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[Daerog]

filetemo wrote...

the thing who decided the destiny of the world is the blight, any other thing hapenning while that happened matters not, hence why hawke's rise to power is a tale I do not want to hear because any power he can achieve is thanks to the real hero's fighting the archdemon when he was doing whatever in the free marches. Without the archdemon dead, there's no little hawke rising to champion of somewhere.

So whatever his story is, it's tainted because he was not where he had to be, fighting for ferelden.

Completely reasonable from a personal standpoint. However, it's likely that he started doing heroic stuff after the fall of the archdemon. He was probably just running for his life during the time of the Blight and trying to survive when he was probably forced to leave Lothering.
His legend will never be as amazing as the Warden who stopped the Blight "before it even began."
I think I'll still enjoy it though, not everyone saves the world.

[In Exile]

The Warden absolutely felt like Bioware's hero. I could never play, say, a mage who happened to be a Grey Warden. You were forced to play a Grey Warden who happened to be a mage.The identity of the Grey Warden was what had to be the driving force behind your identity. You had no choice in that.

My hero never wanted to be a Warden despite saving Ferelden. But he had to be. And that was the railroading.

[derkaderka-]

oh i liked me2 for what it was worth. though i found it to be a little restricted compared to me1. it actually reminded me of the shallowness of design of awakening compared to dao. i mean awakening and me2 had a lot of similarities/shortcomings that i didn't like. both had the template of recruit, side quest, abrupt quick ending. not much build up in story. nothing as deep as me1 or dao. sure it was polished but shepards inability to change the world around him was pretty lame. dialogue was set in stone. the story was on rails.



if anything its an indicator of what we can expect from bioware in the future. i still think me2 is goty right now, but thats because i think bfbc2 and rdr were both over hyped console experiences that were only fun for a short while.

[filetemo]

franchise franchise franchise...can't you guys say anything else? franchises can be expanded in clever ways, this is not, it's the direct sequel of the first game. DA is not "yet" a franchise, it has to be succesful in its first steps or it will never become a fully expanded franchise, if they screw up the direct sequel of the first installment of the franchise, we won't get no more DA thus ending the IP or selling it.

[Skilled Seeker]

Kordaris wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

The franchise is called Dragon Age. It is about the Dragon Age and the important events that transpired during it. It is not called "Grey Warden or "The Blight". Thedas is bigger than the one story, Thedas is bigger than Ferelden.

It was heavily implied that DAO is the start of a series concerning your character.  

Um thats Mass Effect. Bioware have never stated that the DA series will concern the same character, on the contrary they have suggested otherwise. Now you're just pulling lies out of your ass.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:23 .

[Anathemic]

In Exile wrote...

The Warden absolutely felt like Bioware's hero. I could never play, say, a mage who happened to be a Grey Warden. You were forced to play a Grey Warden who happened to be a mage.The identity of the Grey Warden was what had to be the driving force behind your identity. You had no choice in that.
My hero never wanted to be a Warden despite saving Ferelden. But he had to be. And that was the railroading.

Of course the Warden is BioWare's hero, and no you weren't a Grey Warden who happened to be a mage, because you didn't start off as a Grey Warden. In the mage origin you are a mage who is recruited into the Grey Wardens not start off as being a Grey Warden mage.
Sure in the end you had to be a Grey Warden, but that's what all the origin stories in DA:O are, the person the character was before being a Grey Warden, either forced or accepted. Yes the Warden is pre-determined and railroaded but it is much wider that say the character Hawke, why?
Well Hawke is not an ambigious title like the Warden, so off the bat you are Hawke, and what's more you are a human, there's no elf or dwarf Hawkes, there's only one Hawke and that Hawke is human. What is more, Hawke is not a title is a predetermiend surname, so the character is already forced into the family of Hawke.
Sure in DA:O you had predetermiend surnames (which sounded honestly better and fitted the Dragon Age genre) but you had the ability to 'choose' the surname/path you wanted to embark in, which is a main factor in a RPG, choice. Basically in the creation of Hawke I can only say the only thing you can change is the class/gender/appearence.

[filetemo]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

filetemo wrote...

the thing who decided the destiny of the world is the blight, any other thing hapenning while that happened matters not, hence why hawke's rise to power is a tale I do not want to hear because any power he can achieve is thanks to the real hero's fighting the archdemon when he was doing whatever in the free marches. Without the archdemon dead, there's no little hawke rising to champion of somewhere.

So whatever his story is, it's tainted because he was not where he had to be, fighting for ferelden.

Completely reasonable from a personal standpoint. However, it's likely that he started doing heroic stuff after the fall of the archdemon. He was probably just running for his life during the time of the Blight and trying to survive when he was probably forced to leave Lothering.
His legend will never be as amazing as the Warden who stopped the Blight "before it even began."
I think I'll still enjoy it though, not everyone saves the world.

exactly.
"no saving the world, no ancient evil"
the sequel lost epicness and grandiosity

[Aratham Darksight]

filetemo wrote...

exactly.
"no saving the world, no ancient evil"
the sequel lost epicness and grandiosity

You mean lost formulaicness and cliche, surely.

[Skilled Seeker]

Kordaris wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Um thats Mass Effect. Bioware have never stated that the DA series will concern the same character, on the contrary they have suggested otherwise. Now you're just pulling lies out of your ass.

I am quite sure adverts and marketing for DA promised us a trilogy and the save your saves for imports was quite suggestive.
I am starting to believe something within Bioware changed that concept...

No a trilogy was never promised, again that is Mass Effect. You are one confused individual.

[filetemo]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

filetemo wrote...

exactly.
"no saving the world, no ancient evil"
the sequel lost epicness and grandiosity

You mean lost formulaicness and cliche, surely.

from peasant to champion is not formulaic and clichey?

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

The franchise is called Dragon Age. It is about the Dragon Age and the important events that transpired during it. It is not called "Grey Warden or "The Blight". Thedas is bigger than the one story, Thedas is bigger than Ferelden.

It was heavily implied that DAO is the start of a series concerning your character.  Therefore there is no surprise that people feel cheated that their mighty Warend is going to be overshadowed by some unknown peasant named Hawke we heard nothing about.
Obviously either we were deceived into thinking we are going to continue our adventures-as it was very strongly suggested, or Bioware was forced to change the story of DA2.

You know, it really isn't. Plenty of people figured that the next game wouldn't concern the Warden--we had hints of it in the game, in these forums. You guessed wrong, you got the hints wrong, and I'm sorry you feel cheated, but you'll just have to deal with it. You aren't entitled to anything.

You can certainly make suggestions or complaints, but the devs choose whether to listen to them. If enough people have the same suggestion or complaint, the chances are raised whether they'll be implemented. You are a strict minority--and not a very eloquent one, at that. Perhaps if your arguments had stronger logic, and more facts backing them, rather than "I don't like how I don't think Hawke sounds like a fantasy hero's name", the developers and your fellow forumites would be more willing to listen.

[Faust1979]

did any of the complainers actually play the game? after the origin story the game largely plays the same. So I can pick to be a dwarf noble after that the 6 origin stories have little to do with what happens after except maybe a few minor things.

[Saibh]

filetemo wrote...

Aratham Darksight wrote...

filetemo wrote...

exactly.
"no saving the world, no ancient evil"
the sequel lost epicness and grandiosity

You mean lost formulaicness and cliche, surely.

from peasant to champion is not formulaic and clichey?

That wasn't the part you had a problem with, in that particular post. Again, you've never played the game. You don't know how "epic" it's going to feel. Because you're not psychic.

[Aratham Darksight]

Kordaris wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Um thats Mass Effect. Bioware have never stated that the DA series will concern the same character, on the contrary they have suggested otherwise. Now you're just pulling lies out of your ass.

I am quite sure adverts and marketing for DA promised us a series and the save your saves for imports was quite suggestive.
I am starting to believe something within Bioware changed that concept...

Can you still find any of these adverts and marketing materials?

Here is a comment on the topic by lead writer David Gaider, from 8 months ago.

[filetemo]

Saibh wrote...

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That wasn't the part you had a problem with, in that particular post. Again, you've never played the game. You don't know how "epic" it's going to feel. Because you're not psychic.

I know while I'm doing sidequests, somebody is killing an old god in ferelden saving my sorry ass, that is enough

[Anathemic]

Saibh wrote...

You know, it really isn't. Plenty of people figured that the next game wouldn't concern the Warden--we had hints of it in the game, in these forums. You guessed wrong, you got the hints wrong, and I'm sorry you feel cheated, but you'll just have to deal with it. You aren't entitled to anything.

You can certainly make suggestions or complaints, but the devs choose whether to listen to them. If enough people have the same suggestion or complaint, the chances are raised whether they'll be implemented. You are a strict minority--and not a very eloquent one, at that. Perhaps if your arguments had stronger logic, and more facts backing them, rather than "I don't like how I don't think Hawke sounds like a fantasy hero's name", the developers and your fellow forumites would be more willing to listen.

 Which is what people are doing, so why state this if you come here and try to end it? Why do people always state this and be hypocrticial about it?
We are all entitled to our opinions, and so we voice them, trying to stop them by saying "Back up your argument" (even though that would be better) is jsut being damn hypocritical. You can't say "You are welcome to make suggestions/complaints" and in the next post say "Alright this is stupid, get a better argument kthxbye"

[Erebusd13]

Hawke's background is fine, if narrow, though I suspect that the choices overall in the game will be far less complex than DAO. The voice acting itself will go a long way towards defining the character. For me Shepard sounded an awful lot like Michael Ironside so I simply made him bald and played the game as a Michael Ironside character. I think similarly the actor's interpretation of Hawke's character will go a long way towards defining which choice in game seem natural and which seem forced.



Of more concern is the defining of choices as good or evil...DAO generally had a more complex narrative where GvE was not readily applicable (such as what to do with demon possessed children). If the choices can really be broken down in such a way we will be losing a great deal of narrative complexity.

[Daerog]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Um thats Mass Effect. Bioware have never stated that the DA series will concern the same character, on the contrary they have suggested otherwise. Now you're just pulling lies out of your ass.

I am quite sure adverts and marketing for DA promised us a trilogy and the save your saves for imports was quite suggestive.
I am starting to believe something within Bioware changed that concept...

No a trilogy was never promised, again that is Mass Effect. You are one confused individual.

Where are people getting the "BioWare heavily implied that DA franchise/series would be about your warden." Well, considering your warden can die in DA:O, that shouldn't be the case then (don't start that canon bulls**t in this thread, please). I've only heard that they can do many stories in the 100 years that is the Dragon Age, which implies that they can do stories that are completely separate from each other.
The games where the Warden lives says his/her story isn't done yet, which is nothing in my eyes, as it merely means that BW won't completely drop the Warden, but neither do they have to include him/her later.
No where does BW promise or say that the Warden is the key figure in the DA franchise, if it's anyone, it's Morrigan. On that note, I think having her in DA2 would be too soon for her character.

[filetemo]

Kordaris wrote...

Aratham Darksight wrote...

Here is a comment on the topic by lead writer David Gaider, from 8 months ago.

The one where he simply writes that DA will focus on other events rather than Blight? Well that was obvious wasn't it?

there was another comment made by Gaider months ago where he stated as BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that in a direct sequel the main character has to be the same because you've already invested a lot on him emotionally.

See how several months change things? Speaking of Gaider, his postings on the forums have been converting from developer insight to a slightly more corporative blabbering tone. He used to speak about plot and writing, now he's all about cutting costs and mainstream market oriented decisions