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[Face of Evil]

 I've seen a couple of references in gaming articles to "orcs and goblins" in DA2. I assume this is a mistake on the part of the writers and they are actually referring to genlocks and hurlocks. Still, the fact that a few different articles have made me pause: is DA2 actually introducing goblins and orcs? Honestly, that would be a misstep, as darkspawn more than adequately fill the role of monster mooks. There's no need to shoehorn in D&D monsters that don't fit with the setting.

As I said, I assume this is an error made on the part of the reviewers — we all make mistakes — but could someone clear this up?

[Grommash94]

It is a mistake...orcs and goblins don't exist in DA lore.

[epoch_]

They were no doubt talking about hurlocks and genlocks. The writer was absolutely clueless.

[lv12medic]

I think they're either writing out of ignorance to the details, or writing something that a wider audience will understand. If someone hasn't played DA:O, they'd have no idea what a genlock or hurlock looks like, but a lot of people know what an orc or goblin kind of looks like (LOTR anyone?).

Modifié par lv12medic, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:06 .

[David Gaider]

I suppose it can be forgiven for some people thinking all "orc-like" monsters are essentially the same-- but, no, the darkspawn are just darkspawn.

[JergenKajaton]

Probably a mistake. I mean, hurlocks and genlocks pretty much already are orcs and goblins, they're just not called that. At the very least, they don't deviate from D&D orcs and goblins any more than DA ogres deviate from D&D ogres, and they didn't bother changing that name.

Adding orcs and goblins when they already have hurlocks and genlocks would be redundant. Those niches are already filled in the DA universe.

[Face of Evil]

Kordaris wrote...

There is also possibility that Bioware is targeting a new group of players who could be confused by other terms than orc or goblin. DA2 is going to be a simpler, more combat orientated game so I am guessing they are trying to fit into the tastes of people who prefer simple, combat games.

And they would be confused by calling the various monsters "darkspawn"?

epoch_ wrote...

They were no doubt talking about hurlocks and genlocks. The writer was absolutely clueless.

That is my suspicion as well, though I did note a couple of articles mentioning goblins and orcs. 

[Face of Evil]

David Gaider wrote...



I suppose it can be forgiven for some people thinking all "orc-like" monsters are essentially the same-- but, no, the darkspawn are just darkspawn.

Ah. That clears it up then.



I appreciate the timely reply. Thank you, and keep up the good work.

[epoch_]

Face of Evil wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

There is also possibility that Bioware is targeting a new group of players who could be confused by other terms than orc or goblin. DA2 is going to be a simpler, more combat orientated game so I am guessing they are trying to fit into the tastes of people who prefer simple, combat games.

And they would be confused by calling the various monsters "darkspawn"?

epoch_ wrote...

They were no doubt talking about hurlocks and genlocks. The writer was absolutely clueless.

That is my suspicion as well, though I did note a couple of articles mentioning goblins and orcs. 

Well as someone has already pointed out, those dont exist. So fear not.

[Saibh]

This spawned, I believe, from a dimwitted journalist who wrote an article declaring he didn't bother to learn what the name of the darkspawn were, because he wasn't that nerdy, so he just called them orcs. Not everyone got the joke. I'm sure he said this because he was currently at ComicCon, and it was hard to get that nerdy. Doesn't excuse poor writing skills.

EDIT: You know, it's strange. It's almost as if jumping to conclusions has led
people to believe a game they've never played is going to be poor...and
then they were proven wrong, if they bother taking the time to learn
the difference, or pay attention.

Huh.

Modifié par Saibh, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:12 .

[Saibh]

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Modifié par Saibh, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:12 .

[Daewan]

As someone who has gotten free passes to events in exchange for writing an article, I consider that unforgivable. That journalist pass comes with a responsibility. In my opinion, someone who wrote such garbage should be asked to write a correction, or possibly a clarification (such as, "I'm writing on a topic that I know nothing about, so I'm going to use inaccurate terms. Please ignore everything after the byline."). Sadly, despite the fact that the video game industry is approaching the financial level of Hollywood, journalists still feel that they can get away with writing garbage because "they're just games."

[Face of Evil]

Saibh wrote...

This spawned, I believe, from a dimwitted journalist who wrote an article declaring he didn't bother to learn what the name of the darkspawn were, because he wasn't that nerdy, so he just called them orcs. Not everyone got the joke. I'm sure he said this because he was currently at ComicCon, and it was hard to get that nerdy. Doesn't excuse poor writing skills.

EDIT: You know, it's strange. It's almost as if jumping to conclusions has led
people to believe a game they've never played is going to be poor...and
then they were proven wrong, if they bother taking the time to learn
the difference, or pay attention.

I was merely confused about the inaccuracies in the articles I was reading and wanted clarification. When one article makes a mistake, I tend to ignore it, but when several people make the mistake, I wonder if I'm not the one who is actually in the wrong.

I have no fears about the new game and have no intention of jumping on the "RUINED FOREVER" bandwagon until I actually see the new game and judge it on its own merits.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:20 .

[BomimoDK]

David Gaider wrote...

I suppose it can be forgiven for some people thinking all "orc-like" monsters are essentially the same-- but, no, the darkspawn are just darkspawn.

the thing is, this is beyond sloppy. he should never have been chosen to write it if he's gonna Lazy through it. and now it's spreading all over the internet that Dragon Age is just more orc slasher. As gamers, our pride and love passion for this game got struck, no biggie, but this could have serious consequences as to how people view Dragon Age... the lore is vastly differen't from LOTR and other traditional fantasy universes. It's sloppy journalism if this doesn't sink in the moment you see the "orc" not looking orcish at all or an ogre with actual horns. of course, i might be forgetting to take future proper previews into consideration, but you might want to reconsider IGN as a previewer in the future... i would.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:24 .

[JergenKajaton]

Does anyone have a link to the article in question?

[Aratham Darksight]

JergenKajaton wrote...

Does anyone have a link to the article in question?

I hesitate to link the abomination, but...

IGN is too cool to know the correct terminology.
Eurogamer repeats their story.

1UP is also talking about orcs for some reason.

[Saibh]

Face of Evil wrote...

Saibh wrote...

This spawned, I believe, from a dimwitted journalist who wrote an article declaring he didn't bother to learn what the name of the darkspawn were, because he wasn't that nerdy, so he just called them orcs. Not everyone got the joke. I'm sure he said this because he was currently at ComicCon, and it was hard to get that nerdy. Doesn't excuse poor writing skills.

EDIT: You know, it's strange. It's almost as if jumping to conclusions has led
people to believe a game they've never played is going to be poor...and
then they were proven wrong, if they bother taking the time to learn
the difference, or pay attention.

I was merely confused about the inaccuracies in the articles I was reading and wanted clarification. When one article makes a mistake, I tend to ignore it, but when several people make the mistake, I wonder if I'm not the one who is actually in the wrong.

I have no fears about the new game and have no intention of jumping on the "RUINED FOREVER" bandwagon until I actually see the new game and judge it on its own merits.

Er, sorry, I was jibing at other people on the forum who jump to conclusions. My apologies! I should have specified.

[Khayness]

Hurlocks and Genlocks are called orcs and goblins in the review in order to accomodate new people to the franchise.

[Face of Evil]

"Today we got a taste of the new combat system with a mountaintop battle against an army of orcs. They might have been imps or goblins or demons, actually. We're not nerdy enough to know the difference."



-from IGN



HO HO HO



Yes, it certainly is nerdy to use the proper terminology. It's just too bad that they're too unprofessional to get things right.

[JergenKajaton]

IGN wrote...
Today we got a taste of the new combat system with a mountaintop battle against an army of orcs. They might have been imps or goblins or demons, actually. We're not nerdy enough to know the difference.

Yeah, that's pretty inexcusable. It's one thing to make an honest mistake. These things happen. But not only did they not know the proper terminology and not bother finding out, they actually acknowledged that they didn't know the proper terminology and didn't bother to find out. They were aware of their ignorance and did nothing to address it.

Their lack of nerdiness is no excuse. I guarantee there were plenty of people available who were nerdy enough to know the difference, and it would have taken all of about five seconds to ask one of them.

And not only that, but a video game journalist who isn't nerdy enough to know the difference probably isn't qualified to be a video game journalist. It's important for reporters to know and understand their beat, one might think.

[Saibh]

JergenKajaton wrote...

IGN wrote...
Today we got a taste of the new combat system with a mountaintop battle against an army of orcs. They might have been imps or goblins or demons, actually. We're not nerdy enough to know the difference.

Yeah, that's pretty inexcusable. It's one thing to make an honest mistake. These things happen. But not only did they not know the proper terminology and not bother finding out, they actually acknowledged that they didn't know the proper terminology and didn't bother to find out. They were aware of their ignorance and did nothing to address it.

Their lack of nerdiness is no excuse. I guarantee there were plenty of people available who were nerdy enough to know the difference, and it would have taken all of about five seconds to ask one of them.

And not only that, but a video game journalist who isn't nerdy enough to know the difference probably isn't qualified to be a video game journalist. It's important for reporters to know and understand their beat, one might think.

I think it was supposed to be a joke, since they're at ComicCon right now, but it was obviously a very poor, very unprofessional one.

[Gill Kaiser]

It was the kind of joke you expect from a lad's mag like FHM, not a supposedly serious gaming website.

[mcneil_1]

I get the feeling the person who wrote the article on ign never played dragon age and didnt know what darkspawn were (and the comments people posted about the lack of dragon age knowledge in the article were a bit ).

[JergenKajaton]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

It was the kind of joke you expect from a lad's mag like FHM, not a supposedly serious gaming website.

I totally get what you're saying, and I even agree, but I'm still mildly amused by the phrase "serious gaming website".