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[In Exile]

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Anathemic wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...


Presentation adds cost, VA for a main character is a big issue for presentation as they have a lot of dialogue.  For some players having a voiceless protagonist cuts off much of the presenation.  While others would prefer to fill in the dots if you will (I am not one of them).  The dialogue wheel or similar system allows for full implementation of VA and allows for more freedom in cinematic presentation.  As if you look at many games where you essentially choose what your character says and then they say exactly what they say, the presentation is often static.  

Some people want to play the game rather than watch a movie

If you can't keep up to yourself how can you keep up with other developers?

Presentation is a strength of Bioware, not a weakness, ignoring a strength such as this would be  a mistake.

SirShreK wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Presentation
adds cost, VA for a main character is a big issue for presentation as
they have a lot of dialogue.  For some players having a voiceless
protagonist cuts off much of the presenation.  While others would prefer
to fill in the dots if you will (I am not one of them).  The dialogue
wheel or similar system allows for full implementation of VA and allows
for more freedom in cinematic presentation.  As if you look at many
games where you essentially choose what your character says and then
they say exactly what they say, the presentation is often static.  

Correct.
Couldn't have said it better. So do you think that they allow subtitles
for the dialogue? Don't answer that. Because I will.

They will add sub-titles.

I
would simply like to ask these being displayed before rather than
after. With sub-titles, what you said about reading faster than hearing
is going to happen anyway. So bye bye dialogue, escape button! here I
come!

Edit: I have no problem with guys/gals who want to listen to VAs. I don't. I am going to skip them. My choice.

Sub-titles are similar but they react to what is saying on the screen not really what could be said on the screen

So in that sense the wheel would be a bit of a delayed limitation, as you would essentially choose a response deposit, quickly read what your character is going to say then skip the VA.  You could skip through dialogue quickly that way, but if they try to emulate ME expect it to be a bit glitchy as skipping dialogue like that can lead to weirdness (models not being displayed properly, graphical tears).

[Riona45]

SirOccam wrote...
And how do you know Hawke won't?

I guess disliking DA2 gives people amazing powers of prognostication.  They are able to tell us about how much of a coward Hawke is, how his/her story is FAR less interesting than that of certain Starcraft characters, etc.

[Onyx Jaguar]

filetemo wrote...

"Hawke isn't a Warden. It's not his job to fight the Archdemon. "

thast's why we don't care about him

Most of the grey wardens in this region are dead and ironically so is mine.  Whats so special about warriors who drink arch demoon blood anyway?  THat was relevant to that story, not this one.

[In Exile]

Anathemic wrote...

It was after, and yes the Warden did kill the darkspawn who sacked Lothering, being that all darkspawn where either marching towards Denerim or tracking down the Warden (Redcliffe seige).

How do you know? Did the darkspawn have their giant "L" for look how awesome I am for sacking Lothering? Or are you just using a bit of wishful thinking to discredit a game you dislike?

But no, that would be impossible. You are obviously right that the Grey Warden killed those specific darkspawn.

So either the Warden killed them at Denerim or Redcliffe. Since the darkspawn who sacked Lothering were at the front of the horde (logically being their first attack) they would be at the front of the Horde and if so when the WArden charged at Denerim they would be furthur in toward Fort Drakon, or maybe if the darkspawn who sacked Lothering where in the back of the horde they would still be killed by the Warden's initial charge.

Or maybe, since the Warden actually killed very few darkspawn in comparison to the horde, and unless the Warden was a moron, all that happened at Denerim was a bee-line toward Fort Drakon to kill the archdemon.

No, no, you're right. What happened was that the Warden killed all the darkspawn (all of them, for the XP, you see) and then killed the archdemon. None of the darkspawn were left alive and since the Lothering sacking darkspawn were a specific part of the horde and not the entire horde and wore big fat Ls on their chests, the Warden knew exactly who to look for to kill.

Yup, that's exactly what happened, and there's totally no way around it.

Do you seriously not see the absurdity in what you're arguing right now?

And the Warden didn't leave Lothering in a false sense of security, I recall the villagers wanting to kill the Warden for monies.

Oh, noes! People wanted to kill him for money! Well, running away from that is the epitome of heroism. Not like nasty Hawke, running away from a mindless ancient horror that wanted to kill him to eat his intestines or something.

[Daerog]

In Exile wrote...

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

Lies! I know from my own reactive concluding opinion that Hawke will improve his talents of fleeing from danger and darkspawn, and will be the Champion of Kirkwall because he will flee from the last battle and be the sole survivor of Kirkwall, thus being its Champion since there are no other applicants.

[Anathemic]

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

If you look at my other posts on this thread I don't really care if the Warden makes it in  DA2 or not, I'm stating that the Warden is more interesitng then Hawke, and I can probally garuntee that too. Unless another Blight comes in in the same age, nothing will surpass the Warden's achievements.

[Kritanakom]

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
I care, and alot of people liked the Warden's role in defeating the Blight before it even begun. So Cousland is a not a coward and Hawke is? Because Cousland redeemed that instance of his life (Howe taking over Highever and killing family) by killing Howe him/herself and reclaim Highever later on. So, Hawke is a coward...

Edit: Meant Highever instead of Amaranthine

You're right. I might have a leg to stand on if Hawke became a legendary hero or something, maybe a champion of a city (no - you're right, that just sounds lame). He just ran away and died in a ditch, so he was totally a coward.

Never amounted to anything, that Hawke. Absolute did not become importat at all to the history of Thedas. That's why Bioware even said: in this game, you are irrelevant, and our gameplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic.

Lol.

[filetemo]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

filetemo wrote...

"Hawke isn't a Warden. It's not his job to fight the Archdemon. "

thast's why we don't care about him

Most of the grey wardens in this region are dead and ironically so is mine.  Whats so special about warriors who drink arch demoon blood anyway?  THat was relevant to that story, not this one.

my point is:

youi can't expect me to respect you as a hero if you flee from where real hero's are saving the world.
Even if you had to flee for whatever reasons, you are not in the central point of the story, so whatever you do is thanks to others getting the job done somewhere else.

If they wanted to tell the story of another hero, do it 100 years after the blight.

[Riona45]

In Exile wrote...


Never amounted to anything, that Hawke. Absolute did not become importat at all to the history of Thedas. That's why Bioware even said: in this game, you are irrelevant, and our gameplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic.

Just so you know, that made me laugh out loud.

[Anathemic]

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It was after, and yes the Warden did kill the darkspawn who sacked Lothering, being that all darkspawn where either marching towards Denerim or tracking down the Warden (Redcliffe seige).

How do you know? Did the darkspawn have their giant "L" for look how awesome I am for sacking Lothering? Or are you just using a bit of wishful thinking to discredit a game you dislike?

But no, that would be impossible. You are obviously right that the Grey Warden killed those specific darkspawn.

So either the Warden killed them at Denerim or Redcliffe. Since the darkspawn who sacked Lothering were at the front of the horde (logically being their first attack) they would be at the front of the Horde and if so when the WArden charged at Denerim they would be furthur in toward Fort Drakon, or maybe if the darkspawn who sacked Lothering where in the back of the horde they would still be killed by the Warden's initial charge.

Or maybe, since the Warden actually killed very few darkspawn in comparison to the horde, and unless the Warden was a moron, all that happened at Denerim was a bee-line toward Fort Drakon to kill the archdemon.

No, no, you're right. What happened was that the Warden killed all the darkspawn (all of them, for the XP, you see) and then killed the archdemon. None of the darkspawn were left alive and since the Lothering sacking darkspawn were a specific part of the horde and not the entire horde and wore big fat Ls on their chests, the Warden knew exactly who to look for to kill.

Yup, that's exactly what happened, and there's totally no way around it.

Do you seriously not see the absurdity in what you're arguing right now?

And the Warden didn't leave Lothering in a false sense of security, I recall the villagers wanting to kill the Warden for monies.

Oh, noes! People wanted to kill him for money! Well, running away from that is the epitome of heroism. Not like nasty Hawke, running away from a mindless ancient horror that wanted to kill him to eat his intestines or something.

Absurd but not sarcastic

Alright in all seriousness it is really plausible that the Warden killed the darkspawn who sacked Lothering, if not maybe someone else killed them (probally the Warden kills them in Awakening). Even if those darkspawn didn't die, they are probally wandering somewhere in Ferelden, not the Free Marches or Kirkwall whatever, or maybe in the Deep Roads. I can 100% garuntee (yes i use this alot) that Hawke  in DA2 will not  kill the darkspawn who sacked Lothering.

[Onyx Jaguar]

filetemo wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

filetemo wrote...

"Hawke isn't a Warden. It's not his job to fight the Archdemon. "

thast's why we don't care about him

Most of the grey wardens in this region are dead and ironically so is mine.  Whats so special about warriors who drink arch demoon blood anyway?  THat was relevant to that story, not this one.

my point is:

youi can't expect me to respect you as a hero if you flee from where real hero's are saving the world.
Even if you had to flee for whatever reasons, you are not in the central point of the story, so whatever you do is thanks to others getting the job done somewhere else.

If they wanted to tell the story of another hero, do it 100 years after the blight.

You'd rather want someone to stay and die rather than flee to live another day?

The Warden didn't actively take on those hordes until they had an army

[Grommash94]

Anathemic wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

If you look at my other posts on this thread I don't really care if the Warden makes it in  DA2 or not, I'm stating that the Warden is more interesitng then Hawke, and I can probally garuntee that too. Unless another Blight comes in in the same age, nothing will surpass the Warden's achievements.

The Warden saved Ferelden. The rest of the world was far more prepared for a Blight, and thus, the world was not at danger...only Ferelden was. Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas ever, in all of its history. More than Andraste, more than previous Grey Wardens, more than the Archons of Tevinter.

I am sorry, but the Warden's achievements will be nothing compared to becoming the most important person in Thedas.

[Saibh]

Grommash94 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

If you look at my other posts on this thread I don't really care if the Warden makes it in  DA2 or not, I'm stating that the Warden is more interesitng then Hawke, and I can probally garuntee that too. Unless another Blight comes in in the same age, nothing will surpass the Warden's achievements.

The Warden saved Ferelden. The rest of the world was far more prepared for a Blight, and thus, the world was not at danger...only Ferelden was. Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas ever, in all of its history. More than Andraste, more than previous Grey Wardens, more than the Archons of Tevinter.

I am sorry, but the Warden's achievements will be nothing compared to becoming the most important person in Thedas.

I'd avoid comparing the two--why don't we treat them as seperate entities, with seperate accomplishments? Rather than it becoming a vs. thread.

[Anathemic]

Grommash94 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

If you look at my other posts on this thread I don't really care if the Warden makes it in  DA2 or not, I'm stating that the Warden is more interesitng then Hawke, and I can probally garuntee that too. Unless another Blight comes in in the same age, nothing will surpass the Warden's achievements.

The Warden saved Ferelden. The rest of the world was far more prepared for a Blight, and thus, the world was not at danger...only Ferelden was. Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas ever, in all of its history. More than Andraste, more than previous Grey Wardens, more than the Archons of Tevinter.

I am sorry, but the Warden's achievements will be nothing compared to becoming the most important person in Thedas.

Where does it say Hawke becomes the most important EVER in the history of Dragon Age and in Thedas?

[Grommash94]

Saibh wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

If you look at my other posts on this thread I don't really care if the Warden makes it in  DA2 or not, I'm stating that the Warden is more interesitng then Hawke, and I can probally garuntee that too. Unless another Blight comes in in the same age, nothing will surpass the Warden's achievements.

The Warden saved Ferelden. The rest of the world was far more prepared for a Blight, and thus, the world was not at danger...only Ferelden was. Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas ever, in all of its history. More than Andraste, more than previous Grey Wardens, more than the Archons of Tevinter.

I am sorry, but the Warden's achievements will be nothing compared to becoming the most important person in Thedas.

I'd avoid comparing the two--why don't we treat them as seperate entities, with seperate accomplishments? Rather than it becoming a vs. thread.

I admit, that would be better.

[Daerog]

filetemo wrote...

my point is:

youi can't expect me to respect you as a hero if you flee from where real hero's are saving the world.
Even if you had to flee for whatever reasons, you are not in the central point of the story, so whatever you do is thanks to others getting the job done somewhere else.

If they wanted to tell the story of another hero, do it 100 years after the blight.

Just wanted to point out that calling the game Dragon Age 100 years after the fifth Blight would cause more problems. As the fifth Blight is around 9:30 Dragon, and in 100 years it would be 10:30 and who knows what the Chantry will call that age. This is why the Tevinter Imperium is the best, they don't bother with naming centuries before they happen.

[Kritanakom]

Anathemic wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
This is why these debates/arguments never go anywhere because one always has to resort to sarcasm, if you look at all my posts not one of them were sarcastic.

I wish they were.

I'm using sarcasm to illustrate just how absurd I think your argument is. You don't like the direction of DA2? By all means, that's your right as a consumer.

But I disagree with this worship of the character of the Grey Warden in DA:O was if that character was infallible, and absolute dislike this apparent need to trash the very unknown character of Hawke.

And if you werent sarcastic, well thank you for agreeing for me but you have the info wrong on BioWare's statement that Hawke is ireelevant and the gamplay is centered around the running-and-begging-for-your-life mechanic

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

If you look at my other posts on this thread I don't really care if the Warden makes it in  DA2 or not, I'm stating that the Warden is more interesitng then Hawke, and I can probally garuntee that too. Unless another Blight comes in in the same age, nothing will surpass the Warden's achievements.

Wouldn't that be terribly boring if the only way to be as big a hero as the Warden was to defeat that exact same blighty threat? Shouldn't the second game have some new awesome thing to do to become a hero? I think the writers can do that.

[Riona45]

filetemo wrote...

"Hawke isn't a Warden. It's not his job to fight the Archdemon. "

thast's why we don't care about him

But unfortunately, this person is the PC of DA2.  If you don't plan to play DA2 (and why would you, if you don't care about the PC?), why hang around on a board meant for discussing DA2 after you've made your point about it several times over?

[filetemo]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You'd rather want someone to stay and die rather than flee to live another day?

The Warden didn't actively take on those hordes until they had an army

hawke should have joined that army

[Daerog]

Kordaris wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

In Exile wrote...

But that can't be true. You mean Hawke doesn't spend the game doing cowardly things? That's almost like Hakwe isn't a coward or something.

Lies! I know from my own reactive concluding opinion that Hawke will improve his talents of fleeing from danger and darkspawn, and will be the Champion of Kirkwall because he will flee from the last battle and be the sole survivor of Kirkwall, thus being its Champion since there are no other applicants.

Haha, I would love such character:D

Someone should make a flash game making fun of Dragon Age, just like someone made a story called Mock Effect. Just a lazy peasant who does nothing and gets everyone killed, but is declared a hero when everyone thinks he/she saved the day since he/she is the only survivor when the great evil is defeated.

[filetemo]

Riona45 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

"Hawke isn't a Warden. It's not his job to fight the Archdemon. "

thast's why we don't care about him

But unfortunately, this person is the PC of DA2.  If you don't plan to play DA2 (and why would you, if you don't care about the PC?), why hang around on a board meant for discussing DA2 after you've made your point about it several times over?

because the arguments against my opinions are silly so I have to keep answering back.

[Onyx Jaguar]

filetemo wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You'd rather want someone to stay and die rather than flee to live another day?

The Warden didn't actively take on those hordes until they had an army

hawke should have joined that army

Which one, the Army at Redcliffe, or the troops of Denerim, or should he have become a pusher for one of the Bann's? 

Who says Hawke would have been chosen as a soldier, or if they had what it takes.