wind. So maybe thats a precursor to awesome cloak action?!
#413
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:50
tmp7704 wrote...
I hope not. iBrockololly wrote...
Well based on the Comic Con stuff, the sexy Flemeth has a cloth like train on her outfit that flutters around in the wind. So maybe thats a precursor to awesome cloak action?!the Incredibles for rightly mocking this awful, awful fashion fetish
that was about heroes, not a medieval setting, and cloaks are cool, even today
#414
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:50
Kordaris wrote...
Saibh wrote...
ME2 did some pretty big overhauls of ME1, and it still did excellently, despite pre-release protests.
I bought ME2 as well on the success of ME1. I expected the similiar experience but with much more main and side- plot and better graphics.
I got a shooter instead. At the end I fought a terminator-like enemy similiar to enemies from arcade games from 80s and 90s.
I will not buy ME3.
You are not the entire gaming market. Why is it that you seem to insist that you and the small minority of people who hate the game based on the most inconsequential things represent the entire market as a whole? You did not like ME2--you probably won't like DA2. But, you know, that doesn't change the facts that ME2 still did well, critically and fiscally. So why should the devs listen to your argument that all of these changes are going to lead to ruin?
Modifié par Saibh, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:51 .
#415
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:51
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
If that picture is of Flemeth around the time where the Warden has meetings with her. Her looking like that creates a massive plot hole
She is a shapeshifter. She has been known to shift into multiple human forms. And here is Mary Kirby's take on Flemeth, FWIW:
Mary Kirby wrote..
She's a thousand-year-old abomination, a shapeshifter who, according to legend (and according to the grimoire you give Morrigan) seduces mortal men in order to get herself more daughters. Her daughters are reputed to be able to kill men with fear. She's both a seductress and a hag. She played up the hag aspect for the Warden, "Oh, never mind me, I'm just a crazy old bat who saved your life! Go on your quest and take my daughter with you! I'm sure nothing terrible could come from that..." But just because the Warden only saw her as the hag, doesn't mean that's all she was...
If her appearance is when the Hawkes are escaping Lothering, its presumably before the Warden could have killed her, if the Warden even did. But yeah, if her appearance in DA2 is supposed to be after the Warden could have possibly killed her... well yeah, she seems to have gotten better:whistle:
Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:51 .
#416
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:51
Unlikeable character?Kordaris wrote...
Right now the game engages me(and others evidently) in negative way by forcing me to play an ulikeable character with unlikeable name Hawke. So I would say that varied choices would help in gameplay experience.MonkMorkins wrote...
But does that benefit the narrative experience? Arguably, it spreads the narrative thin and makes the process of emotionally engaging you in the story of the character that much more difficult.
For pure narrative I would watch a video or read a book.
1) We don't REALLY know that much about Hawke as a character.
2) As far as I have seen(and based on what David has said) you pretty much shape who Hawke is as a character through your choices in the game.
3) If it is because of how he looks, I am PRETTY SURE that you can change that...
4) Hawke is just a name. If that seriously drives you over the edge and makes you not want to play the game, then ... Wow.... I don't really know how to respond.
Modifié par MonkMorkins, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .
#417
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:51
spoilers:Onyx Jaguar wrote...
If that picture is of Flemeth around the time where the Warden has meetings with her. Her looking like that creates a massive plot hole
don't you know the legend of the witch of the wild? (or whatever) flemeth can take other peoples bodies. that's how she has lived so long. flemeth prefers to raise girls into powerful mage daughters, but since morrigan was fond of her body, flemeth is forced to find a new vessel. flemeth can probably steal any body, but she prefers/benefits best by taking the body of a powerful mage so that she doesn't have to relearn all her magic, making the body transition faster way to old power.., hence she raised daughters to learn magic. so maybe flemeth had another daughter or powerful mage laying around that she did a body snatch with, hence in da2 she is not the old hag she was in dao, cause she stole another mages body.
#418
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:53
#419
Guest_Kordaris_*
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:54
Guest_Kordaris_*
MonkMorkins wrote...
We don't REALLY know that much about Hawke as a character.
We know he has a predetermined backstory, we know he has a predetermined race, we know he fled the Blight, we know he is a villager, we know he comes from Hawke family.
A very unfitting one as noted by several people.Hawke is just a name.
#420
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:55
Kordaris wrote...
Right now the game engages me(and others evidently) in negative way by forcing me to play an ulikeable character with unlikeable name Hawke. So I would say that varied choices would help in gameplay experience.
For pure narrative I would watch a video or read a book.
Unlikeable, how the hell can you make that assessment now? OK so go read a book and stop boring us with inane criticisms with no foundation in reality.
#421
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:56
Kordaris wrote...
MonkMorkins wrote...
We don't REALLY know that much about Hawke as a character.
We know he has a predetermined backstory, we know he has a predetermined race, we know he fled the Blight, we know he is a villager, we know he comes from Hawke family.A very unfitting one as noted by several people.Hawke is just a name.
Do we know his back story is pre-determined?, source?
#422
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:56
A very unfitting one as noted by several people.
rofl, is your name unfitting? I guess I thought mine was since i actually changed my last name. Saying its an "unfitting" name is such a bizarre thing to say
"Andrew Jackson... you don't look like a Jackson..."
#423
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:56
Bobad wrote...
Kordaris wrote...
MonkMorkins wrote...
We don't REALLY know that much about Hawke as a character.
We know he has a predetermined backstory, we know he has a predetermined race, we know he fled the Blight, we know he is a villager, we know he comes from Hawke family.A very unfitting one as noted by several people.Hawke is just a name.
Do we know his back story is pre-determined?, source?
No, we don't.
#424
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:58
4) Hawke is just a name. If that seriously drives you over the edge and makes you not want to play the game, then ... Wow.... I don't really know how to respond.
We're going to hear the name ''Hawke'' several times......so a better/more original name would have been a good idea.
#425
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 01:58
Grommash94 wrote...
Bobad wrote...
Kordaris wrote...
MonkMorkins wrote...
We don't REALLY know that much about Hawke as a character.
We know he has a predetermined backstory, we know he has a predetermined race, we know he fled the Blight, we know he is a villager, we know he comes from Hawke family.A very unfitting one as noted by several people.Hawke is just a name.
Do we know his back story is pre-determined?, source?
No, we don't.
We do, developers never claimed it otherwise and talk about this as if it is obvious





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