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[emp2bilqis]

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[joriandrake]

emp2bilqis wrote...

cek

what?

[Calla S]

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

You do realize the only difference between humans, elves, and dwarves is appearance, right?

Excuse me but what?! Do you seriously believe humans elves and dwarfs are the same creatures only with different looks. They have different history, culture, personalities and goals in life. They are extremely different from each other.

So basically your only argument is that you're ticked off you can't be super short or have pointy ears.

I feel sorry if you really don't realise how rich background each of those races has.

Also, Hawke has a sister, Bethany. It'd throw up some major flags if you were a dwarf with a human sister.

I don't care for a peasant human female Bethany(sounds like Botany Bay or something really).
And really what kind of problem is it? She wouldn't be a sister of my character.

The lore is different between the races, yes. I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment on the "rich background" on each of the races, but the limited level of customization you can have between characters. Hawke's personality and the way he or she rises to power is the main focal point here, not how things might've been different if he'd been born in the Deep Roads or an outcast Dalish or whatever the developers thought up.

And I hate to point it out to you, but Beth's going to be Hawke's sister whether you like it or not.

[MoSa09]

Calla S wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...
Good one. So jumping on negative information and concluding the game will be bad is nonsense. Jumpint on the tiny pits of information we get and conclude that they indeed they will turn out to shape that one character into our own, contrary to what others fear, our choices will be poignat and concluding the game will be fine is alright?

Either, we have too less information, than we can't conclude anything. Or we have enough to make conclusions, than both are allowed. But simply saying believing the negative peices of information and get to neative conclusions is nonsense while believing in the posititive informations and get get to positive conclusions is just fine is nonsense as well.

I've already said that my own personal opinion means peanuts considering how little we know.

Without any personal offense intended (and if i did, i apologize right here): why then are you frantically defending BioWare and DA 2?

BioWare wanted to the people to anxiously wait, holding their breath, for any news about DA 2. They chose this piecemeal approach, and people complaining as well as celebrating every tiny bit of information is part of the deal. People have every right to do so both ways. They might turn out wrong, possibly even both groups, but until then, everyone is free to say what he/she likes (in a reasonable manner that is). If you don't know enough yourself, you can't prove them wrong so you cannot forbid them to tell their opinion, even if you privetely believe its complete nonsense.

And besides, telling an internet community to stop is like telling a hurricane to slow down quickly or face the consequences:D

[Calla S]

MoSa09 wrote...

Calla S wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...
Good one. So jumping on negative information and concluding the game will be bad is nonsense. Jumpint on the tiny pits of information we get and conclude that they indeed they will turn out to shape that one character into our own, contrary to what others fear, our choices will be poignat and concluding the game will be fine is alright?

Either, we have too less information, than we can't conclude anything. Or we have enough to make conclusions, than both are allowed. But simply saying believing the negative peices of information and get to neative conclusions is nonsense while believing in the posititive informations and get get to positive conclusions is just fine is nonsense as well.

I've already said that my own personal opinion means peanuts considering how little we know.

Without any personal offense intended (and if i did, i apologize right here): why then are you frantically defending BioWare and DA 2?

BioWare wanted to the people to anxiously wait, holding their breath, for any news about DA 2. They chose this piecemeal approach, and people complaining as well as celebrating every tiny bit of information is part of the deal. People have every right to do so both ways. They might turn out wrong, possibly even both groups, but until then, everyone is free to say what he/she likes (in a reasonable manner that is). If you don't know enough yourself, you can't prove them wrong so you cannot forbid them to tell their opinion, even if you privetely believe its complete nonsense.

And besides, telling an internet community to stop is like telling a hurricane to slow down quickly or face the consequences:D

Ooh, see, that I've tried. Doesn't work. I really should learn from my mistakes and move on, hm? 

I'm frantically defending BioWare and DA2 because I'm attempting to be some leveling voice of reason. It's sad when this "voice of reason" ends up sounding more like a rabid fangirl of some sort, but hey. Desperate times. I'll happily admit that I've had my moments of doubt since the very beginning (hell, I still get them!), but I do trust BioWare to give me a gratifying RPG experience, even if it's slightly less old school than most would care for.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

joriandrake wrote...


the Warden had to stop the Blight, it was done by gathering various means/allies to succeed
Hawke will become a damn important person who will rise to power in probably various ways

" you wound up doing the same thing in the end"

Looking at it in this way-you can play a shapeless golem without any personality if only the end goal is important.
For me the character, his story, his family, his race, his name was important.

I don't want to play a human named Hawke who is a peasant. DA1 allowed me a choice in that.
Now choices are taken away from players.

We don't know he is a peasant. He flees from Lothering, but we don't know if he is actually from there.

[Jordy Laforge]

 I cant say how much I like the changes to the console version of combat because I have not played it yet. That being said, I do feel the old set up was just plain slow. My party did everything slow, run slow, cast spells slow, use the mapped attacks slow. So if this new combat style speeds things up without taking away the pause and play, sounds good to me.

[Calla S]

Grommash94 wrote...

We don't know he is a peasant. He flees from Lothering, but we don't know if he is actually from there.

Have you been counting the number of times you've said this? Because it's getting pretty high up there. It's a shame we don't get XP for repetition.

[joriandrake]

Grommash94 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

joriandrake wrote...


the Warden had to stop the Blight, it was done by gathering various means/allies to succeed
Hawke will become a damn important person who will rise to power in probably various ways

" you wound up doing the same thing in the end"

Looking at it in this way-you can play a shapeless golem without any personality if only the end goal is important.
For me the character, his story, his family, his race, his name was important.

I don't want to play a human named Hawke who is a peasant. DA1 allowed me a choice in that.
Now choices are taken away from players.

We don't know he is a peasant. He flees from Lothering, but we don't know if he is actually from there.

I think it was confirmed that Hawke lived there

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The lore is different between the races, yes. I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment on the "rich background" on each of the races, but the limited level of customization you can have between characters. Hawke's personality and the way he or she rises to power is the main focal point here, not how things might've been different if he'd been born in the Deep Roads or an outcast Dalish or whatever the developers thought up.

And I hate to point it out to you, but Beth's going to be Hawke's sister whether you like it or not.

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

I don't want to sound rude, but you have obviously made up your mind about the game. Hawke is going to be limiting to you as a roleplayer, and you prefer DA1. Why even bother posting on the forums then, if you do not intend to even give the game a chance? 

[Grommash94]

joriandrake wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

joriandrake wrote...


the Warden had to stop the Blight, it was done by gathering various means/allies to succeed
Hawke will become a damn important person who will rise to power in probably various ways

" you wound up doing the same thing in the end"

Looking at it in this way-you can play a shapeless golem without any personality if only the end goal is important.
For me the character, his story, his family, his race, his name was important.

I don't want to play a human named Hawke who is a peasant. DA1 allowed me a choice in that.
Now choices are taken away from players.

We don't know he is a peasant. He flees from Lothering, but we don't know if he is actually from there.

I think it was confirmed that Hawke lived there

All I think Gameinformer says is that Hawke lived in Lothering during the events of DA:O, and then fled north to Kirkwall, or some such. It doesn't necessarily mean he has been in Lothering all of his life, though. Maybe I am being overly optimistic...can't help it though.

[joriandrake]

Grommash94 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The lore is different between the races, yes. I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment on the "rich background" on each of the races, but the limited level of customization you can have between characters. Hawke's personality and the way he or she rises to power is the main focal point here, not how things might've been different if he'd been born in the Deep Roads or an outcast Dalish or whatever the developers thought up.

And I hate to point it out to you, but Beth's going to be Hawke's sister whether you like it or not.

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

I don't want to sound rude, but you have obviously made up your mind about the game. Hawke is going to be limiting to you as a roleplayer, and you prefer DA1. Why even bother posting on the forums then, if you do not intend to even give the game a chance? 

for me it sounds he doesn't like that the character is a human, or a peasant

[Artemis_Entrari]

I'm going to wait until more information is released before I decide whether I like the game or want to write it off, but I will say that IF they make DA2 into an action game first and foremost, with some RPG elements tacked on, I won't buy it.

[Calla S]

joriandrake wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The lore is different between the races, yes. I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment on the "rich background" on each of the races, but the limited level of customization you can have between characters. Hawke's personality and the way he or she rises to power is the main focal point here, not how things might've been different if he'd been born in the Deep Roads or an outcast Dalish or whatever the developers thought up.

And I hate to point it out to you, but Beth's going to be Hawke's sister whether you like it or not.

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

I don't want to sound rude, but you have obviously made up your mind about the game. Hawke is going to be limiting to you as a roleplayer, and you prefer DA1. Why even bother posting on the forums then, if you do not intend to even give the game a chance? 

for me it sounds he doesn't like that the character is a human, or a peasant

Oh, I dunno. I think he may be a problem with Hawke's being a human of lowly origins or something. I could be wrong.

[andar91]

Marionetten wrote...

William91 wrote...

GameInformer said that the PC combat remained unchanged, they only modified console combat

Unfortunately the Xbox 360 is their lead platform this time around.

Like it or not, this will have a direct impact on the PC version.

Where do people keep getting this from? If you have a source, please cite it and I'll believe you.  I remember hearing that both versions were being developed simultaneously.

[Grommash94]

andar91 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

William91 wrote...

GameInformer said that the PC combat remained unchanged, they only modified console combat

Unfortunately the Xbox 360 is their lead platform this time around.

Like it or not, this will have a direct impact on the PC version.

Where do people keep getting this from? If you have a source, please cite it and I'll believe you.  I remember hearing that both versions were being developed simultaneously.

A forum user said it was said at ComicCon; but that could just mean the lead platform for the consoles. BioWare did say that both versions were being made alongside each other.

[MoSa09]

Calla S wrote...

Ooh, see, that I've tried. Doesn't work. I really should learn from my mistakes and move on, hm? 

I'm frantically defending BioWare and DA2 because I'm attempting to be some leveling voice of reason. It's sad when this "voice of reason" ends up sounding more like a rabid fangirl of some sort, but hey. Desperate times. I'll happily admit that I've had my moments of doubt since the very beginning (hell, I still get them!), but I do trust BioWare to give me a gratifying RPG experience, even if it's slightly less old school than most would care for.

I guess its a matter of trust. At the moment, there is simply no one around whom we can trust. While i don't believe the devs are all evil, well, they work for BioWare, they supposed to love and praise that game, even if some of them think differently in private. And marketing talk should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Gi, i don't trust them either. They obviously made a bargain with EA/BioWare to be the first and exclusiv ones to spread the news about DA 2. Too close to expect some objective criticism, i regard them as an outside branch of BioWare marketing.

And then we have some outside sources who are more or less all complaining but i can't measure their reliability. So we have the "everything awesome" marketing talk and the "disappointing" outside talk from questionable sources.

Not an ideal situation if you ask me, And for the faith in BioWare. I refrain from having faith in any kind of capitalist companies, that in the end, putting all shared love for video gaming aside, do not want anything else than persuade me to give them my money. They are neither angels nor demons, their business people, and i never believe in business people but treat them with extra caution.

[andar91]

Mike Laidlaw has said these quotes here: http://social.biowar...ex/3149188&lf=8



I'm just going to add here that one note we're mentioning in the demo but hasn't come up in the thread: the section of the game that we're showing is deliberately over the top, and represents what it is like when someone is "exaggerating" your legend, as per the whole concept of the Frame Narrative.



Concerns that enemies die in one hit are a direct result of Hawke having good PR and thus excesisvely powerful during this part, not because our combat design reads "Hawke kills people in one hit."

In general, it's not a good idea to have people leaving your demonstration feeling like they got their asses kicked. We save that for boss battles in the real game.



No problem. I try to make it pretty clear that we're deliberately over the top during the demo, but I did do rather a lot of them in a row. By then end it all blurs together.



But yes, I definitely don't want people to think the gameplay will be a mash-A yawn-fest, but I think that what we're showing really demonstrates how much smoother the controls are, even on PC, you have to admit that it would be nice to leap into action rather than watching your character shuffle into position before starting to swing.



Since there seems to be some concern about lead platform, I can dispel a myth for you: it's not actually that hard to develop on all three platforms once you have an engine that actually works on all three platforms. It's just a matter of ensuring the bug fixes and optimizations work on all three, and then generating assets that are both scaleable (as in they can move to be optimized across all three platforms) and functional.



And since we already HAVE an engine that works on PS3, PC and 360, we can, in fact, develop on all three. Dragon Age II is "built," tested and run every day on all three.

[Bruce Venne]

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

Aw, you made Bethany cry   Just don't make her angry, she is a mage.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the Hawkes.  You will still be able to shape your Hawke into the type of hero you want them to be.  And you will care about Bethany.  Trust me.  And if you don't trust me, then trust the writers.  They are doing an amazing job with this story.

[fchopin]

Bruce Venne wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Calla S wrote...

I don't care about personality of peasant named Hawke, and neither do I care about his peasant sister.

Aw, you made Bethany cry   Just don't make her angry, she is a mage.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the Hawkes.  You will still be able to shape your Hawke into the type of hero you want them to be.  And you will care about Bethany.  Trust me.  And if you don't trust me, then trust the writers.  They are doing an amazing job with this story.

Does Bethany change depending how we shape Hawke or does she have a set character?