Kordaris wrote...
Guys keep quiet. We don't want Bioware to get ideas about DA3.SirShreK wrote...
DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
1. It's Mortal Kombat, a classic game I still remember playing the first one when I was a kid.
I have nothing against Mortal Combat. I played Tekken AND PS:T approx. the same time.
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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
With voiced you do worry about VA and as a developer you want that VA to be properly acknowledged by the players. So to speak.
Rogue Unit wrote...
Yes because a handful of Templars, mind you templars that couldnt even get rid of a few bandits can take on an army of darkspawn.
Modifié par Rogue Unit, 24 juillet 2010 - 11:54 .
SirShreK wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
With voiced you do worry about VA and as a developer you want that VA to be properly acknowledged by the players. So to speak.
So If I read you correctly:
If the complete dialogue is available I would not care much about the VA and NOT listen to the dialogue and just read it. Right? (I actually do that BTW, so do not think it is sarcasm).
SirOccam wrote...
Do you blame the Grey Warden for that, as well?filetemo wrote...
we do not blame him for leaving, but for not returning.
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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Yes, most people would do that
filetemo wrote...
we do not blame him for leaving, but for not returning.
I can garuntee you that most people who play RPG's tend to get emotional over the gameRogue Unit wrote...
Kordaris you're way too emotional about this game.
Kordaris wrote...
So are ****** and Sidebottam. Why not use them? When I play fantasy games, I want fantasy-like sounding names for my characters. Not Blair, not ******, not Bush and not Hawke.
Not in DA2. Here you can create only one character.
He's gone from the initial long-winded post to an irrational hatred of all peasants. It's been interesting to watch.Rogue Unit wrote...
Kordaris you're way too emotional about this game.
SirShreK wrote...
DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
1. It's Mortal Kombat, a classic game I still remember playing the first one when I was a kid.
I have nothing against Mortal Combat. I played Tekken AND PS:T approx. the same time.
ARGHHH!!! ITS WITH A K! KOMBAT! MORTAL KOMBAT!
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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
SirShreK wrote...
DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
1. It's Mortal Kombat, a classic game I still remember playing the first one when I was a kid.
I have nothing against Mortal Combat. I played Tekken AND PS:T approx. the same time.
That's what I meant, I'm just kidding around.
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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Why would someone return to a nation that has suffered from civil war and a Blight when they can make a better living elsewhere? His home was destroyed, he lost everything, what would he return to?
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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Drasanil wrote...
Yes, even knowing Bioware's history, I am actually surprised.
Which is why it is doubly disappointing. DAO was made in the same mould as NWN and Baldur's Gate and it never even occurred to me that Bioware wouldn’t include at least some element of choice as to who your character is as opposed to forcing their character on you like they did for their other franchises.
I may not be surprised with DA2, but that doesn't mean that DA3 will be like DA2 or DA:O. Am I disappointed with the limited choices? Sure, but I think it's for story purposes, which I can forgive if that's the case.
Here's to the optimistic "maybe next time." I hope DA3 will be more open with choices.
SirShreK wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Yes, most people would do that
So can I ask you, why in your opinion the VA move has been planned, when the money wasted on it is redundant if simply written dialogue were provided?
SirOccam wrote...
You claimed the origins were important in DAO to people who "like to roleplay," yet you persist in assuming Hawke has one personality and one motivation (cowardice) that are totally immutable. It's like arguing with a brick wall. You want to hate it so bad, then go right ahead. But shoving your asinine speculations and assertions down everyone's throat is just annoying. If you've accurately determined that the game is so bad, then why do you still hang around on the forums dedicated to such a crappy game?
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Generally if you look at Bioware's curve since NWN, you have seen modular improvements on the story telling engine. NWN-KOTOR-Jade Empire-Mass Effect
Bioware were pretty much ahead of the curve.
Then they made Dragon Age in parallel. Dragon Age is different because it is a bit like KOTOR with old school gameplay mechanics. But it still had quite a bit of cinematic flair to it.
However a silent protagonist in the way that it was presented in DA was not up to par with the current trend.
If you look at it the dialogue wheel in ME was kind of a genious move because you did have to pay attention to what you were saying. It allowed for a more active presentation.
Dragon Age was a bit more passive and gameplay oriented. You had the big cutscenes and whatnot, but things were being directed at your choices rather than your character in the storyline.
I suppose this is fine for roleplaying, but when you apply this to Bioware's curve it seems a bit off.
BIoware is good at adapting a variety of different "good" to "ok" gameplay mechancis but in the end package the games themselves are much better than the sum of their parts. Dragon Age is no different, where Dragon Age is different however is that it bucks the forward trend of how Bioware has been making presentation and in effect are in the strange position of competiting with themselves using different systems.
I would expect that this was a move more for storytelling and standardizing their format in the character perspective. As their games are already rather standardized (with the exception of Jade Empire) in level presentation. But I think that they will not standardize how the games themselves play because each of their games play different from each other, and they have multiple teams.
Presentation adds cost, VA for a main character is a big issue for presentation as they have a lot of dialogue. For some players having a voiceless protagonist cuts off much of the presenation. While others would prefer to fill in the dots if you will (I am not one of them). The dialogue wheel or similar system allows for full implementation of VA and allows for more freedom in cinematic presentation. As if you look at many games where you essentially choose what your character says and then they say exactly what they say, the presentation is often static.
Anathemic wrote...
I can garuntee in DA2 Hawke will not go back to Lothering and kill those specific darkspawn that destroyed the village
In Exile wrote...
Anathemic wrote...
I can garuntee in DA2 Hawke will not go back to Lothering and kill those specific darkspawn that destroyed the village
So? Cousland Jr. was still a coward for running away. Who cares if he grew up to defeat the Blight and take revenge on Howe? What makes someone a coward is one choice at one particular instance in their life and absolutely nothing else can redeem it. This is why Hawke is a coward.
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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Presentation adds cost, VA for a main character is a big issue for presentation as they have a lot of dialogue. For some players having a voiceless protagonist cuts off much of the presenation. While others would prefer to fill in the dots if you will (I am not one of them). The dialogue wheel or similar system allows for full implementation of VA and allows for more freedom in cinematic presentation. As if you look at many games where you essentially choose what your character says and then they say exactly what they say, the presentation is often static.
Modifié par SirShreK, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:14 .
filetemo wrote...
to join the bannorn's army for example
a blight is not regular war, if not stopped it would destroy thedas, so thjere's no safer place in the long term.
In Exile wrote...
Anathemic wrote...
I can garuntee in DA2 Hawke will not go back to Lothering and kill those specific darkspawn that destroyed the village
So? Cousland Jr. was still a coward for running away. Who cares if he grew up to defeat the Blight and take revenge on Howe? What makes someone a coward is one choice at one particular instance in their life and absolutely nothing else can redeem it. This is why Hawke is a coward.
Modifié par Anathemic, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:16 .
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