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[Arttis]

David Gaider wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


Err... okay. And you know this how? I find it funny only because I could probably find posts that said this exact type of thing-- ho hum I have to save the world AGAIN? Can't you think of anything new? --about DAO , that bastion of thought and creativity, when it was announced.

Except you are avoiding the obvious-Dragon Age offered us several characters to choose from. Dragon Age 2 offers only one. You have no choice of changing that character if you don't like him.

Which changes nothing about what I said, as it's still "the Grey Warden" and nobody among the ho hum crowd thought that the fact that they could choose an origin or a first name made up for the fact that the concept of the story didn't immediately shower them with sparkles when they first heard it.

But I can see this is going to be a circular argument with you. Well, fair enough. I've said my piece.

I will say that one part about saving the world from a terrible evil is still a bad part of DA:O.The ending felt classic and old...stale...moldy....epilogue I really liked seeing what happens in the future instead of thats it.DA2 sounds like what fable should have been.Maybe we should only play a character with no name...I wonder what people would say.

[Ulicus]

Arttis wrote...
DA2 sounds like what fable should have been

YES! Seriously, one of the reasons I'm so excited about DA2 is that it seems to be doing all the cool bits of Fable -- in addition to its own stuff, obviously -- without tacking on crap, sub-Pratchett, wannabe Pythonesque "humour".

Remember when they were billing Fable's setting as being inspired by the Brothers Grimm? What the hell ever happened to that? That'd have been awesome.

I like Fable well enough, don't get me wrong, but it could have been so much more than it is.

[Riona45]

Hawksblud wrote...
These are all names with European origin, it is true. However, to assume things about a character with a last name of European origin is idiotic. I, personally, have met people with names off this list of all different backgrounds, ethnicities, religions, and personalities. So please, do not begin to assume things based off of a name. It's ridiculous, it's akin to several forms of discrimination, and it makes you look silly. If you have legitimate arguments with basis in dev statements, that's one thing. But making your opinion based off of a name? Please.

Agreed, for example there are plenty of people with European surnames who are not white.  In fact I know someone with the name Scott (the name used before) who isn't white.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Every time I see Scott I think of Bioware being Clevon Little and us being the mob



"You'd do it for Randolph Scott"

[Erebusd13]

Hmm if DA2 were to include some of Fable's attempt to integrate a character into a quasi-life (homes, family etc) but actually made it pertinent to the story and character that would be quite an accomplishment. Heh if they just borrowed Fable's buy your own name feature the whole Hawke debate could have been avoided

[Saibh]

Erebusd13 wrote...

Hmm if DA2 were to include some of Fable's attempt to integrate a character into a quasi-life (homes, family etc) but actually made it pertinent to the story and character that would be quite an accomplishment. Heh if they just borrowed Fable's buy your own name feature the whole Hawke debate could have been avoided

Of course, then it'd make it that much harder to have conversations with people, since they'd have to make ten other lines with that same title. You don't talk to people in Fable. You fart at them.

[joriandrake]

Saibh wrote...

Erebusd13 wrote...

Hmm if DA2 were to include some of Fable's attempt to integrate a character into a quasi-life (homes, family etc) but actually made it pertinent to the story and character that would be quite an accomplishment. Heh if they just borrowed Fable's buy your own name feature the whole Hawke debate could have been avoided

Of course, then it'd make it that much harder to have conversations with people, since they'd have to make ten other lines with that same title. You don't talk to people in Fable. You fart at them.

... fart?

[Saibh]

joriandrake wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Erebusd13 wrote...

Hmm if DA2 were to include some of Fable's attempt to integrate a character into a quasi-life (homes, family etc) but actually made it pertinent to the story and character that would be quite an accomplishment. Heh if they just borrowed Fable's buy your own name feature the whole Hawke debate could have been avoided

Of course, then it'd make it that much harder to have conversations with people, since they'd have to make ten other lines with that same title. You don't talk to people in Fable. You fart at them.

... fart?

Never played the game, have you?

[joriandrake]

I played Fable 1, don't remember farting in it, and I never played Fable 2

[Onyx Jaguar]

Our you flex your muscle or laugh, or hold up a man's head. Word

[Bahlgan]

if we don't like the turn this franchise is taking, we should post our opinions on the matter.

Agreed. Anyone who doesn't believe in public opinion clearly needs to hit sunlight more often.

[Hawksblud]

Ahh, Fable. xD I only ever played TLC but it wasn't a favorite. The quests were largely uninteresting, IMO.

Bahlgan wrote...

if we don't like the turn this franchise is taking, we should post our opinions on the matter.

Agreed. Anyone who doesn't believe in public opinion clearly needs to hit sunlight more often.

Perhaps, but there is a line between stating opinions, and acting as though we are entitled to command the devs to spend hundreds of hours and plenty of dollars making exactly the game each of us feels he or she deserves.

Modifié par Hawksblud, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:30 .

[In Exile]

Kordaris wrote...

Ah but the issue is not if my profiling is correct. The issue is that it exists in the first place and creates your image.

As someone who might be Christian or Jewish or Muslim, who might live anywhere in Europe or North America...? Well, that just narrows it down to any one of 3 billion people.

[Arttis]

Fable 2 I played the lute for the townspeople a lot.

I also danced...extorted money from people and so much more.

Saying only fart is dumb.

[Bahlgan]

Perhaps, but there is a line between stating opinions, and acting as though we are entitled to command the devs to spend hundreds of hours and plenty of dollars making exactly the game each of us feels he or she deserves.

I personally do not command anyone, simply request.



But I got a quick and personal question for you, or anyone: I mentioned this earlier in a separate thread, but do you know the quality of work Best Buy's Geek Squad produces?



See, every time I feel and/or am cheated by a service for my money, which is my lifeblood, I start removing all kindness from my heart and filling it with the necessity to call out those miscreants on robbing blind and "filling pockets with blood".



And as far as the money goes, that's what money is for; making games, well not JUST making games, but making products that work at least as well as a two-dollar jack-in-the-box. In other words, it is not the namby pamby choices, but rather the bugs and glitches I am worried about.

[Lyssistr]

 Most of what the OP said isn't a mistake, it's just his perception of how DA2 should be is in conflict with Bioware's perception, and I trust Bioware more than the OP on this.

 If however 1UP if correct, devs stepped in and said that sample is not representative - so it may not be representative, and they are releasing a fantasy hack & slash at the given time period. This is a mistake and it will show up in sales.

[SirGladiator]

Obviously all we can go on is what relatively little we already know, and for whatever reason a lot of it isn't especially good. Certainly its possible, for example, that the demo isn't representative. Of course its 'their' demo, its not like somebody stole an early version of the game and showed it to the world saying 'look how bad this is!', if its bad its because they themselves put it out badly. Obviously most of the changes we've heard about have gone over pretty poorly, but there's plenty of time between now and the release date for things to get improved. There's really no sense in defending bad decisions, the good decisions (such as adding voice to the main character) should be applauded, and the bad decisions (like cutting out the ability to play as anything but a human) should be criticized. If you're just 100% negative or 100% positive you're probably letting some kind of bias get in the way of seeing things as they truly are. Now is the time to make it clear what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong, so they can keep going in the right directions while changing what is wrong, while there's still time to do so.

[Dave of Canada]

David Gaider wrote...

Thing is, it's a new name, and one that (unsurprisingly) carries connotations as any name would. If you think it's bad, you really should have heard some of the alternate suggestions.

Do you mind sharing some? I'm interested.

[Captain Jazz]

I've got a hamster called 'Arseface'...

[AntiChri5]

Captain Jazz wrote...

I've got a hamster called 'Arseface'...

I've got a brother called arseface.

At least, that's what i call him.

[ImoenBaby]

Erebusd13 wrote...

I know one surefire way to sell me on a preset character; he must named Blackadder, be voiced by Rowan Atkinson, and have an inept radish obsessed dog named Baldric.

...Hugh Laurie would also be acceptable.

Erebusd, you won me with your portrait. But when you brought in Hugh Laurie, you had me for life!

[Flurdt Vash]

WOW, this thread is better then a pay for UFC event! 

Seriously though, we dont know anything yet guys. Hawke could very well be the LAST name of the character, in that respect it would be NO different then when playing DA:O because you dont get to change the last name anyway, and no one but us ever sees the first name ... well us and our beloved profiles.

Im a little disenchanted by the fact that I cant chose a different race, but thats not gonna make or brake the game,

Its true lolimbo, we DID see Flemeth, but remember, she is a very old and powerful Abomination. Hell, maybe that scene only happens if you DIDNT kill her DA:O (we hade a choice, remember?), maybe its just from the preset story they have .... they did say there would be a preset Lore in the event that it was a new player to the Dragon Age games and never played threw Origins. Also, SERIOUSLY, how many times have YOU killed a fantasy character in a video game and they have returned to mock you later? I think thats happened to me about as many times I have saved the world with a band of nobodies from an Ancient Evil that rose to power under the nose of the planets inhabitants,

I cant even begin to tell you how many times I have ran threw DA:O .... ohhh BioWare, you have so very much of my money lol. I have a copy on PS3 and PC, including Awakeing, and my wife has a copy of DA and Awakening on her PC. Im playing the game now actually ... well its paused and Im joing the frey here ... seemed like fun.

DA:O is amazing, I think we all agree, and even BioWare has said many, many, MANY times that there sill not done with DA:O content, so our Wardens arent done yet. So, no fear there, but seriously Hawke may wind up being pretty amazing considering that we can make him/her our own. This game is not DAO2 its DA 2. If you want a DAO2 then lets pray that BioWare gives us another Expansion ... yes one more expansion would be nice. Take the Cap to 50 and give us a good epic ending for the Warden ... the end of Awakening was kinda anticlamatic ..... errr I mean wow, I got side tracked for a second. 

All Im trying to say if, We dont know enough yet to lite the torch and get the pitch fork, now ... if Mr Gaider had gotten on here and said " Dragon Age 2 will be a direct tie in to Mass Effect 3 .... it will be a dream sequance and you wake up etc etc etc ..."  Then I could see the reason behind the angrey mob, but right now ..... have some faith. :innocent:

Honestly guys. BioWare LOVES there fan base, they have been listening to us taking cues from our feedback since NWN. I myself am nervous and I think Im a pretty strong BioWare fan, bottom line is, I dont think there gonna screw us. Not BioWare.

Sony ...... maybe. 

Modifié par Flurdt07, 26 juillet 2010 - 10:33 .

[R_Mckay]

I loved playing DAO and DAA, but I'm also ready for something new, so let me put my warden aside for awhile, eventho I'm dying to know what happens to him and his baby with morrigan (the god child who as the events that are to unfold in DA2 is yet to have been born).... and let me see how Hawke and DA2 pan out, honestly I want difficult choices, things that would surprise me in the end at how it works itself out and the implications and "far reaching" world consequences of making the choices in that ten year period....then after that ten year span of DA2 and Hawke bring me back to the DAO storyline for DA3 at which point the world  would have changed sufficiently enough for me to take in stock all that has happened THEDAS and then with the birth of the god baby... start the dawn of a new age Demon baby age (DBA) lol  or whatever people seem to forget that Dragon Age is just that, an "Age" in the world of Thedas it will pass and be replaced by another Age.

after seeing the screenshots, I'm a little bit disappointed at the way it looks it seems rather bland... as compared to say screens from Gothic 4 (just for comparison only) that may change as more info is revealed I guess or release the tools so the mod community can tinker with it (luv the mod DAO redesign!).... as for everything else like combat, dialogue wheel, etc, I'll take a cautious wait and see attitude and try not to dismiss the whole thing without seeing anything "playable" to judge DA2, kinda remembered an editor of a computer magazine once when he asked his reviewers to work/review only with "playable code" and not screenshots and word of mouth...

show me a working demo, with full implementation of the features that bio is putting in then I will decide if its worth the money to buy it and not before... my two bits on the matter..

Modifié par R_Mckay, 26 juillet 2010 - 04:35 .