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[Lord Gremlin]

SirOccam wrote...

I have The Calling but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. In Awakening, maybe I didn't think about it enough, but it sounded to me like he wanted to neutralize the call of the Old Gods and therefore end Blights for good.

My character's thought process involved 3 main points:
1. Ending Blights forever: good
2. Can still kill Darkspawn...I'm not signing a peace treaty
3. If Morrigan did have "evil" plans for the God Baby...this might inhibit those. And if they were good/neutral plans, it shouldn't have any effect

The way I see it, I could kill the Architect and continue on as before, with 2 more potential Blights to face. Or I could let him try his crazy plan, hopefully remove the threat of Blights, but if not, I can still proceed as before, and wipe them out.

It's very possible I missed some crucial point, but that's what it came down to for me.

You've missed that Architect's awakened darkspawn managed to forge quality armor for ogres that covers whole body and create siege machines (see Vigil's Keep assault cinematic) and also developed complex strategy which allowed them to destroy the city of Amaranthine (i hope I typed it correctly). And they use high-level magic. And they're able to fix old dwarwen machinery and use it. 
So by siding with Architect you'll create more awakened darkspawn in the future. So, one day they may simply decide to start a war against humans, or elves... Just because leader of ogres thinks that slaughtering all elves and breeding humans like pigs in cages will solve food shortage problems and increase political stability of darkspawn society.
Oh, and you can't slaughter them like before. Because they're using lava golems, and produce them in huge numbers, and wearing enchanted silverite armor. And since they're sentient you'll have their agents infiltrating cities, disguised as fat bearded peasants and spreading taint AND propaganda posters (Elves! Support hurloc leader Gazul, he will enslave all humans and will grant their land to you! And in case of his victory every elf who supported him will be awarded with a pig and 100 sovereigns!).

By the way, you wanted to warn Orlesian emperor? Too bad he received 100000000000 sovereigns worth in lyrium and veridium from darkspawn leader. So you'll be arrested on sight and handled to the darkspawn. So yay, sentient darkspawn FTW!

[Demx]

Some Geth wrote...

Siradix wrote...

He's dead mate, or more like

Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening = Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening

It was all a dream.

No!

What's this now? There were hardly any decisions you made that would affect the future of Ferelden. The game, for the most part, was pretty much summed up.

[Daerog]

Lord Gremlin wrote...


So by siding with Architect you'll create more awakened darkspawn in the future. So, one day they may simply decide to start a war against humans, or elves... Just because leader of ogres thinks that slaughtering all elves and breeding humans like pigs in cages will solve food shortage problems and increase political stability of darkspawn society.

The darkspawn do not need to eat people to live, we are not food for darkspawn. The blight sustains them, they don't need to eat. They do naw and "eat" people, but they don't need to, food shortage would not be a problem for darkspawn as long as there is the blight.

[Lord Gremlin]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...


So by siding with Architect you'll create more awakened darkspawn in the future. So, one day they may simply decide to start a war against humans, or elves... Just because leader of ogres thinks that slaughtering all elves and breeding humans like pigs in cages will solve food shortage problems and increase political stability of darkspawn society.

The darkspawn do not need to eat people to live, we are not food for darkspawn. The blight sustains them, they don't need to eat. They do naw and "eat" people, but they don't need to, food shortage would not be a problem for darkspawn as long as there is the blight.

But if they're sentient, maybe they want to eat. For pleasure. So they'll just decide that they want it, this and fancy clothes made of human skin.

[In Exile]

Well, one of the disciples of the Architect started the elf/human conflict in the forest basically to see what the two sides would do. Starting a military conflict for ****s and giggles does not bode well for the high potential moral standard of the Awakened darkspawn. In a similar vein (since only one example is poor) we have the disciple that attacked Vigil's Keep who spent no time trying to negotiate with the Warden Commander and effectively just worked hard to stab with the pointy end. This is putting aside that some of the awakened simply go insane (e.g. the mother) and other awakened are more than happy to follow insane darkspawn on murder rampages.

Evidence for darkspawn being peaceful is, well, not good.

[Lord Gremlin]

Well, I'm not surprised darkspawn didn't try to negotiate with Warden Commander - they hate Wardens. Architect never speaks on the matter but I think he just being secretive here. They hate Wardens and they love violence by nature. Anyway, you can't say they were unprepared when they started attack.

As for moral, I suppose darkspawn only care for other darkspawn, other races are nothing but meat and broodmother source for them.

Although speaking of darkspawn caring for each other I got the impression that this boils down to the reasons for which one of them can be executed.

[Riona45]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


I am pissed off at the devs for leaving no hint of his true plans and nature in Awakening....It's almost as if they want to trick players into letting him live.

Except in the Silverite Mines.

[Riona45]

Lord Gremlin wrote...


I was referring to Dark Ritual of course and Morrigan leaving after the final battle. As for Alistair, unless PC is a human noble he will break up with her after he made king, and it happens after landsmeet.

Well, you don't have to make Alistair king, it's possible for him to leave you even if you are a human noble (if you don't state before the Landsmeet that you will be at his side), and--if you hardened him--he will be willing to keep you as a mistress.

So, it's a bit more complicated than that.

[Lord Gremlin]

Riona45 wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...


I was referring to Dark Ritual of course and Morrigan leaving after the final battle. As for Alistair, unless PC is a human noble he will break up with her after he made king, and it happens after landsmeet.

Well, you don't have to make Alistair king, it's possible for him to leave you even if you are a human noble (if you don't state before the Landsmeet that you will be at his side), and--if you hardened him--he will be willing to keep you as a mistress.

So, it's a bit more complicated than that.

I know, it's just wrong thread to discuss such details.

[Ymirr]

I figured i could have a take on the matter.





*to continue existing the darkspawn would have to rape women*

It would only be rape if it was against their will, now wouldn't it?

*How could it not be against their will?*

Self sacrifice just like wardens do, just like people of different religions have done before. Sacrificing themselves to gods or what not. Why not sacrifice their life for peace?

They don't have to be conscious through the act after all, and after it is finished the women would practically be dead. Because who they were does not exist no more. So basically it's going to the sacrificial alter.





*But they bring the disease*

Which is why the architect saw fit to make everyone wardens, considering they are immune. (and apparently everyone in your team who still aren't wardens...)

*But that would end the line of any other species because of them becoming mindless ghouls*

People die all the time, instead of old age this could be it. People can after all also reproduce before turning into a ghoul....

If you've read the calling, you'll see there is a possibility to not become a ghoul also.



*But it would be too big of a sacrifice to make them all wardens.*

Yet people are much more willing to kill off a species entirely, that would be a big sacrifice as well. Just not to the species you like.

Considering the blights that are left, and that we don't really know how many dragons there really are, the amount of death that will be caused by that alone can result in much much worse.



*Those that have been awoken attacked vigils keep, the mother went mad and they followed her*

The attack on vigil's keep were apparently self defence, because of lack of knowledge of how non darkspawn think. The diciple who threatened to kill the wardens followers, did so accordingly. The situation told him that there were no other way really.

The mother went mad yes, apparently the Architects experiments seem to fail on those "big" ones. Like the archdemon, and the broodmother, perhaps he should just avoid those. And as far as i understood, very few according to the Architect followed the mother after being awakened. She did however controll some that were still under the influence of the calling. And they all followed him when he returned to the deep roads. The Messenger is another example of a decent darkspawn isn't he?



*but they can become a threat to everyone else, even more dangerous now then before*

I find it rather funny how morals are implied at times, yet people suggest this. The possibility of a war in the future is enough to wipe them all out. Hitler thought similar things, Jews were a threat hence kill them all.

*thats not the same, darkspawn are not Jews*

obviously not under the influence of the calling of the old gods, but removed from it they are like Jews and blacks and whites and Christians and Muslims, capable of not killing people... Dangerous like any other to anything not them.







As for the architect wakening the archdemon, that was far from his intention. If someone were sent to disarm a bomb, but failed and it exploded. Would the one attempting to disarm it be looked at with such contempt as well?

But still if he hadn't, someone else would eventually. And considering the short time the blight lasted perhaps it was for the best that it started then?



As for those who say he can't be part of DA2 because you killed him. Then neither can Morrigan have a baby since some chose no there... Yet that doesn't seem to be questioned that much. Apparently he looked very different in the Calling, lost his arm as well, so maybe he has some strange power and isn't dead yet.

Whatever becomes canon, becomes canon i suppose.









Well, thats just a take on it nothing more. So as for the actual topic, i don't know if he'll have a role, but it would be nice if he did. Would be a shame not to see a proper end to that story. Whether he's ****ing with us, or not. Right now it just seems too... loose.

[Behindyounow]

The Architect may be dead, but one of his disciples is still alive no matter what. He mentions in his diary a disciple called the Seeker, who is behind all the problems in the Wending woods.