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[AlanC9]

Kordaris wrote...

No good reason for that has been provided. That is true.

What's your metric for "good" here? Is there actually any conceivable answer that would satisfy you?

[Captain Jazz]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Saibh wrote...
You had an ancestor who was Scottish. Or spoke that language.

Therefore, you are this:

http://www.reellifew.../braveheart.bmp

Hot or cold?

*sigh*
Now I really want to play as a barbarian.
Why? WHY DID THEY HAVE TO CUT THE BARBARIAN ORIGIN! I know why, doesn't mean that being an Avvar would not have been completely awesome.
Want more info on barbarians in Thedas, please! Oh, a barbarian companion in DA2 would be awesome.

Ok, I totally agree here. Pleeeeaaaaase expand the classes... I miss my monks and my clerics and my proper bards

[AlanC9]

So the problem is what the other NPCs will think of your character?

[Daerog]

Erebusd13 wrote...

Since we do have a developer reading this let me just again reiterate that if one were to announce that Rowan Atkinson was voicing Hawke that all would be well in the world (or since Hawke is a peasant he could be voiced by Tony Robinson and Rowan could play Hawke's former lord).

*hint*hint*

Everything will be grand if Jeremy Irons voiced any character in DA2.

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

Ah but the issue is not if my profiling is correct. The issue is that it exists in the first place and creates your image.

That you utterly misinterpreted. You created your own idea of a person based on species and name. I could have created an entire other one.

After all, you didn't call him William Wallace. I did. You see how it's not that important? How your own pre-defined notions are limiting you but no one else?

Modifié par Saibh, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:19 .

[Captain Jazz]

Kordaris wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

I am a human and my surname is Scott. Please, tell me everything you can deduce about me from these strong identifiers.

You belong to Caucasian race, you are from Western World and thus influenced by Judeo-Christian religion and traditions. You feel protective of young, you are willing to sacrifice the old members of your species if the young ones are threatened. The males of your species compete for females, if you are male this means your likely to experience different fates than a female(for instance more likely to hurt yourself, land in jail), and so on and so on.
This is of course quite important in any setting with several different races.

Hmm. Well done, you got three things right (Or one, depending on how we group them - your first sentence is entirely correct, though I am a Morrigan so the influence is largely, if not totally, rejected. The second may be correct to the majority of my species but is not to me - I feel far more protective toward the elderly than to children, likely a result of having worked in a care home. The third sentence is again true for the majority, but does not apply to me.) I think you might have to rethink the effectiveness of your powers of profiling.

Ah but the issue is not if my profiling is correct. The issue is that it exists in the first place and creates your image.

The wardens are profiled as well - they are mighty warriors and honourable heroes beyond repute who ride Griffons into battle. If you remember, Sten expresses surprise that one so feeble and callow could be a warden.

[mllrthyme]

You know, I'm more interested in the story that's going to result from the choices that I make, rather than the make-up of my character. Isn't that what most rpg's are about?

[AlanC9]

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.



I'll reduce that dogpile for now. I think Jon Hamm's hosting SNL tonight.

[joriandrake]

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.

He is not wrong about everything

[Riona45]

Kordaris wrote...

That's function the character takes. That is not his race, family, personal name, and backstory.

You could have several Gray Wardens-each with different race, name, personal history.

In Dragon Age 2 you can have only one "Hawke".

Except for the fact that you can choose class, gender, and how and why you become Champion of Kirkwall.

[Saibh]

joriandrake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.

He is not wrong about everything

I have yet to see him be "right" about anything that wasn't his own personal opinion.

[joriandrake]

Riona45 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

That's function the character takes. That is not his race, family, personal name, and backstory.

You could have several Gray Wardens-each with different race, name, personal history.

In Dragon Age 2 you can have only one "Hawke".

Except for the fact that you can choose class, gender, and how and why you become Champion of Kirkwall.

this was mostly true for the Wardens story aswell, plus with additional choices given to the player

[Merci357]

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.

I'll reduce that dogpile for now. I think Jon Hamm's hosting SNL tonight.

Well, he isn't wrong. It's just his point of view. I don't agree with it, even have a hard time to understand some of his concerns, but it's quite healthy to try to see topics from another perspective once in a while.

[joriandrake]

Saibh wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.

He is not wrong about everything

I have yet to see him be "right" about anything that wasn't his own personal opinion.

Is that not true about all of us? We all decide based on our own personal opinions, including me and you.

[Onyx Jaguar]

And if we don't have an opinion, Vincent will shoot us in the face.

[joriandrake]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

And if we don't have an opinion, Vincent will shoot us in the face.

Van Gogh is not that violent

most of the time

[Captain Jazz]

joriandrake wrote...

Saibh wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.

He is not wrong about everything

I have yet to see him be "right" about anything that wasn't his own personal opinion.

Is that not true about all of us? We all decide based on our own personal opinions, including me and you.

True dat. The important thing is being able to recognise that nothing you (impersonal you referring to people in general not ~YOU *point!*~) say is gospel and that you can be *gasp!* wrong. Also that it's ok to be *gasp!* wrong.

edit: Grooouuup huuuuug!
or something like that... I dunno... pancakes?

Modifié par Captain Jazz, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:37 .

[Ulicus]

David Gaider wrote...

Did you know that when we named the Grey Wardens there were people in the office who were vehemently opposed to it? They thought it sounded stupid, and suggested alternatives. Like with any name for a made up thing, the Grey Wardens (and the alternatives) were liked by some, hated by others, and only a few expressed indifference.

Why? Because people have connotations for names. There's no bar to judge it by except personal preference, so everyone's going to react on a gut level.

Thing is, once you get used to a name and associate it with the made-up thing eventually you won't be able to remember that it could ever have been called anything else. Grey Wardens? Of course they're the Grey Wardens! What else would you call them?

Speaking of which, is there any particular reason beyond the "moral ambiguity" angle that they're called the "Grey" Wardens, in universe? Did they choose the name for themselves, or was it a name they were given by the masses?

[Saibh]

joriandrake wrote...

Saibh wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else starting to feel sorry for poor Kordaris? It's actually kind of admirable to see someone stand up for his views like that even when he's wrong about everything.

He is not wrong about everything

I have yet to see him be "right" about anything that wasn't his own personal opinion.

Is that not true about all of us? We all decide based on our own personal opinions, including me and you.

Of course, you're right. Perhaps I should have said "His opinions seemed based on the most negligible facts I can think of". Which, I suppose, is fine.

[Hawksblud]

Okay, hold the bleeding phone.
My last name is very, very close to Hawke. (In fact, it's on the list below which I gakked off a website of surnames.) So yeah, I'm a little personally offended. (What dya mean my last name isn't cool? ::pout:: ) And I think the things that have been said about the name are completely ridiculous.

Hawk
Hawke
Hawken
Hawkenson
Hawker
Hawkes
Hawkesworth
Hawkey
Hawkin
Hawking
Hawkings
Hawkins
Hawkinson
Hawks
Hawksley
Hawksworth

These are all names with European origin, it is true. However, to assume things about a character with a last name of European origin is idiotic. I, personally, have met people with names off this list of all different backgrounds, ethnicities, religions, and personalities. So please, do not begin to assume things based off of a name. It's ridiculous, it's akin to several forms of discrimination, and it makes you look silly. If you have legitimate arguments with basis in dev statements, that's one thing. But making your opinion based off of a name? Please.

[Drasanil]

David Gaider wrote...

And in tabletop I would say it's a bad player who insists on forcing the GM to accomodate his personal desire to play a tiefling shadowdancer

 

I agree. I’ve played and GMed RPGs before and sometimes certain characters just don’t fit in.

However, that said I did make an effort to accommodate my players: no single predefined character, or group thereof, was the only answer.

As long as we could provide a reason for a given character being involved without straining credulity I would allow it.

(ahem-- no personal experience here, I assure you)

I wouldn’t know, I was raised on WFRP and later WFRP(2) tieflings were never an issue

because they came to the table with a predefined notion of what character they wanted to play, one that had no basis in the story they wanted to tell. As I said, it's a collaborative process. It requires buy-in from both sides.

Of course, I understand that if you come to table with a predefined ready built character in mind, then there is a fairly good chance you will be disappointed. However, a good story/session/game would at least allow for some leeway as to what manner of character you play, hence the collaborative effort.

That said, a GM has a handful of players he needs to accomodate. That is really where the analogy ends, don't you think?

True, but you were the first to bring it up

Err... okay. And you know this how? I find it funny only because I could probably find posts that said this exact type of thing-- ho hum I have to save the world AGAIN? Can't you think of anything new? --about DAO , that bastion of thought and creativity, when it was announced.

I assure you, I was not part of that crowd.

I thought DAO was awesome and I was looking forward to having a top of the line RPG where I had some manner of choice with regards to what character I could play, even if they didn’t entirely fit my notion of what I wanted. Unlike the Witcher, which I got bored with after chapter two, or the original Fable which I only bothered to finish once I discovered a way around the stupid aging system.

Okay, sure, I'll play your game, oh ye of little faith. I guess you'll see eventually, won't you?

I’ll be honest, I find myself in a peculiar position as far as DA2 is concerned. On the one hand I hope the game is good and that it does succeed, because good games are good and I really do like Bioware and I want you guys to succeed. That said, part of me is also hoping that DA2 fails where DAO succeeded, so that the next time around you guys won’t force another “Hawke” character on us.

[JamieCOTC]

David Gaider wrote...

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Being attached and wishing that you could continue a story which is already over, however, is not the same as there being nothing in a new story to get attached to. If that were the case we would only experience one good story ever, and then spend the rest of our lives wishing that every new story revisited that one.
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Well, then it’s over. That’s good to know.  DA:O was a great game, one of my favorites. I had countless hours of enjoyment out of this, so for that, thank you.   I got attached to not only my Wardens, but many of the NPCs.  To add, I do look forward to seeing what comes of DA2.  There are some changes I’m not sure about, but it’s early yet.  I’ll certainly give it a chance.  As for the Warden, it’s sad to see her/him go, but all good stories must end.  I understand that and have no problem playing a new character.  It’s not like I’m still playing my Dagger Fall character.    All that said, I do have one criticism.  That’s the ending of Awakening.  As I said, I’m fine w/ the Warden’s story being over.  I just wish it had ended in style.  For me, it didn’t and that’s a damn shame. 
I know Awakening was an expansion and wasn’t necessary; that it extended the Warden’s story for those who wanted a little more.  All I can say is, I still wish it had a better ending. For everything else, thank you. 

As for the Warden's story continuing in style, well, I guess that's why God created fanfic. 

[Hulk Hsieh]

If you want to play the same character, you really should check Mass Effect 2.

It is a game that let you play the same character and import your choices from Mass Effect 1.

It is even better that you will play the same character in Mass effect 3, too.

[Onyx Jaguar]

He says he won't play ME 3 because its not the RPG



Which last time I checked, RPGs are illegal where I live and I don't think a Software developer would distribute such objects. I usually have to go out east for that kind of action.