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[Riona45]

Anathemic wrote...


But Warden is an amibigious title is it not? In DA2 I assume for the majority (if not half) the game we will be referred to the set character name rather than an ambigious title yes? Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't understand this argument either, or how it is relevant to anything.  How is "Warden" an ambiguous title?  It means Grey Warden, and there's nothing ambiguous about the DA:O PC's status as a Grey Warden.

[Anathemic]

Saibh wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Sorry, but what Mass Effect relation? War between the nations of thedas? Don't see a relation there... Broken Chantry? Did Shepard tear down the Asari goddess worshipy places? Is it just becuase of the "something REAAALLLY bad might happen!" implication? We could draw relationships with Mario or Pipe Mania based on that.

Hawke is the single most important person in Thedas
Shepard is the single most important person in the galaxy

Ambigious really but that's a ME reference I see, maybe stretching it out a bit

Yeah. That's stretching it. I mean, who can imagine playing a game where you are important? Instead, we all would prefer to play Agatha from Castle Redcliffe.

Well at first glance I can prolly see how it's stretching it, but htink of it as this way. In Dragon Age, Thedas is really the 'galaxy' and/or 'universe' of Dragon Age, it is unknown to your character but a developed area and known to all, travelled upon, etc. That is why I see a Mass Effect relation to it

[Unknown Username]

So, since you mentioned that you guys fought over names of things like the Grey Wardens, any chance that you could give us what some of the alternatives were? I'd love to hear them, just for humor purposes.

[knighteffect]

David Gaider wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Eagerly awaiting to hear alternate names for Mike Hawke....But seriously, did no one pick up on the whole Mike Hawke , Epic Hawke and so on before sticking with it?

Sure. We laughed. We got over it. We still liked the name.

May I ask what where the alternates to the "Grey Warden" title?

[Daerog]

Saibh wrote...



Yeah. That's stretching it. I mean, who can imagine playing a game where you are important? Instead, we all would prefer to play Agatha from Castle Redcliffe.

Err... I would actually like to play as a Joe Schmo in the Dragon Age setting where the story only impacts me and my immediate surroundings and completely unnoticed by the rest of the world. Could be a personal story of a Robin Hood kind of person, who makes no real impact on the greater world, but his/her story is good enough for bards to sing it, which overtime is heard in far away taverns.

[Anathemic]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...


But Warden is an amibigious title is it not? In DA2 I assume for the majority (if not half) the game we will be referred to the set character name rather than an ambigious title yes? Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't understand this argument either, or how it is relevant to anything.  How is "Warden" an ambiguous title?  It means Grey Warden, and there's nothing ambiguous about the DA:O PC's status as a Grey Warden.

Warden is not a surname, it's a title. Hawke is a surname, not a title. Surnames are more restrictive naturally. Say when you are called 'general' or 'boss' does a person from a third-person point of view know who that person is? Probally not, but being called a surname like Hawke or 'Jefferson' you probally know who that person is.

[Grommash94]

Anathemic wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...


But Warden is an amibigious title is it not? In DA2 I assume for the majority (if not half) the game we will be referred to the set character name rather than an ambigious title yes? Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't understand this argument either, or how it is relevant to anything.  How is "Warden" an ambiguous title?  It means Grey Warden, and there's nothing ambiguous about the DA:O PC's status as a Grey Warden.

Warden is not a surname, it's a title. Hawke is a surname, not a title. Surnames are more restrictive naturally. Say when you are called 'general' or 'boss' does a person from a third-person point of view know who that person is? Probally not, but being called a surname like Hawke or 'Jefferson' you probally know who that person is.

Suppose that's true.

[TSW_Sweet_symphony]

Ok, Here's my opinion.



I haven't read much about DA2, but if it's similar to Mass Effect in that you can also play a girl char, and you can change their appearance, I don't really mind. As long as you can customize the experience, I think I'll be fine, and as long as there are meaningful relationships. (didn't feel it AS much in Mass Effect, and by relationships I don't necessarily mean romances)

[David Gaider]

Kordaris wrote...
Please take no o offense-but do you play RPGs besides computer games?

You mean like tabletop RPG's? Yes, actually. All the time.

Even If I play a computer game I roleplay the character I am playing as in normal RPG. Not only I see his actions that happen on screen but I envision details of his backstory, his goals, his feelings, his views of situations in which he acts. I treat this as normal gameplay roleplay experience.
The name might be mentioned rarely on screen-but when I roleplay a character in computer game it is constantly on my mind as are its other traits.

If my GM said my character needed to have a specific last name, I'd be fine with that so long as I still got to play my character the way I wanted. If I said "no way, I want to be a dwarf named Ermine and be from Kal-Sharok" and he said "but that's not going to fit into the story I have planned" ...well, I can either go off and keep Ermine with no place to go or I can see what he has in mind. Even a tabletop RPG is a collaborative experience between storyteller and player-- it's not one-sided.

[Grommash94]

David Gaider wrote...

Even If I play a computer game I roleplay the character I am playing as in normal RPG. Not only I see his actions that happen on screen but I envision details of his backstory, his goals, his feelings, his views of situations in which he acts. I treat this as normal gameplay roleplay experience.
The name might be mentioned rarely on screen-but when I roleplay a character in computer game it is constantly on my mind as are its other traits.

If my GM said my character needed to have a specific last name, I'd be fine with that so long as I still got to play my character the way I wanted. If I said "no way, I want to be a dwarf named Ermine and be from Kal-Sharok" and he said "but that's not going to fit into the story I have planned" ...well, I can either go off and keep Ermine with no place to go or I can see what he has in mind. Even a tabletop RPG is a collaborative experience between storyteller and player-- it's not one-sided.

Very true.

[Riona45]

Anathemic wrote...

Warden is not a surname, it's a title. Hawke is a surname, not a title. Surnames are more restrictive naturally. Say when you are called 'general' or 'boss' does a person from a third-person point of view know who that person is? Probally not, but being called a surname like Hawke or 'Jefferson' you probally know who that person is.

I guess so...but I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make.  Then again, I have no problem with the surname Hawke, and no problem being called "Hawke" by people in the game.  In some ways I think it is better than having a name that you rarely (or never) hear except in text.

[Daerog]

knighteffect wrote...

May I ask what where the alternates to the "Grey Warden" title?

The Night Watch
The Darkspawn Slayers
The Anti-Blight Brigade
The Dread Guardians
The Griffon Riders
Thedas Freedom Fighters
The Doom Guild
The Dark Champions
The Order of Ill Fate
etc.
My guesses anyway.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:07 .

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

You mean like tabletop RPG's? Yes, actually. All the time.

Good to hear, myself I  am an old RPGer. Favourites included Dark Sun,Fading Suns, Blue Planet, Star Wars D6, Transhuman Space, currently playing Eclipse Phase

If my GM said my character needed to have a specific last name, I'd be fine with that

Well different role-playing styles then, I would hate being denied freedom of player creation in a game.

I feel like your definition of "freedom" is an illusion. You prefer the illusion of choice rather than the presence of it. You're okay with being a Warden, who has no choice over his or her destiny, but you're not okay with playing a human named Hawke who does control it. Yes, you've told us those reasons, but those reasons are fairly superficial in nature--again, you prefer the illusion.

Modifié par Saibh, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:08 .

[Captain Jazz]

Anathemic wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


You mean the last name that you didn't get to choose but were only referred to on the rare occasion?

No offense, but is that a lot of freedom you're missing, exactly?

Please take no o offense-but do you play RPGs besides computer games? Even If I play a computer game I roleplay the character I am playing as in normal RPG. Not only I see his actions that happen on screen but I envision details of his backstory, his goals, his feelings, his views of situations in which he acts. I treat this as normal gameplay roleplay experience.
The name might be mentioned rarely on screen-but when I roleplay a character in computer game it is constantly on my mind as are its other traits.

When I import my own characters into games that don't let me pick a surname... I ignore the surname they come up with and mentally paste my character's surname over the top, it's quite easy to do.

It's hard to ignore when the game references you as Hawke all the time (which is prolly gonna happen in DA2)

I dunno, I've managed to ignore game references to set names in Deus Ex & Splinter Cell... it might not be easy for everyone though, I understand that. I'm just saying that it's possible to pull "Mara Blackthorne, half elf warrior and servant of the dark lord Krell" or... somesuch, and play that character without being thrown when someone addresses your character (or if it does throw you, you could always rp in a little "who the hell is this Hawke guy everyone keeps mistaking me for??" thought now and then.)

[Anathemic]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Warden is not a surname, it's a title. Hawke is a surname, not a title. Surnames are more restrictive naturally. Say when you are called 'general' or 'boss' does a person from a third-person point of view know who that person is? Probally not, but being called a surname like Hawke or 'Jefferson' you probally know who that person is.

I guess so...but I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make.  Then again, I have no problem with the surname Hawke, and no problem being called "Hawke" by people in the game.  In some ways I think it is better than having a name that you rarely (or never) hear except in text.

Might be the style of role-playing then. My point is that this slight change to you is a major difference to me. Even though I like to play the role I'm given (hence role-playing) I want that role to be simple and ambigious so even though I still have a restriction (as role-playing is naturally) I still have enough room to improvise and flesh out the character to make it my own.

DA:O gave me this because I didn't have to stick with one family name all the time and it was barely referenced in the game. I was "Warden" rather than "Warden Cousland".

[Grommash94]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

knighteffect wrote...

May I ask what where the alternates to the "Grey Warden" title?

The Night Watch
The Darkspawn Slayers
The Anti-Blight Brigade
The Dread Guardians
The Griffon Riders
Thedas Freedom Fighters
The Doom Guild
The Dark Champions
The Order of Ill Fate
etc.
My guesses anyway.

The Knights Who Say Grey

...or not. 

Modifié par Grommash94, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:12 .

[Anathemic]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

knighteffect wrote...

May I ask what where the alternates to the "Grey Warden" title?

The Night Watch
The Darkspawn Slayers
The Anti-Blight Brigade
The Dread Guardians
The Griffon Riders
Thedas Freedom Fighters
The Doom Guild
The Dark Champions
The Order of Ill Fate
etc.
My guesses anyway.

Made me laugh, I immediatly thought "Inn of Ill Omen" from Elder Scrolls IV. Rufio needed to die

[In Exile]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...


But Warden is an amibigious title is it not? In DA2 I assume for the majority (if not half) the game we will be referred to the set character name rather than an ambigious title yes? Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't understand this argument either, or how it is relevant to anything.  How is "Warden" an ambiguous title?  It means Grey Warden, and there's nothing ambiguous about the DA:O PC's status as a Grey Warden.

Which is brutal if you had an origin character that didn't want the title and was literally conscripted into the order? I was a Cousland, dammit, that's how I saw myself, that's how I wanted to introduce myself, and that's how I wanted to be addressed. I never once saw my character as a Grey Warden, despite the game trying as hard as possible to tell me that's what I should think.

[Daerog]

Saibh wrote...

I feel like your definition of "freedom" is an illusion. You prefer the illusion of choice rather than the presence of it. You're okay with being a Warden, who has no choice over his or her destiny, but you're not okay with playing a human named Hawke who does control it. Yes, you've told us those reasons, but those reasons are fairly superficial in nature--again, you prefer the illusion.

Umm... all choice in video games is an illusion? While storywise, Hawke does have more choice than the Warden who is doomed to forever be a warden and slowly turn into a ghoulish thing, gamewise, Warden has to become a warden and save world while Hawke has to be Champion of Kirkwall. There is no freedom, there is only choice and inevitables.
Ignore me if I sound silly.

[In Exile]

Anathemic wrote...

Might be the style of role-playing then. My point is that this slight change to you is a major difference to me. Even though I like to play the role I'm given (hence role-playing) I want that role to be simple and ambigious so even though I still have a restriction (as role-playing is naturally) I still have enough room to improvise and flesh out the character to make it my own.

DA:O gave me this because I didn't have to stick with one family name all the time and it was barely referenced in the game. I was "Warden" rather than "Warden Cousland".

But then you have to appreciate how for other people, this was just as terrible as some last name. So acting as if the Warden title is somehow better than Hawke doesn't work at all. It works for you because that's how you see your characters. It doesn't work for me because of how I see my characters.

What I hate isn't people with preferences, it's acting as if those preferences are absolute and objective.

[David Gaider]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
The Night Watch
The Darkspawn Slayers
The Anti-Blight Brigade
The Dread Guardians
The Griffon Riders
Thedas Freedom Fighters
The Doom Guild
The Dark Champions
The Order of Ill Fate
etc.
My guesses anyway.

Wow. It's like you were in that meeting.  

[Erebusd13]

To be honest I'd like to play a non-hero...be great to have a series of choices where you actually can play the coward...clearing out, sneaking and having to be dragged kicking and screaming into stopping or helping whatever menace is out there. I mean most games have options to let you play as jerks or anti-heroes but none have the option to play the sniveling scum bag...it'd be like playing as Starscream rather than the uber Megatron or Prime.

[Merci357]

Kordaris wrote...

Well different role-playing styles then, I would hate being denied freedom of player creation in a game.

I guess the Game Master part would be better suited for you, then. Complete freedom to shape the world. However, your character needs to be adressed in DA2, like s/he was adressed in Origins (Warden, most of the time) or Awakening (also Warden, or Commander, or both) - rank or status made that easy. In the sequel you are no member of such an order, quite refreshing. What do you propose, how should the PC be adressed? By race? By profession? The name is in my oppinion the easiest solution to this, as it is just that - a name.