Most people don't buy modern warfare, its not Super Mario Bros. 3 or Wii Play
The mistake I think Bioware made-an honest analysis of my opinion
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 02:58
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Saibh wrote...
You had an ancestor who was Scottish. Or spoke that language.
Therefore, you are this:
http://www.reellifew.../braveheart.bmp
Hot or cold?
*sigh*
Now I really want to play as a barbarian.
Why? WHY DID THEY HAVE TO CUT THE BARBARIAN ORIGIN! I know why, doesn't mean that being an Avvar would not have been completely awesome.
Want more info on barbarians in Thedas, please! Oh, a barbarian companion in DA2 would be awesome.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 02:59
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I know one surefire way to sell me on a preset character; he must named Blackadder, be voiced by Rowan Atkinson, and have an inept radish obsessed dog named Baldric.
...Hugh Laurie would also be acceptable.
...Hugh Laurie would also be acceptable.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 02:59
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And who are the most peoplebuying this game now? 30 year gamers with RPG experience of over 20 years? Something tells me that they are not.Saibh wrote...
Most people buying this game don't care.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:00
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This.Erebusd13 wrote...
I know one surefire way to sell me on a preset character...he must named Blackadder, be voiced by Rowan Atkinson, and have an inept radish obsessed dog named Baldric.
...Hugh Laurie would also be acceptable.
I'd buy it.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:00
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I vote they allow us to play as nugs next. I've felt too restricted, and I've always wanted to fight against the tyranny of our dwarven devourers! And Orlesian slave-keepers!
Saints be praised! We found someone who could stomach playing a Nug, fortunately for you there is a plethora of games that would appeal to your refined tastes. Now, if you would just care to walk on over to the FPS and Action/Adventure section of your local video game store...
There's a limit on how much they can possibly let you choose and be—
I completely agree.
If we were to use DAO as a benchmark, as is only reasonable, then one can plainly see that Bioware has unfortunately failed to even touch upon that particular limit.
and guess what, you don't have to buy this game. You don't have to play it.
OMG! I don’t!? Well that’s a relief....
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:00
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I think part of what we are seeing here is frustration about the current state of gaming, especially when it comes to RPGs. For a time, especially with the release of NWN, it seemed as if the future of RPGs was to put as much customization and individualization into the hands of gamers as possible. It was a false promise however and with the rise of consoles as a primary gaming platform, rising piracy, and overall rise in costs we have scene a significant step back from this. DAO though it did limit choice in some ways was one of the more open games to appear in the genre in many years and for a large part of the audience there was an anticipation that the sequel to it would expand rather than narrow these possibilities. That is not to be and of course it is not too surprising as ever different path/choice that exists represents an investment of time and money. I'm disappointed but as long as there remains moral ambiguities and not the standard GvE I'll probably still get the game...though now I'll wait on the reviews rather than preorder.
This is sad but mostly true. However, I think there is some hope. This drive to make better and better looking games can't go on indefinitely because there will come a point when the cost of making games will require developers to charge a price that most people cannot or will not pay. I think we have already seen a little of this in this console generation. Consider how the Xbox is nearing 5 years of age and we still have no definitive date or plans for its successor. The life of a console used to be about five years. This generation has been ridiculously expensive for many people as many had to buy a HDTV, plus HDMI cables, pay for Xbox Live subscription, plus games are 60 dollars where last gen they were just 40 or 50, and the consoles themselves were more expensive at release. This generation (apart from the cheaper and catchy Wii) was slow getting on its feet and I think price had a lot to do with that. When gaming starts to plateau like that, and I think it already is a little than developers are going to have to do something else to attract gamers attention than just making games look and feel smoother. They will have to have a more catchy premise, go a little more with niche markets and things like that. In a sea of expensive Halo and Gears clones, an honest RPG might look like a godsend to a lot of jaded gamers a few years from now. This is what I hope for anyway.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:02
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Kordaris wrote...
And who are the most peoplebuying this game now? 30 year gamers with RPG experience of over 20 years? Something tells me that they are not.Saibh wrote...
Most people buying this game don't care.
Something tells me that doesn't matter, and you don't speak for those people.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:02
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Yes but a good GM wouldn't force you to play a character you had no interest in, no matter how awesome he was. If he knew you found humans completely dull and uninspiring he wouldn't make you play one to accommodate his story, rather he would find a way make your dwarf or elf fit into his story.
And in tabletop I would say it's a bad player who insists on forcing the GM to accomodate his personal desire to play a tiefling shadowdancer (ahem-- no personal experience here, I assure you) because they came to the table with a predefined notion of what character they wanted to play, one that had no basis in the story they wanted to tell.
As I said, it's a collaborative process. It requires buy-in from both sides.
That said, a GM has a handful of players he needs to accomodate. That is really where the analogy ends, don't you think?
Which is what is so disappointing about being forced to play Hawke. Hawke is the epitome of mediocrity, Hawke is the safe bland choice that everyone can stomach to some degree or another. Compared the thought and creativity that went into DAO origins he is the stale gruel of role-playing, clichéd peasant destined to be hero devoid of any of the collaborative effort you mentioned above.
Err... okay. And you know this how? I find it funny only because I could probably find posts that said this exact type of thing-- ho hum I have to save the world AGAIN? Can't you think of anything new? --about DAO , that bastion of thought and creativity, when it was announced.
Okay, sure, I'll play your game, oh ye of little faith. I guess you'll see eventually, won't you?
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:05
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Except you are avoiding the obvious-Dragon Age offered us several characters to choose from. Dragon Age 2 offers only one. You have no choice of changing that character if you don't like him.David Gaider wrote...
Err... okay. And you know this how? I find it funny only because I could probably find posts that said this exact type of thing-- ho hum I have to save the world AGAIN? Can't you think of anything new? --about DAO , that bastion of thought and creativity, when it was announced.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:06
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Collaborative, indeed. I remember it was hard to get someone to play the cleirc in AD&D, but someone had to -- I remember because it was usually me.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:07
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Oh the times when I played the cleric of Cyric...good times.AlanC9 wrote...
Collaborative, indeed. I remember it was hard to get someone to play the cleirc in AD&D, but someone had to -- I remember because it was usually me.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:08
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Kordaris wrote...
Except you are avoiding the obvious-Dragon Age offered us several characters to choose from. Dragon Age 2 offers only one. You have no choice of changing that character if you don't like him.
Background isn't equal to character. If it was all BG characters would be the same except for the racial abilities.
In games where there's only one background I've nevertheless found it possible to play several different characters
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:09
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Kordaris wrote...
Except you are avoiding the obvious-Dragon Age offered us several characters to choose from. Dragon Age 2 offers only one. You have no choice of changing that character if you don't like him.David Gaider wrote...
Err... okay. And you know this how? I find it funny only because I could probably find posts that said this exact type of thing-- ho hum I have to save the world AGAIN? Can't you think of anything new? --about DAO , that bastion of thought and creativity, when it was announced.
I can tell he's been completely avoiding your well-thought out rhetoric.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:09
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Kordaris wrote...
Except you are avoiding the obvious-Dragon Age offered us several characters to choose from. Dragon Age 2 offers only one. You have no choice of changing that character if you don't like him.
Are you going to come up with a different argument? You are just reiterating the same thing over and over...
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:10
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Kordaris wrote...
Except you are avoiding the obvious-Dragon Age offered us several characters to choose from. Dragon Age 2 offers only one. You have no choice of changing that character if you don't like him.David Gaider wrote...
Err... okay. And you know this how? I find it funny only because I could probably find posts that said this exact type of thing-- ho hum I have to save the world AGAIN? Can't you think of anything new? --about DAO , that bastion of thought and creativity, when it was announced.
Which changes nothing about what I said, as it's still "the Grey Warden" and nobody among the ho hum crowd thought that the fact that they could choose an origin or a first name made up for the fact that the concept of the story didn't immediately shower them with sparkles when they first heard it.
But I can see this is going to be a circular argument with you. Well, fair enough. I've said my piece.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:11
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Hm, Kordaris I think its enough, a developer had an actual conversation with you thus you have been heard, it is more than many can claim, so you can consider that as success
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:11
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That's function the character takes. That is not his race, family, personal name, and backstory.David Gaider wrote...
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Which changes nothing about what I said, as it's still "the Grey Warden"
You could have several Gray Wardens-each with different race, name, personal history.
In Dragon Age 2 you can have only one "Hawke".
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:11
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Yes,that post didn't adress the issues I mentioned by sidestepped them.Saibh wrote...
I can tell he's been completely avoiding your well-thought out rhetoric.
How's he going to address them? The only thing he can say is: "You're right. You can't play more than one race. You could in Origins, and now you can't". He's already told us why. Several times, all over the place. You just, evidently, don't think it's a very good reason.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:13
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No good reason for that has been provided. That is true.Saibh wrote...
Several times, all over the place. You just, evidently, don't think it's a very good reason.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:13
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Yes,that post didn't adress the issues I mentioned but sidestepped them.
No, he said they were insignificant. There's a difference.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:14
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Kordaris wrote...
You belong to Caucasian race, you are from Western World and thus influenced by Judeo-Christian religion and traditions. You feel protective of young, you are willing to sacrifice the old members of your species if the young ones are threatened. The males of your species compete for females, if you are male this means your likely to experience different fates than a female(for instance more likely to hurt yourself, land in jail), and so on and so on.Captain Jazz wrote...
I am a human and my surname is Scott. Please, tell me everything you can deduce about me from these strong identifiers.
This is of course quite important in any setting with several different races.
Hmm. Well done, you got three things right (Or one, depending on how we group them - your first sentence is entirely correct, though I am a Morrigan so the influence is largely, if not totally, rejected. The second may be correct to the majority of my species but is not to me - I feel far more protective toward the elderly than to children, likely a result of having worked in a care home. The third sentence is again true for the majority, but does not apply to me.) I think you might have to rethink the effectiveness of your powers of profiling.
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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:14
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Saying that race, your family and your history is insignificant is hardly convincing. Perhaps they are in shooter or beat them up but not in RPG.AlanC9 wrote...
No, he said they were insignificant. There's a difference.
#450
Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 03:14
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Since we do have a developer reading this let me just again reiterate that if one were to announce that Rowan Atkinson was voicing Hawke that all would be well in the world (or since Hawke is a peasant he could be voiced by Tony Robinson and Rowan could play Hawke's former lord).
*hint*hint*
*hint*hint*
