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[Ortaya Alevli]

It will be a drunk King Alistair. Being a Grey Warden is a given, of course.

[Addai]

Tellervo wrote...

I kind of wish they'd have the decency to let Origins die a respectable death if they're as done with it as they keep shouting. Has anyone been pleased with anything relating to any LI after DA:O? Morrigan fans seem to hate Witch Hunt, Alistair fans seemed displeased with his Awakening cameo, Lel's song turned out alright, and don't get me started on the "revised" ending if you romanced Zev.... Just let it go, Bioware, unless you're going to make up for some of that crap. Please.

I thought the Awakening cameo was good. It's brief but it was obviously simplified so that you had two scenarios- one was kingly/ formal, the other kingly/ warm/ somewhat romantic.

And, that entrance, in the Kal Hirol armor?  Gawd.  Hot.  <3  That was worth the $40.

So I'm glad they're not "letting it go."  I was happy to see Morrigan again, too.

[nightcobra]

Addai67 wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

I kind of wish they'd have the decency to let Origins die a respectable death if they're as done with it as they keep shouting. Has anyone been pleased with anything relating to any LI after DA:O? Morrigan fans seem to hate Witch Hunt, Alistair fans seemed displeased with his Awakening cameo, Lel's song turned out alright, and don't get me started on the "revised" ending if you romanced Zev.... Just let it go, Bioware, unless you're going to make up for some of that crap. Please.

I thought the Awakening cameo was good. It's brief but it was obviously simplified so that you had two scenarios- one was kingly/ formal, the other kingly/ warm/ somewhat romantic.

And, that entrance, in the Kal Hirol armor?  Gawd.  Hot.  <3  That was worth the $40.

So I'm glad they're not "letting it go."  I was happy to see Morrigan again, too.

i was glad to see my current warden (also my avatar:happy:) and king alistair seemed to be friends again even though i spared loghain, he was even considering joining the wardens again but he knows he's more needed as a king.

[dopefourtwo]

Allistair was one of my fav characters I would like to see him make a cameo at least.

Modifié par dopefourtwo, 17 octobre 2010 - 11:24 .

[errant_knight]

Maria13 wrote...

I'm just thinking of SV's words where he says something like, "it was a lot of fun..." I just get the impression that he was referring to several different scenes, that's all...

Ah, see I took that as indicatiing the possibility of several unrelated scenes. Both are possible, of course, and actually, it might be a better story if it was just one, because there would be more to it. Still, it seems likely to me that they'd want a possible cameo in as many different endings as possible.

[Saibh]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Saibh wrote...
 And I'd think that Morrigan fans are the only people who can be happy about Witch Hunt.

Well, I'm not.
One month of waiting and still no patch. Besides, Witch Hunt is another half-baked  DLC, which didn't give answers and instead, created more questions.
So, no. We're not happy.

Did they not release one for the 360 or PS3? They did for the PC.

[DMC12]

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Saibh wrote...
 And I'd think that Morrigan fans are the only people who can be happy about Witch Hunt.

Well, I'm not.
One month of waiting and still no patch. Besides, Witch Hunt is another half-baked  DLC, which didn't give answers and instead, created more questions.
So, no. We're not happy.

Did they not release one for the 360 or PS3? They did for the PC.

Bioware did, PSN did, but as far as I know, no word from Microsoft.

[Saibh]

DMC12 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Saibh wrote...
 And I'd think that Morrigan fans are the only people who can be happy about Witch Hunt.

Well, I'm not.
One month of waiting and still no patch. Besides, Witch Hunt is another half-baked  DLC, which didn't give answers and instead, created more questions.
So, no. We're not happy.

Did they not release one for the 360 or PS3? They did for the PC.

Bioware did, PSN did, but as far as I know, no word from Microsoft.

Oh, really? That sucks. Still, I'd say that people who romanced Morrigans did get the ending they wanted--they got to choose to be together or not. Even if the actual DLC did little for the game itself.

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...

DMC12 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Saibh wrote...
 And I'd think that Morrigan fans are the only people who can be happy about Witch Hunt.

Well, I'm not.
One month of waiting and still no patch. Besides, Witch Hunt is another half-baked  DLC, which didn't give answers and instead, created more questions.
So, no. We're not happy.

Did they not release one for the 360 or PS3? They did for the PC.

Bioware did, PSN did, but as far as I know, no word from Microsoft.

Oh, really? That sucks. Still, I'd say that people who romanced Morrigans did get the ending they wanted--they got to choose to be together or not. Even if the actual DLC did little for the game itself.

DMC12 is right. No word from Microsoft yet.
And...yeah, I guess that choosing to stay with Morrigan is kinda an important decision, but still...the DLC itself was a big letdown. And as a Morri fan, I'm fairly disappointed.

[Melca36]

Since we get to see Alistair in Dragon Age 2, Will he look different?



The darkspawn look different in DA2...will they draw Alistair...differently?

[errant_knight]

Melca36 wrote...

Since we get to see Alistair in Dragon Age 2, Will he look different?

The darkspawn look different in DA2...will they draw Alistair...differently?

I fear this will be true, given the attachment to the art direction, and the rather odd dimensions of Hawke and Bethany's faces, but they'll probably make an effort to have him resemble himself. And his voice will still be Alistair.

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Since we get to see Alistair in Dragon Age 2, Will he look different?

The darkspawn look different in DA2...will they draw Alistair...differently?

I fear this will be true, given the attachment to the art direction, and the rather odd dimensions of Hawke and Bethany's faces, but they'll probably make an effort to have him resemble himself. And his voice will still be Alistair.

Hawke and Bethany looked great in the trailer. And if you're meaning the video of gameplay that snuck out, well I believe it was said those modesl aren't exactly finished just yet.

[Persephone]

errant_knight wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

He only returns if you sent him to be executed

On first glance I dismissed this as nonensical baiting, but it does bring up a good point. Alistair could potentially appear after all game endings, because you never see him executed. There's nothing to say he couldn't have escaped. That means that he actually could have a role that's pivotal to the plot, rather than a side quest that may or may not be available, depending on your game choices.

Doesn't Eamon refer to "the Theirin blood line" being gone forever if you do let the queen do this? I am curious myself as to why we never SEE him die, given how bloody and intense Loghain's execution cutscene is.

[Ymladdych]

Persephone wrote...
Doesn't Eamon refer to "the Theirin blood line" being gone forever if you do let the queen do this? I am curious myself as to why we never SEE him die, given how bloody and intense Loghain's execution cutscene is.

I'm thinking that he's probably perma-dead with the execution ending because he's *definitely* dead if he kills the Archdemon.  Once the devs choose to support any permutation of a character's ending status (dead vs king vs warden vs drunk), then I don't see them making the extra effort to reverse one route that leads there (execution) and not the other (sacrifice).

That being said, if they do decide to give Alistair some plot armor for the execution ending, they could write a fairly plausible scenario.  As others have posted, he could escape and Anora keeps it under wraps because she thinks that any perceived incompetence would be more dangerous to her rule than a free Alistair.  Or, it could be that the executioners botched the job and reported him as dead to Anora.

[errant_knight]

Ymladdych wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Doesn't Eamon refer to "the Theirin blood line" being gone forever if you do let the queen do this? I am curious myself as to why we never SEE him die, given how bloody and intense Loghain's execution cutscene is.

I'm thinking that he's probably perma-dead with the execution ending because he's *definitely* dead if he kills the Archdemon.  Once the devs choose to support any permutation of a character's ending status (dead vs king vs warden vs drunk), then I don't see them making the extra effort to reverse one route that leads there (execution) and not the other (sacrifice).

That being said, if they do decide to give Alistair some plot armor for the execution ending, they could write a fairly plausible scenario.  As others have posted, he could escape and Anora keeps it under wraps because she thinks that any perceived incompetence would be more dangerous to her rule than a free Alistair.  Or, it could be that the executioners botched the job and reported him as dead to Anora.

This is how I feel about it exactly. It's unlikely for these reasons, but perfectly doable if they had a compelling reason to do so. Eamon could easily not know the truth, if they wanted to go that way.

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 octobre 2010 - 04:24 .

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Since we get to see Alistair in Dragon Age 2, Will he look different?

The darkspawn look different in DA2...will they draw Alistair...differently?

I fear this will be true, given the attachment to the art direction, and the rather odd dimensions of Hawke and Bethany's faces, but they'll probably make an effort to have him resemble himself. And his voice will still be Alistair.

Hawke and Bethany looked great in the trailer. And if you're meaning the video of gameplay that snuck out, well I believe it was said those modesl aren't exactly finished just yet.

I think they look kind of squished, in a broad, short-faced kind of way, but that's entirely subjective.

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Since we get to see Alistair in Dragon Age 2, Will he look different?

The darkspawn look different in DA2...will they draw Alistair...differently?

I fear this will be true, given the attachment to the art direction, and the rather odd dimensions of Hawke and Bethany's faces, but they'll probably make an effort to have him resemble himself. And his voice will still be Alistair.

Hawke and Bethany looked great in the trailer. And if you're meaning the video of gameplay that snuck out, well I believe it was said those modesl aren't exactly finished just yet.

I think they look kind of squished, in a broad, short-faced kind of way, but that's entirely subjective.

Well mostly all we've seen is a trailer, and some video taped gameplay which itself can't be used to judge. The Sacred Ashes trailer faces looked completely different than the ones in game, and video recorded gameplay, not frapsed but recorded via phone or whatever won't give a proper perspective.

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Since we get to see Alistair in Dragon Age 2, Will he look different?

The darkspawn look different in DA2...will they draw Alistair...differently?

I fear this will be true, given the attachment to the art direction, and the rather odd dimensions of Hawke and Bethany's faces, but they'll probably make an effort to have him resemble himself. And his voice will still be Alistair.

Hawke and Bethany looked great in the trailer. And if you're meaning the video of gameplay that snuck out, well I believe it was said those modesl aren't exactly finished just yet.

I think they look kind of squished, in a broad, short-faced kind of way, but that's entirely subjective.

Well mostly all we've seen is a trailer, and some video taped gameplay which itself can't be used to judge. The Sacred Ashes trailer faces looked completely different than the ones in game, and video recorded gameplay, not frapsed but recorded via phone or whatever won't give a proper perspective.

That's true. It remains to be seen what they'll look like in the game, and on a PC.

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

I kind of wish they'd have the decency to let Origins die a respectable death if they're as done with it as they keep shouting. Has anyone been pleased with anything relating to any LI after DA:O? Morrigan fans seem to hate Witch Hunt, Alistair fans seemed displeased with his Awakening cameo, Lel's song turned out alright, and don't get me started on the "revised" ending if you romanced Zev.... Just let it go, Bioware, unless you're going to make up for some of that crap. Please.

I thought the Awakening cameo was good. It's brief but it was obviously simplified so that you had two scenarios- one was kingly/ formal, the other kingly/ warm/ somewhat romantic.

And, that entrance, in the Kal Hirol armor?  Gawd.  Hot.  <3  That was worth the $40.

So I'm glad they're not "letting it go."  I was happy to see Morrigan again, too.

Agreed.

His cameo is good, although I shouldn't be seeing it since I make Anora solo Queen, but since I only play Awakening with Orlesians...

I also loved seeing Morrigan again in WH (she wasn't my LI, but she was my Warden's sister). And Leli's song was great, although it didn't involve the Warden in anyway.

So yeah, I'm also glad they're not "letting it go".

Persephone wrote...

Doesn't Eamon refer to "the Theirin blood line" being gone forever if you do let the queen do this? I am curious myself as to why we never SEE him die, given how bloody and intense Loghain's execution cutscene is. 

I think he says that anytime you don't make Alistair King, regardless of whether he's executed or not.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:11 .

[SRWill64]

What's with all this Alistair hate, people? His IS the rightful heir to the throne, after all...Queen Anora or no.

And there has to be something positively evil in you not to love that man.

[Kerilus]

SRWill64 wrote...

What's with all this Alistair hate, people? His IS the rightful heir to the throne, after all...Queen Anora or no.
And there has to be something positively evil in you not to love that man.

I love him alright. However, there is just that twisted part of me that wants to see him being an alcoholic human-waste and maybe even mug him for his warden sword and amulet, depriving him of his last piece of dignity.

So...yes. I might be a little bit evil.

[Ortaya Alevli]

I have a good feeling about Alistair's comeback.

Most companions from the first Baldur's Gate returned in BG2 either as companions again or NPCs. Those who rejoined with your character had their possible plot deaths besides an infinite number of grisly ways by which you can bring doom upon them. As for those who did not...well, let's see.

Dynaheir and Khalid are the first casualties; you find that they were brutally murdered during your escape from Irenicus' dungeon.

Montaron is apparently killed by Harpers; you find his corpse at the end of a quest given by Xzar which also leads to his demise.

Ajantis falls prey to illusional tricks of a scheming dragon and is slain by your character, no less.

Coran and Safana are met in the Forest of Tethir, where they also meet their end, unless you go far, far out of your way and try hard to keep Coran alive.

Faldorn goes nuts and takes over a druid grove, attacks a nearby city and brings upon your wrath on herself.

Finally, Tiax joins your character against Irenicus in Spellhold and is killed along with other inmates. Though we all know such a minor inconvenience will not deter Tiax from ruling all.

So, yeah. Please, oh please bring Alistair back in DA2.

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

His cameo is good, although I shouldn't be seeing it since I make Anora solo Queen, but since I only play Awakening with Orlesians...

Here I agree with Eamon, those poncy Orlesians should see Maric's line prevail.  Go Theirin! 

The only problem with Alistair in Awakening is that if he remains a Warden, he drops off the face of the earth.  Hopefully that will not be the case in DA2, if he has a cameo as king or as wandering drunk.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:05 .

[upsettingshorts]

SRWill64 wrote...

What's with all this Alistair hate, people? His IS the rightful heir to the throne, after all...

Technically - at least when it comes to how things worked in history - he isn't.  Sure, bastards may have been propped up from time to time, but an unrecognized bastard is by no means ever a rightful heir.

In the case of the endings of DA:O where Alistair becomes King, that is a case of might making right.

That being said, Anora has absolutely no claim whatsoever besides the notion that she is already the de facto queen.  She has no royal blood, she is a Mac Tir, and doesn't magically acquire it through marriage. 

I've argued that by the Landsmeet, a human male noble has more right to the throne than anyone else in the room except possibly Loghain given:

1)  The Couslands are one of the only two Teryns in Ferelden
2)  Teryn Cousland is dead, Feargus is easily presumed dead, and that would leave The Warden as the rightful heir to the Teryn
3)  Teryn Loghain is the other Teryn, but as your political rival at the Landsmeet his opposition to your rule is rather obvious.
4)  Since Alistair has never been recognized by Maric (or even by Cailan as a member of his house) he is illegitimate and his claim would have to be on its own merits and not because of his bloodline, because bloodline very much demands recognition.
5)  Anora is a widowed queen and right to rule does not typically transfer to the spouse, neither does bloodline.

So the Warden is basically the rightful presumed Teryn of Highever, the second noblest house in the land.  If Maric's house is gone, and legally it is, his claim is as good or better than Alistairs or Loghain's.  I always hated the idea that my Warden would have to be second to Anora, when she has no right to rule whatsoever, in the event of a marriage between them.  At the very least they ought to be equals in rule, representing the two Teryns of Ferelden. 

Finally, by getting Cailan killed Loghain could very well have cleared the way for the Empress of Orlais to reclaim the throne of Ferelden.  But I would have to have read the books and delved deeper into the Codex to evaluate the validity of such a claim, I could at least see a legitimate case being raised - especially if it was just an excuse to regain lost power.

TLDR:  Human male noble warden ought to have had more success at arguing for his claim to the throne, even if his actual domain of Highever is in shambles and illegally occupied.

/rant over
//likes Alistair a lot

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:19 .