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[Anathemic]

David Gaider wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...
The creation lost its chance when it got the unfortunate name.

Yeah, we get that you can't handle the name. Move on.

Heh. Let me say something about names.

Did you know that when we named the Grey Wardens there were people in the office who were vehemently opposed to it? They thought it sounded stupid, and suggested alternatives. Like with any name for a made up thing, the Grey Wardens (and the alternatives) were liked by some, hated by others, and only a few expressed indifference.

Why? Because people have connotations for names. There's no bar to judge it by except personal preference, so everyone's going to react on a gut level.

Thing is, once you get used to a name and associate it with the made-up thing eventually you won't be able to remember that it could ever have been called anything else. Grey Wardens? Of course they're the Grey Wardens! What else would you call them?

Same with the Qunari ("sounds like canary!"), same with Alistair ("that sounds like a british boy band name! He's a warrior!"), same with Dragon Age itself. We fight about these names all the time, and then think it's odd that later on we don't even remember why we thought they were bad in the first place. All that fuss and argument, and in the end it would have been just as easy to pick some random dude passing in the hallway and get him to name the thing and be done with it.

...no, Hawke was not named by some random dude passing in the hallway.

Thing is, it's a new name, and one that (unsurprisingly) carries connotations as any name would. If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

I wanna Hawke a loogie.

Anyways in all seriousness Mr. Gaider, comparing surnames from DA:O Hawke in my personal opinion sounds too... errr... well put it this way, a band member from an 80's rock band. The surnames in DA:O sounded more appealing and fitting in the genre of Dragon Age. It might have something to do with one-syllable to it, I dunno

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...
 If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

Eagerly awaiting to hear alternate names for Mike Hawke....But seriously, did no one pick up on the whole Mike Hawke , Epic Hawke and so on before sticking with it?

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:19 .

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
However, I do think it will be hard to surpass the Warden in legend.

Whoever ended the first Blight probably has a shot at it. The first Wardens had it a lot tougher than the johnny-come-latelys we've been following.

Garahel was a greater hero. He stopped a blight that had been raging for decades. He organized the Wardens, let a series of military campaigns, and when it came to it, made the ultimate sacrifice with no benefit of a dark ritual to save him.

[In Exile]

Kordaris wrote...

If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

No, you didn't. You always got called Warden. Even for RPing characters where being called this was contrary to their character.

[Grommash94]

David Gaider wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...
The creation lost its chance when it got the unfortunate name.

Yeah, we get that you can't handle the name. Move on.

...no, Hawke was not named by some random dude passing in the hallway.

Sure David, sure .....

[Saibh]

In Exile wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
However, I do think it will be hard to surpass the Warden in legend.

Whoever ended the first Blight probably has a shot at it. The first Wardens had it a lot tougher than the johnny-come-latelys we've been following.

Garahel was a greater hero. He stopped a blight that had been raging for decades. He organized the Wardens, let a series of military campaigns, and when it came to it, made the ultimate sacrifice with no benefit of a dark ritual to save him.

Shhh! I like believing my Warden is the most kickass Warden!

[Daerog]

In Exile wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
However, I do think it will be hard to surpass the Warden in legend.

Whoever ended the first Blight probably has a shot at it. The first Wardens had it a lot tougher than the johnny-come-latelys we've been following.

Garahel was a greater hero. He stopped a blight that had been raging for decades. He organized the Wardens, let a series of military campaigns, and when it came to it, made the ultimate sacrifice with no benefit of a dark ritual to save him.

I just meant Hawke surpassing the Warden. Garahel is likely the top hero ever so far. Or Archon Thalsian.

Maybe not Archon Thalsian...

[Riona45]

Kordaris wrote...

Already by having a name, determined family, origin(refugee), race he has gained important characteristics. Already people dislike him for fleeing, dislikable name, being human and so on.

And those people are probably a much tinier percentage of potential buyers than they think they are.

[Thomas9321]

David Gaider wrote...

Thing is, it's a new name, and one that (unsurprisingly) carries connotations as any name would. If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

Can we? That would make a great special featur for the collectors edition - the many names of Hawke! That would be highly entertaining.

I'm just happy we didn't get 'Cain Darkstar' or some other Grimdark nonsense.

[David Gaider]

Kordaris wrote...
One crucial difference:in DA1 we had alternate options to choose from if we didn't like a character's name. Try as you might-I realise you are defending the product which you think highly of-but limitation of player's choices will be seen as bad, since many got used to freedom in DAO.

You mean the last name that you didn't get to choose but were only referred to on the rare occasion?

Or the first name that you did get to choose but never heard again, and instead were referred to as "Warden" if you were spoken to directly at all? Exactly the same as now, with it simply being "Hawke" instead of "Warden"?

No offense, but is that a lot of freedom you're missing, exactly?

Modifié par David Gaider, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Kordaris wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

And those people are probably a much tinier percentage of potential buyers than they think they are.

Those buying RPGs are even tinier percentage of game buyers than does buying Modern Warfare. Your point?

Yes

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

And those people are probably a much tinier percentage of potential buyers than they think they are.

Those buying RPGs are even tinier percentage of game buyers than does buying Modern Warfare. Your point?

What? Next you're going to play the Hitler Card, sheesh....<_<

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Modifié par Saibh, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:45 .

[Anathemic]

David Gaider wrote...

You mean the last name that you didn't get to choose but were only referred to on the rare occasion?

Or the first name that you didn't get to choose but never heard again, and instead were referred to as "Warden" if you were spoken to directly at all? Exactly the same as now, with it simply being "Hawke" instead of "Warden"?

No offense, but is that a lot of freedom you're missing, exactly?

But Warden is an amibigious title is it not? In DA2 I assume for the majority (if not half) the game we will be referred to the set character name rather than an ambigious title yes? Correct me if I am wrong.

[Onyx Jaguar]

David Gaider wrote...

Kordaris wrote...
One crucial difference:in DA1 we had alternate options to choose from if we didn't like a character's name. Try as you might-I realise you are defending the product which you think highly of-but limitation of player's choices will be seen as bad, since many got used to freedom in DAO.

You mean the last name that you didn't get to choose but were only referred to on the rare occasion?

Or the first name that you didn't get to choose but never heard again, and instead were referred to as "Warden" if you were spoken to directly at all? Exactly the same as now, with it simply being "Hawke" instead of "Warden"?

No offense, but is that a lot of freedom you're missing, exactly?

The ability to shape your avatar, and their appearance is a massive deal to many consumers.  Not just RPG players.  Removing Elven races and Dwarven races eliminates those presets.  You aren't missing much freedom in "choices" so to speak.  But you are in customization. 

I mean I played through DA:O 4 times (and working on a fifth).  Part of that incentive was tied to background and profienciency.  Since there are only 3 profieciencies I most likely would have stopped there.  BUt instead I continued on as a City Elf.  Why?  Because of small differences and because of the avatar change.  Here we really only have one option, and three proficiencies.  It takes away from that level of customization for which you would set off on your adventure.  Sure the story is essentially the same, but some of the details were different.

Add that in with avatar customization and you do have significantly less options wise in the way of avatar creation, and storyline adjustment.

[Captain Jazz]

Anathemic wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Wait a second, Hawke becomes the most important person in Thedas, not just Dragon Age? I'm having a hard time believing this, there's Andraste, the Tevinter Imperium (well archons anyway), Shartan, King Maric, etc.

Yes. He does something that affects Thedas on a massive scale. Apparently war is brewing at the end of the game, and the Chantry is in pieces. World war=weak Thedas... (could possibly)=disastrous blight.

Who knows?

*facepalm* I'm going to refrain from bringing a Mass Effect relation here...

Anyways! If Hawke destroys the Chantry I will be giving him/her a thumbs up, maybe even start taking a liking to. However I will be doubting Hawke (70% due to being that STUPID surname) in the meantime

Sorry, but what Mass Effect relation? War between the nations of thedas? Don't see a relation there... Broken Chantry? Did Shepard tear down the Asari goddess worshipy places? Is it just becuase of the "something REAAALLLY bad might happen!" implication? We could draw relationships with Mario or Pipe Mania based on that.

[Riona45]

Kordaris wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

And those people are probably a much tinier percentage of potential buyers than they think they are.

Those buying RPGs are even tinier percentage of game buyers than does buying Modern Warfare. Your point?

You keep saying "people dislike this, that, and the other thing" as if that's a cogent argument.  It isn't.  Some people dislike those things, other people like them or couldn't care less.  Either way, the details that people have been complaining about in this thread most likely can't be changed at this point (not that I would want them to, personally).

Modifié par Riona45, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[David Gaider]

Brockololly wrote...
Eagerly awaiting to hear alternate names for Mike Hawke....But seriously, did no one pick up on the whole Mike Hawke , Epic Hawke and so on before sticking with it?

Sure. We laughed. We got over it. We still liked the name.

[Anathemic]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Sorry, but what Mass Effect relation? War between the nations of thedas? Don't see a relation there... Broken Chantry? Did Shepard tear down the Asari goddess worshipy places? Is it just becuase of the "something REAAALLLY bad might happen!" implication? We could draw relationships with Mario or Pipe Mania based on that.

Hawke is the single most important person in Thedas
Shepard is the single most important person in the galaxy

Ambigious really but that's a ME reference I see, maybe stretching it out a bit

[Captain Jazz]

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


You mean the last name that you didn't get to choose but were only referred to on the rare occasion?

No offense, but is that a lot of freedom you're missing, exactly?

Please take no o offense-but do you play RPGs besides computer games? Even If I play a computer game I roleplay the character I am playing as in normal RPG. Not only I see his actions that happen on screen but I envision details of his backstory, his goals, his feelings, his views of situations in which he acts. I treat this as normal gameplay roleplay experience.
The name might be mentioned rarely on screen-but when I roleplay a character in computer game it is constantly on my mind as are its other traits.

When I import my own characters into games that don't let me pick a surname... I ignore the surname they come up with and mentally paste my character's surname over the top, it's quite easy to do.

[Morroian]

Kordaris wrote...
Please take no o offense-but do you play RPGs besides computer games? Even If I play a computer game I roleplay the character I am playing as in normal RPG. Not only I see his actions that happen on screen but I envision details of his backstory, his goals, his feelings, his views of situations in which he acts. I treat this as normal gameplay roleplay experience.
The name might be mentioned rarely on screen-but when I roleplay a character in computer game it is constantly on my mind as are its other traits.

So why wasn't your characters surname in DAO constantly on your mind? It obviously wasn't because you like the game. You've already been told DA2 isn't any different in this regard.

[Anathemic]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


You mean the last name that you didn't get to choose but were only referred to on the rare occasion?

No offense, but is that a lot of freedom you're missing, exactly?

Please take no o offense-but do you play RPGs besides computer games? Even If I play a computer game I roleplay the character I am playing as in normal RPG. Not only I see his actions that happen on screen but I envision details of his backstory, his goals, his feelings, his views of situations in which he acts. I treat this as normal gameplay roleplay experience.
The name might be mentioned rarely on screen-but when I roleplay a character in computer game it is constantly on my mind as are its other traits.

When I import my own characters into games that don't let me pick a surname... I ignore the surname they come up with and mentally paste my character's surname over the top, it's quite easy to do.

It's hard to ignore when the game references you as Hawke all the time (which is prolly gonna happen in DA2)

[Saibh]

Anathemic wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Sorry, but what Mass Effect relation? War between the nations of thedas? Don't see a relation there... Broken Chantry? Did Shepard tear down the Asari goddess worshipy places? Is it just becuase of the "something REAAALLLY bad might happen!" implication? We could draw relationships with Mario or Pipe Mania based on that.

Hawke is the single most important person in Thedas
Shepard is the single most important person in the galaxy

Ambigious really but that's a ME reference I see, maybe stretching it out a bit

Yeah. That's stretching it. I mean, who can imagine playing a game where you are important? Instead, we all would prefer to play Agatha from Castle Redcliffe.