SirShreK wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
I, on the other hand, believe Thedas is big enough to have more than just one hero.
Unless suddenly that hero becomes the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in entire Thedas.
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The previous game told us darkspawn is the biggest threat to existance. They are going to change not only the game style but the setting as well?Herr Uhl wrote...
We don't know yet. But there is more stuff to Thedas as a setting than darkspawn.
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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
SirShreK wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
I, on the other hand, believe Thedas is big enough to have more than just one hero.
Unless suddenly that hero becomes the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in entire Thedas.
Probably has something to do with that dragon hand of his. Bah, the Archon is the most important person in the entire world which Thedas is only a part of. Tevinter Imperium will rise again!
SirShreK wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
Kordaris wrote...
This is what makes people angry. We are told that Hawke is a legend, we are
told to be amazed by him. But we already know the TRUE HERO. OUR Warden.
I, on the other hand, believe Thedas is big enough to have more than just one hero.
Unless suddenly that hero becomes the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in entire Thedas.
Kordaris wrote...
The previous game told us darkspawn is the biggest threat to existance. They are going to change not only the game style but the setting as well?Herr Uhl wrote...
We don't know yet. But there is more stuff to Thedas as a setting than darkspawn.
The whole Orlesian empire thing? Nothing to do with darkspawn. Whoops, maybe that was in the Mass Effect universe!Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 24 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .
Kordaris wrote...
Reduction of roleplay options from 7 to 1. Erasing option to play non-humans.Erasing choice of family.Erasing diverse backgrounds.Riona45 wrote...
I actually play tabletop games, and I am looking forward to DA2. There is no solid evidence, in my opinion, that what makes a game a roleplaying game is being tossed out for DA2.
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They matter to anyone who roleplays and imagines himself in the shoes of the hero.Faust1979 wrote...
but those diverse backgrounds didn't really matter all that much after the origins.
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Faust1979 wrote...
Kordaris wrote...
Reduction of roleplay options from 7 to 1. Erasing option to play non-humans.Erasing choice of family.Erasing diverse backgrounds.Riona45 wrote...
I actually play tabletop games, and I am looking forward to DA2. There is no solid evidence, in my opinion, that what makes a game a roleplaying game is being tossed out for DA2.
but those diverse backgrounds didn't really matter all that much after the origins. You could just play through the game once and then play all the origins and get the same experience. Plus there were a lot of choices and dilemas in the Mass Effect games. So I really don't see how they are limiting the roleplaying aspects.
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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I, on the other hand, believe Thedas is big enough to have more than just one hero.
Unless suddenly that hero becomes the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in entire Thedas.
Or, ya know, using what the devs actually said, the person who changed Thedas.
The Warden saved Ferelden--and arguably Thedas too. Hawke is the one who changes Thedas. They're both critically important heroes in the world, just in different ways and at different times.
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Kordaris wrote...
The previous game told us darkspawn is the biggest threat to existance. They are going to change not only the game style but the setting as well?Herr Uhl wrote...
We don't know yet. But there is more stuff to Thedas as a setting than darkspawn.
Modifié par filaminstrel, 24 juillet 2010 - 11:01 .
Duncan told you that, he is a Grey Warden, of course he'd say that. Most humans see the Qunari as a bigger threat than the darkspawn at the beginning of the game.Kordaris wrote...
The previous game told us darkspawn is the biggest threat to existance. They are going to change not only the game style but the setting as well?Herr Uhl wrote...
We don't know yet. But there is more stuff to Thedas as a setting than darkspawn.
SirShreK wrote...
It just my Hypocracy sense tingling, and it could be a false positive, but I thought that there were no cliche stories in DA 2.
Modifié par Saibh, 24 juillet 2010 - 11:02 .
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Saibh wrote...
SirShreK wrote...
It just my Hypocracy sense tingling, and it could be a false positive, but I thought that there were no cliche stories in DA 2.
Are you trying to say "Hypocrisy"? I don't see where Sable's been a hypocrite. I don't remember her saying the story will be the most original, least-cliched game ever produced. Unless I've misunderstood you, SirShreK.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Duncan told you that, he is a Grey Warden, of course he'd say that. Most humans see the Qunari as a bigger threat than the darkspawn at the beginning of the game.Kordaris wrote...
The previous game told us darkspawn is the biggest threat to existance. They are going to change not only the game style but the setting as well?Herr Uhl wrote...
We don't know yet. But there is more stuff to Thedas as a setting than darkspawn.
And then we have this little tidbit from Flemeth: "Men's hearts hold shadows darker than any tainted creature"
Anathemic wrote...
Starcraft 2 characters are more interesting than Hawke, that's my opinion
Anathemic wrote...
Also a quote from Flemeth: "A wise choice, always be aware or is it simply oblivious? I can never remember."
Yeah me not taking Flemeth seriously
Kordaris wrote...
First of all with the name like Hawke his place is on the farm not on pedestal of heroes.
But please, do point where we learn about the peasant Hawke in DAO.
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Riona45 wrote...
I don't understand why it friggin matters. IIRC, the devs themselves have said that the franchise is supposed to be about Thedas, the setting, during the Dragon Age. It's not specifically about the Warden who ended the Fifth Blight. What on earth is wrong with seeing the setting from the perspective of a new character? This isn't something new--new characters are created all the time.
SirShreK wrote...
Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I, on the other hand, believe Thedas is big enough to have more than just one hero.
Unless suddenly that hero becomes the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in entire Thedas.
Or, ya know, using what the devs actually said, the person who changed Thedas.
The Warden saved Ferelden--and arguably Thedas too. Hawke is the one who changes Thedas. They're both critically important heroes in the world, just in different ways and at different times.
It just my Hypocrisy sense tingling, and it could be a false positive, but I thought that there were no cliche stories in DA 2.
EDIT: Corrected quotation.
Erebusd13 wrote...
I think part of the reason the names didn't bother people in the first one was because of the title of Warden...you almost never heard the actual family surname...in fact the only one from the game I actually remember is Cousland. It easier to think of your character as only possessing the name you have given them when they are only addressed by their title.
It goes towards suspension of disbelief when one only hears the character's title it is easier to think they are still playing the own character Oscar the Terrible or whatever rather than the named protagonist. With a name like Hawke I know there is no way I'll be able to play the character as anything other than an archer (or is spiked shoulderpads are available a bombabstic professional wrestler).
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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
No, there will be cliche stories in DA2. Tropes Are Not Bad. There ARE no new stories when it comes to this kind of sword-and-spells fantasy, just different ways of implementing. DA2 is not about an epic quest or saving the world from a great evil. It still rings with tropes, just not the same tropes as DA:O.
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So are ****** and Sidebottam. Why not use them? When I play fantasy games, I want fantasy-like sounding names for my characters. Not Blair, not ******, not Bush and not Hawke.Riona45 wrote...
Hawke is a real life English surname. I'm no history expert, but a forumite here who claimed to know a little about history said it was the surname of an 18th century English naval officer. Fereldan names seem to come from or be based on names from the British Isles, so this seems perfectly appropriate to me.
Fantasy terminology always had a special rules really. You won't find a John Smith the Ruler of Cartharnar and Destroyer of Rak'sh Empire.Besides, I thought Hero status was based on deeds, not names.
Except it was heavily implied we will continue adventures, and they were several lose ends.I don't understand why it friggin matters. IIRC, the devs themselves have said that the franchise is supposed to be about Thedas, the setting, during the Dragon Age. It's not specifically about the Warden who ended the Fifth Blight. What on earth is wrong with seeing the setting from the perspective of a new character?
Not in DA2. Here you can create only one character.This isn't something new--new characters are created all the time.
Considering BW's other rpg's, you are surprised?Drasanil wrote...
The problem with Hawke, and what I believe most of us are objecting to, is that Hawke represents a fundamental lack of choice.
Admittedly, in DAO our choices were limited, we had to be The Warden, but at least we could choose who The Warden was. This in a sense was also limited, but at least you were given the opportunity to choose that which suited you best from a plethora of substantially different backgrounds.
In DA2 these choices have been made for you before the game even begins, you’re no longer playing A Character of your choosing, you’re playing The Character of Bioware’s choosing, your name is Hawke, you are human, you are from Lothering, and that’s that.
For those people who like playing humans, or only ever play humans, that’s not a big deal you’re not really losing all that much, if there had been more choices, you would have probably gone with the Hawke-equivalent any ways. For those of us who like crafting our own characters or simply find humans incredibly mundane and uninspired in a Fantasy RPG this is a big deal, Bioware flat out cut out one of the main draws for us in DA2.
DA2’s Hawke is the bland gruel of mediocrity to DAO’s buffet, he is the safe boring choice that just about everyone can stomach and that will appeal best to the mass-market with the least effort. Coming from Bioware, who have a reputation for making awesome RPGs, this feels like a massive cop-out and it’s very disappointing.
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