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[Grommash94]

Marionetten wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The addition of a VO, a dialogue wheel, and a single "origin" is the only thing anyone who compares it to Mass Effect is really going on, and we've yet to see it in action. No one - even myself - has enough information to make a proper judgment on this game yet.

So your suggestion is to wait until it's too late to complain to actually complain?

It's not just us irrational fanboys raging at the direction of Dragon Age 2. Mainstream sites like 1UP and Eurogamer are doing it too. Doesn't this tell you that something is off?

They also call darkspawn orcs and goblins.

[MoSa09]

Calla S wrote...


We also know that we'll be single-handedly shaping said "one character" into something entirely our own. Our choices will even be more poignant, as they're not only going by what happens when all is said and done, but your characters motives behind their actions. 

Seriously, drop this "oh god oh god we only have one origin and it's a peasant this game is going to suck" nonsense. You don't know enough to make these judgments.

Good one. So jumping on negative information and concluding the game will be bad is nonsense. Jumping on the tiny bits of information we get and conclude that they indeed they will turn out to shape that one character into our own, contrary to what others fear, our choices will be poignat and concluding the game will be fine is alright?

Either, we have too less information, than we can't conclude anything. Or we have enough to make conclusions, than both are allowed. But simply saying believing the negative peices of information and get to neative conclusions is nonsense while believing in the posititive informations and get get to positive conclusions is just fine is nonsense as well.

Modifié par MoSa09, 24 juillet 2010 - 05:04 .

[Calla S]

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...


We also know that we'll be single-handedly shaping said "one character" into something entirely our own. Our choices will even be more poignant, as they're not only going by what happens when all is said and done, but your characters motives behind their actions. 

What haping? He is human. I cant change that into elf or dwarf race. He is a peasant-that's a fact. Can't change that either. I can't change his dumb name of "Hawke" into something else-in DA2 I had seven choices for surname.

Seriously, drop this "oh god oh god we only have one origin and it's
a peasant this game is going to suck" nonsense.

Really? So where is our dwarven character, where is our elven character? Where is a character named somethign else than the "Hawke" ? Already player's choices have been limited. And what other origin other than Hawke do you see? Point it and than you can say that it is nonsense that there is only one origin.

Wait, you're human, right? I'm human. Everyone (or, mostly everyone) on this board is human. Are we all alike? No, we aren't. (This is so blatantly obvious right now it hurts, in fact.) Just because you have something about playing as a human doesn't mean that we won't be able to shape our personal Hawke's personality.

Also, I feel like I keep saying the same things when commenting back at you. Is it because you're making the same complaints? Thiiiis is very possible.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Hawke will not be Shepard. He will be be 'your character' and you will be able to shape him into what you want.

Can I shape him into an dwarf, elf, a person that is not from a village and is not named Hawke? 
I thought so.

So? Play the Fallout series, or the KOTORs. Defined roles are not new in RPGs, nor are they as bad as everyone seems to make them out to be.

BioWare wanted to tell the story of Hawke, who is human, but is also allowing us to shape him.

[Calla S]

MoSa09 wrote...
Good one. So jumping on negative information and concluding the game will be bad is nonsense. Jumpint on the tiny pits of information we get and conclude that they indeed they will turn out to shape that one character into our own, contrary to what others fear, our choices will be poignat and concluding the game will be fine is alright?

Either, we have too less information, than we can't conclude anything. Or we have enough to make conclusions, than both are allowed. But simply saying believing the negative peices of information and get to neative conclusions is nonsense while believing in the posititive informations and get get to positive conclusions is just fine is nonsense as well.

I've already said that my own personal opinion means peanuts considering how little we know.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The addition of a VO, a dialogue wheel, and a single "origin" is the only thing anyone who compares it to Mass Effect is really going on, and we've yet to see it in action. No one - even myself - has enough information to make a proper judgment on this game yet.

So your suggestion is to wait until it's too late to complain to actually complain?

It's not just us irrational fanboys raging at the direction of Dragon Age 2. Mainstream sites like 1UP and Eurogamer are doing it too. Doesn't this tell you that something is off?

They also call darkspawn orcs and goblins.

In all likelyhood it could be Bioware marketing calling them so, in order to not to confuse their new target, who might be confused by exotic names.

But GameInformer got it right. I really doubt BioWare would discount their lore like that.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


So? Play the Fallout series, or the KOTORs. Defined roles are not new in RPGs, nor are they as bad as everyone seems to make them out to be.
 

Funny I seem to remember a game which was brilliant because it allowed numerous PC to be played with their own unique backstories. It was called Dragon Age.

Unique backstories, sure. But you wound up doing the same thing in the end; ending the Blight. That will not be the case here with Hawke, where you can rise to power in VARIOUS ways,

Its a fair trade, imo.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Wait, you're human, right? I'm human. Everyone (or, mostly everyone) on this board is human. Are we all alike? No, we aren't

Actually we are very much alike, one of the reasons why I like to play fantasy games-in order to play elves or dwarfs.

Just because you have something about playing as a human doesn't mean that we won't be able to shape our personal Hawke's personality.

Why am I forced to play one character when I could play several in Dragon Age? Thus allowing me to choose one I like the most.

Well, there could be various lore reasons. Maybe Hawke does something that just wouldn't make sense for Elves/Dwarves to do.

Also, it could just be that BioWare wanted to tell the story of one person who did whatever you wanted him to do. It isn't  a new concept in rpgs, like I said.

Now, if you aren't willing to give it a chance, very well, it is your choice. But, imo, you shouldn't really discount Hawke either.

[Lataaja00]

I wonder why they show only how console version works. Is the new DA primarily developed for consoles this time? If it is worth buying for my PC (I’m not a console player), I would like to have some info about that version too.



I hope that the developing of the game mainly for consoles won’t make PC combat boring and too simple (tactically speaking) compared to DA:O. If things are how I fear, it might be that this time PC version will get low scores on reviews…

[Calla S]

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Wait, you're human, right? I'm human. Everyone (or, mostly everyone) on this board is human. Are we all alike? No, we aren't

Actually we are very much alike, one of the reasons why I like to play fantasy games-in order to play elves or dwarfs.

You do realize the only difference between humans, elves, and dwarves is appearance, right? Everyone has the ability to have the same quirks and flaws. So basically your only argument is that you're ticked off you can't be super short or have pointy ears.

Also, Hawke has a sister, Bethany. It'd throw up some major flags if you were a dwarf with a human sister.

Modifié par Calla S, 24 juillet 2010 - 05:05 .

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
Unique backstories, sure. But you wound up doing the same thing in the end; ending the Blight. That will not be the case here with Hawke, where you can rise to power in VARIOUS ways,

I care nothing for a person named Hawke. Why should I care for a peasant from a small village?

There is nothing that says he is from Lothering, actually. For all we know his background could be left ambigious.

[Brockololly]

At the same time though, look at what just happened with inFamous 2- the devs there released footage and art of the re-designed protagonist Cole and the reaction was a solid "WTF?" People reacted based on limited information on how he looked and many didn't like the redesign.

Sure enough, the devs at Sucker Punch announced the other day they would ditch the redesign based on player feedback and retool Cole so he was more in line with the original version.


My point is, if BioWare is going to start marketing DA2 and drip feeding us info, its only logical for us as fans to react to the info we're given, no matter how limited. When more info becomes available we'll react to that too. At the end of the day its the onus of BioWare to present DA2 in a favorable light- if they want to drip feed ho-hum screens and less than stellar third party reports on the combat via exclusive demos, thats their choice and if I get a bad impression of the game from that, thats BioWare's job to correct.

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 juillet 2010 - 05:07 .

[fchopin]

Grommash94 wrote...
That will not be the case here with Hawke, where you can rise to power in VARIOUS ways,

Where did you hear this from? the various ways.

[Grommash94]

There aren't many RPGs that do anything new. DA1 did very little that was 'new'. And, I get it...you don't care for a peasant named Hawke. It doesn't change the fact that BioWare has made the choice though. If you don't like it, let your wallet talk, and don't buy it or play it. If enough people do that, then DA3 will probably be different.

[_Infiltrator]

Sounds repulsive to me.

[andar91]

He's talking about the console versions. As the developers said before, the gameplay is significantly different between the versions now so that the consoles' version plays to the consoles' strengths. I have a feeling the PC version will be much different.

[Grommash94]

fchopin wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
That will not be the case here with Hawke, where you can rise to power in VARIOUS ways,

Where did you hear this from? the various ways.

Mary Kirby said something along those lines in a different thread...I'll try and dig up the link.

[joriandrake]

Grommash94 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


So? Play the Fallout series, or the KOTORs. Defined roles are not new in RPGs, nor are they as bad as everyone seems to make them out to be.
 

Funny I seem to remember a game which was brilliant because it allowed numerous PC to be played with their own unique backstories. It was called Dragon Age.

Unique backstories, sure. But you wound up doing the same thing in the end; ending the Blight. That will not be the case here with Hawke, where you can rise to power in VARIOUS ways,

Its a fair trade, imo.

hmm

joriandrake wrote...

because the other thread got locked, I
gonna rescue m comment about the issue with the single origin, as there
are people who don't realize this is a step back anbd why it takes
away  from immersion and the illusion of variation that added to the
replayability of DA1

the main issue is the background all were different, now we have a
single origin, with Hawke, a peasant who fled his village, you can't
even decide your origin to the point that you were the son of the smith,
rich daughter of the merchant, or an orphan sholar at the Chantry

What exactly will not be the case with Hawke? Except the fact that you can't costumize his race and have one of multiple origins?

the Warden had to stop the Blight, it was done by gathering various means/allies to succeed
Hawke will become a damn important person who will rise to power in probably various ways

" you wound up doing the same thing in the end"