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[AlanC9]

Kordaris wrote...
The creation lost its chance when it got the unfortunate name.

Yeah, we get that you can't handle the name. Move on.

[Daerog]

Anathemic wrote...
True true, but this is what the forums are all about right? Stating out opinions based on information we have

Also, by stating opinions now, you get three options by release.
1. The satisfaction of telling everyone, "I told ya so!"
2. Being surprised for being wrong, for better or worse.
3. Completely ignore forums because you'll be doing something else.

[Anathemic]

Wait a second, Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas, not just Dragon Age? I'm having a hard time believing this, there's Andraste, the Tevinter Imperium (well archons anyway), Shartan, King Maric, etc.

[Druss99]

Kordaris what do you want? You have been at this all day and done nothing but go round in circles. Your in thread after tread saying the same things over and over again. We all get it, you want more characters. Where has today got you? You wasted a day ranting on the internet about something your not going to be able to change, the very fact that your here and going to all this effort means your probably going to buy the damn game anyway.

[Anathemic]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
True true, but this is what the forums are all about right? Stating out opinions based on information we have

Also, by stating opinions now, you get three options by release.
1. The satisfaction of telling everyone, "I told ya so!"
2. Being surprised for being wrong, for better or worse.
3. Completely ignore forums because you'll be doing something else.

Hmm you're probally right, number 1 being my desire as for number 2 I would like, maybe DA2 will be a good game, and for number 3, Starcraft 2 looks pretty good right now

[Rogue Unit]

David Gaider wrote...

Kordaris wrote...
He isn't a blank state. He is a human male/female from Hawke family. This isn't a blank state. We can't make him elvish, we can't make him dwarven,  we can't make him quanari, we can't make him coming from any other family.

He comes with pre-determined race, pre-determined family name. Both race and name are two very strong elements of self-identification. I would never call him a blank state.

Your DAO character also had a pre-determined family name, based on your origin. YES-- you had six to choose from. I'm not arguing that. What I mean by a blank slate is that you associate nothing with the character. You also associated nothing with your Warden character when you began. The fact that you could choose things about him did not mean he wasn't  a blank slate.

This is not the core of the problem. You didn't had one pre-determined hero in DAO. You could chose from several, and picked one you liked. This option has been reduced from DA2.Selecting a new hero in DA2 would be ok, playing Gray Warden again is not necessary(and in fact would be very difficult) but being forced to abandon such clever and creative process of selection of your hero is what angers people.

So choosing your race and origin (the beginning to your story) made for a whole new hero? You do realize that was still the same story, you were still the same Grey Warden who went on to defeat the Blight in the same way as those other heroes, yes? As I've said elsewhere, if the mere fact of that choice is THAT much of a difference to you, by all mean-- there's nothing we could say that could convince you-- but you talk as if it created a whole new story and the fact that DA2 has less choices to start means there is none at all.

Gaider, I hope DA2 will be awesome so you can rub it in these peoples faces.

[Grommash94]

Anathemic wrote...

Wait a second, Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas, not just Dragon Age? I'm having a hard time believing this, there's Andraste, the Tevinter Imperium (well archons anyway), Shartan, King Maric, etc.

Yes. He does something that affects Thedas on a massive scale. Apparently war is brewing at the end of the game, and the Chantry is in pieces. World war=weak Thedas... (could possibly)=disastrous blight.

Who knows?

Modifié par Grommash94, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:08 .

[Saibh]

Druss99 wrote...

Kordaris what do you want? You have been at this all day and done nothing but go round in circles. Your in thread after tread saying the same things over and over again. We all get it, you want more characters. Where has today got you? You wasted a day ranting on the internet about something your not going to be able to change, the very fact that your here and going to all this effort means your probably going to buy the damn game anyway.

He's already said he's going to buy it. He wants to kill Hawke's sister. Oh, and make Hawke's life miserable. <_<

[Riona45]

Anathemic wrote...

I can 100% garuntee (yes i use this alot) that Hawke  in DA2 will not  kill the darkspawn who sacked Lothering.

Then can I point out that most people (myself included) probably couldn't care less about that?

[Anathemic]

Grommash94 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Wait a second, Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas, not just Dragon Age? I'm having a hard time believing this, there's Andraste, the Tevinter Imperium (well archons anyway), Shartan, King Maric, etc.

Yes. He does something that affects Thedas on a massive scale. Apparently war is brewing at the end of the game, and the Chantry is in pieces. World war=weak Thedas... (could possibly)=disastrous blight.

Who knows?

*facepalm* I'm going to refrain from bringing a Mass Effect relation here...

Anyways! If Hawke destroys the Chantry I will be giving him/her a thumbs up, maybe even start taking a liking to. However I will be doubting Hawke (70% due to being that STUPID surname) in the meantime

[Onyx Jaguar]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I can 100% garuntee (yes i use this alot) that Hawke  in DA2 will not  kill the darkspawn who sacked Lothering.

Then can I point out that most people (myself included) probably couldn't care less about that?

+1

[Daerog]

Anathemic wrote...

Wait a second, Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas, not just Dragon Age? I'm having a hard time believing this, there's Andraste, the Tevinter Imperium (well archons anyway), Shartan, King Maric, etc.

Eh, religious figures are most important to those who believe in them. Archons are important to people in Tevinter and are seen as evil d-bags by Orlais, Shartan is removed from the Chant so not many will remember him I bet, King Maric is known in Orlais and Fereldan not much else, blah blah blah.
Excuses^^^
I really think it's just marketing, or he is just most important at that time. It doesn't say that he/she will be the most important person OF ALL TIME AND FOREVER in Thedas.

[Anathemic]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I can 100% garuntee (yes i use this alot) that Hawke  in DA2 will not  kill the darkspawn who sacked Lothering.

Then can I point out that most people (myself included) probably couldn't care less about that?

Already late in the argument, this point is over. But anyways you're right it's completely stupid and no one will care for it

[Anathemic]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Wait a second, Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas, not just Dragon Age? I'm having a hard time believing this, there's Andraste, the Tevinter Imperium (well archons anyway), Shartan, King Maric, etc.

Eh, religious figures are most important to those who believe in them. Archons are important to people in Tevinter and are seen as evil d-bags by Orlais, Shartan is removed from the Chant so not many will remember him I bet, King Maric is known in Orlais and Fereldan not much else, blah blah blah.
Excuses^^^
I really think it's just marketing, or he is just most important at that time. It doesn't say that he/she will be the most important person OF ALL TIME AND FOREVER in Thedas.

Which is why i wil lbe doubting but yes. And as for Shartan, being remembered doesnt have to mean being the most important. Look at the old Tevinter Imperium, barely anyone knows their names or any of the mages that sunk Arlathan, but they are still important people.

[Daerog]

Anathemic wrote...

Anyways! If Hawke destroys the Chantry I will be giving him/her a thumbs up, maybe even start taking a liking to. However I will be doubting Hawke (70% due to being that STUPID surname) in the meantime

Awwww.... now you lost my agreement with you here....

However, they should have chosen a better surname, I agree. They should have used mine: Sheely. Way cooler.

[Druss99]

Saibh wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Kordaris what do you want? You have been at this all day and done nothing but go round in circles. Your in thread after tread saying the same things over and over again. We all get it, you want more characters. Where has today got you? You wasted a day ranting on the internet about something your not going to be able to change, the very fact that your here and going to all this effort means your probably going to buy the damn game anyway.

He's already said he's going to buy it. He wants to kill Hawke's sister. Oh, and make Hawke's life miserable. <_<

Well he is a peasant and they are all to be despised ofcourse. He also has the name Hawke which is disgusting. Its all so healthy and well balanced.

[David Gaider]

AlanC9 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...
The creation lost its chance when it got the unfortunate name.

Yeah, we get that you can't handle the name. Move on.

Heh. Let me say something about names.

Did you know that when we named the Grey Wardens there were people in the office who were vehemently opposed to it? They thought it sounded stupid, and suggested alternatives. Like with any name for a made up thing, the Grey Wardens (and the alternatives) were liked by some, hated by others, and only a few expressed indifference.

Why? Because people have connotations for names. There's no bar to judge it by except personal preference, so everyone's going to react on a gut level.

Thing is, once you get used to a name and associate it with the made-up thing eventually you won't be able to remember that it could ever have been called anything else. Grey Wardens? Of course they're the Grey Wardens! What else would you call them?

Same with the Qunari ("sounds like canary!"), same with Alistair ("that sounds like a british boy band name! He's a warrior!"), same with Dragon Age itself. We fight about these names all the time, and then think it's odd that later on we don't even remember why we thought they were bad in the first place. All that fuss and argument, and in the end it would have been just as easy to pick some random dude passing in the hallway and get him to name the thing and be done with it.

...no, Hawke was not named by some random dude passing in the hallway.

Thing is, it's a new name, and one that (unsurprisingly) carries connotations as any name would. If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

[SirOccam]

You should have gone with Jingleheimerschmidt.

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

In DA1 we had alterante options to choose from if we didn't like a character's name.

Mayhaps he means alternate suggestions for "Grey Warden"? Besides that, picking a character's name was superficial, since no one ever referred to you by that.

[Saibh]

SirOccam wrote...

You should have gone with Jingleheimerschmidt.

What? No! His name is my name too!

[Daerog]

David Gaider wrote...

Heh. Let me say something about names.

*snip*

Same with the Qunari ("sounds like canary!"), same with Alistair ("that sounds like a british boy band name! He's a warrior!"), same with Dragon Age itself.

Same with Gaider ("sounds like a reptile, or a name for a reptile/human hybrid thing!")


(just kidding, I'm a true fanboy)