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[theelementslayer]

Throw_this_away wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Sorry. Maybe we can go on an Epic Adventure to discover why so many Mass Effect characters always have one eye open wider than the other.

failed botox injections.  Think about it.  Few people have wrinkles.   

I laughed at this so hard

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
No no,  the REAL plothole is...This smiley ->

Nono its. WHY ARE WE ALIVE, and of course this -> I mean where is the reasoning behind that. I DEMAND EXPOSITION TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE

hmm...Well, the first heart symbolizes how awesoe shepard is, the second...is a PLOT HOLE!!!!!

Where is the meaning behind it. we must figure it out or it will affect our everyday life. EVERYTHING MUST BE EXPLAINED. I will not be able to continue my life until I know.

Please ADLegend21, lets us go one the quest to find the meaning of the hearty face. We will face odds unknown to man, and we must find an answer or else our lives are meaningless. So without further ado

"cue epic music"

haha Well I beleive it's a heart for every romance option, therefore we will neverbe able to obtain every single heart over the head of that pink smiley, oh wait there's a 7th heart. WHO IS THE 7th LOVE INTREST FOR ME2?! ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! We'll never know!

[theelementslayer]

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
No no,  the REAL plothole is...This smiley ->

Nono its. WHY ARE WE ALIVE, and of course this -> I mean where is the reasoning behind that. I DEMAND EXPOSITION TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE

hmm...Well, the first heart symbolizes how awesoe shepard is, the second...is a PLOT HOLE!!!!!

Where is the meaning behind it. we must figure it out or it will affect our everyday life. EVERYTHING MUST BE EXPLAINED. I will not be able to continue my life until I know.

Please ADLegend21, lets us go one the quest to find the meaning of the hearty face. We will face odds unknown to man, and we must find an answer or else our lives are meaningless. So without further ado

"cue epic music"

haha Well I beleive it's a heart for every romance option, therefore we will neverbe able to obtain every single heart over the head of that pink smiley, oh wait there's a 7th heart. WHO IS THE 7th LOVE INTREST FOR ME2?! ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! We'll never know!

Its a PLOTHOLE. Or Liara:wub:

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
No no,  the REAL plothole is...This smiley ->

Nono its. WHY ARE WE ALIVE, and of course this -> I mean where is the reasoning behind that. I DEMAND EXPOSITION TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE

hmm...Well, the first heart symbolizes how awesoe shepard is, the second...is a PLOT HOLE!!!!!

Where is the meaning behind it. we must figure it out or it will affect our everyday life. EVERYTHING MUST BE EXPLAINED. I will not be able to continue my life until I know.

Please ADLegend21, lets us go one the quest to find the meaning of the hearty face. We will face odds unknown to man, and we must find an answer or else our lives are meaningless. So without further ado

"cue epic music"

haha Well I beleive it's a heart for every romance option, therefore we will neverbe able to obtain every single heart over the head of that pink smiley, oh wait there's a 7th heart. WHO IS THE 7th LOVE INTREST FOR ME2?! ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! We'll never know!

Its a PLOTHOLE. Or Liara:wub:

both are right, because Liara in asari means plothole!!!!!

[theelementslayer]

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Where is the meaning behind it. we must figure it out or it will affect our everyday life. EVERYTHING MUST BE EXPLAINED. I will not be able to continue my life until I know.

Please ADLegend21, lets us go one the quest to find the meaning of the hearty face. We will face odds unknown to man, and we must find an answer or else our lives are meaningless. So without further ado

"cue epic music"

haha Well I beleive it's a heart for every romance option, therefore we will neverbe able to obtain every single heart over the head of that pink smiley, oh wait there's a 7th heart. WHO IS THE 7th LOVE INTREST FOR ME2?! ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! We'll never know!

Its a PLOTHOLE. Or Liara:wub:

both are right, because Liara in asari means plothole!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLOTHOLES. 
Even if she is a plothole, I still love her. 

Now we must somehow find a way to prove that liara means plothole. It will be dagerous, maybe suicidal. We will need an army. Or a really good team. Join us brothers and sister, join us... Damn I need to play DA more, cant remember the line

NOW lets go

*cue music*

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Where is the meaning behind it. we must figure it out or it will affect our everyday life. EVERYTHING MUST BE EXPLAINED. I will not be able to continue my life until I know.

Please ADLegend21, lets us go one the quest to find the meaning of the hearty face. We will face odds unknown to man, and we must find an answer or else our lives are meaningless. So without further ado

"cue epic music"

haha Well I beleive it's a heart for every romance option, therefore we will neverbe able to obtain every single heart over the head of that pink smiley, oh wait there's a 7th heart. WHO IS THE 7th LOVE INTREST FOR ME2?! ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! We'll never know!

Its a PLOTHOLE. Or Liara:wub:

both are right, because Liara in asari means plothole!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLOTHOLES. 
Even if she is a plothole, I still love her. 

Now we must somehow find a way to prove that liara means plothole. It will be dagerous, maybe suicidal. We will need an army. Or a really good team. Join us brothers and sister, join us... Damn I need to play DA more, cant remember the line

NOW lets go

*cue music*

find out how Liar means plothole in Asari language....Heavy risk....

[theelementslayer]

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
Its a PLOTHOLE. Or Liara:wub:

both are right, because Liara in asari means plothole!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLOTHOLES. 
Even if she is a plothole, I still love her. 

Now we must somehow find a way to prove that liara means plothole. It will be dagerous, maybe suicidal. We will need an army. Or a really good team. Join us brothers and sister, join us... Damn I need to play DA more, cant remember the line

NOW lets go

*cue music*

find out how Liar means plothole in Asari language....Heavy risk....

...Get out of here Jacob, I mean I love you and all but not for my femshep. We are on a mission from god. (cookie for whoever knows where that quotes from)

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
Its a PLOTHOLE. Or Liara:wub:

both are right, because Liara in asari means plothole!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLOTHOLES. 
Even if she is a plothole, I still love her. 

Now we must somehow find a way to prove that liara means plothole. It will be dagerous, maybe suicidal. We will need an army. Or a really good team. Join us brothers and sister, join us... Damn I need to play DA more, cant remember the line

NOW lets go

*cue music*

find out how Liar means plothole in Asari language....Heavy risk....

...Get out of here Jacob, I mean I love you and all but not for my femshep. We are on a mission from god. (cookie for whoever knows where that quotes from)

hahahaha okay okay okay.... um....from the matriarchs writings in ME1. They never explained HOW Liara got to therum! UREKA~!

[theelementslayer]

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

...Get out of here Jacob, I mean I love you and all but not for my femshep. We are on a mission from god. (cookie for whoever knows where that quotes from)

hahahaha okay okay okay.... um....from the matriarchs writings in ME1. They never explained HOW Liara got to therum! UREKA~!

They never explained why she was digging prothean ruins, I mean we dont have to dig, we are in the future, there must be just computers doing it . And yes the matriarchs writings, why are they there. PLOTHOLE. More epic adventrue to come in the upcoming. How did 13 writings get misplaced and somehow no one can find them but us even though they are on planets that are already inhabited.

(the quote is from the Blues brothers)

Dont miss the next episode of PLOTHOLES, coming, next time someone responds.

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

...Get out of here Jacob, I mean I love you and all but not for my femshep. We are on a mission from god. (cookie for whoever knows where that quotes from)

hahahaha okay okay okay.... um....from the matriarchs writings in ME1. They never explained HOW Liara got to therum! UREKA~!

They never explained why she was digging prothean ruins, I mean we dont have to dig, we are in the future, there must be just computers doing it . And yes the matriarchs writings, why are they there. PLOTHOLE. More epic adventrue to come in the upcoming. How did 13 writings get misplaced and somehow no one can find them but us even though they are on planets that are already inhabited.

(the quote is from the Blues brothers)

Dont miss the next episode of PLOTHOLES, coming, next time someone responds.

then I guess we should get our....shovels- YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

[smudboy]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I don't think that's inherently true. The Collectors were made by the Reapers, so who knows exactly how they get around. Their FTL could be way better than ours. It probably is but speculating on that is just that, speculation.

Mass Relays create massless corridors: I was under the impression these corridors are like alternate dimensions/areas of space where nothing else exists. As such, they can pass through things, like blackholes and stars.  Now if it's just a pinpoint location (galactic core) where things in the corridor move really fast, that's fine.  But that would imply drift (without IFF) would destroy the ship.  If it would destroy a ship one way, it would destroy the other, hence, why one would need two Omega-4 relays.  This is how relays actually work anyway.

And now you're going on about characters?  Okay.

I do not think the narrative and story cohesion was gone.

Hum.

From what I can tell everyone has a reason to be on Shepard's crew except for one person.

Motivation does not imply plot introduction nor plot integrity.  Only Mordin possesses these two qualities, Shepard only has introduction.  Everyone else has no business being here. This is compounded by the lack of exposition or detail of the goal: get a crew.  We don't know what we need this crew for, nor why; we just go and get them.  This is a total lack of presentation toward introduction: a plan, or the reason why we get them; it is not why they want to come along (motivations.)  It really only requires a sentence worth of intro per character.  LotR does this miles better (i.e. clear character introduction, clear goal, clear plan.)

The introduction of factors in a story, like entire characters, must provide some kind of exposition toward the point of the story.  Or else it's fluff.  This is what makes a crime drama or murder mystery important: having to sift through all the variables into a deduction.  Now most quest stories are mysteries, or have elements of mystery, and that mystery must ultimately be revealed: however, if the mystery is the point of the story itself...when the characters don't even know what they're doing, or can comprehend their function, or the scope or point of the plot, it ceases to be.  Compound that with storytelling errors, discontinuty, and purely contrived scenes, and the thing collapses.  The magical illusion the storytellers are giving is gone; the story becomes a charade.  This is proven by the roles on the suicide mission: "loyalty", Miranda's plot armor, Garrus's and Thane's sudden lack of hacking skills, Zaeed and Samara's fake expertise, Jacob's magical leadership skills, the non-denominational escort, and the untold/unseed hold the line stat.

[DaBigDragon]

trobbins777 wrote...

TIM:"Shepard we need you to go through the omega 4 relay to attack the collector's at the galactic core."

Shepard:"Is the omega 4 relay the only way to get to and from the galactic core?"

TIM: "Yes..."

Shepard:"then why don't we just blow it up? trapping them in the galactic core. They wouldn't be able to escape without getting sucked into a black hole."

TIM:".......why didn't i think of that?":blink:

Mass Relays are nearly indestructible according to the first book.

[theelementslayer]

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

...Get out of here Jacob, I mean I love you and all but not for my femshep. We are on a mission from god. (cookie for whoever knows where that quotes from)

hahahaha okay okay okay.... um....from the matriarchs writings in ME1. They never explained HOW Liara got to therum! UREKA~!

They never explained why she was digging prothean ruins, I mean we dont have to dig, we are in the future, there must be just computers doing it . And yes the matriarchs writings, why are they there. PLOTHOLE. More epic adventrue to come in the upcoming. How did 13 writings get misplaced and somehow no one can find them but us even though they are on planets that are already inhabited.

(the quote is from the Blues brothers)

Dont miss the next episode of PLOTHOLES, coming, next time someone responds.

then I guess we should get our....shovels- YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

But do they use shovels in the future. Hmmm we need EXPOSITION before we can really play the game of sitting camping the Omega 4 relay and transporting Liara to and from her place on therum. HOURS OF EXPOSTION I SAY.

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

...Get out of here Jacob, I mean I love you and all but not for my femshep. We are on a mission from god. (cookie for whoever knows where that quotes from)

hahahaha okay okay okay.... um....from the matriarchs writings in ME1. They never explained HOW Liara got to therum! UREKA~!

They never explained why she was digging prothean ruins, I mean we dont have to dig, we are in the future, there must be just computers doing it . And yes the matriarchs writings, why are they there. PLOTHOLE. More epic adventrue to come in the upcoming. How did 13 writings get misplaced and somehow no one can find them but us even though they are on planets that are already inhabited.

(the quote is from the Blues brothers)

Dont miss the next episode of PLOTHOLES, coming, next time someone responds.

then I guess we should get our....shovels- YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

But do they use shovels in the future. Hmmm we need EXPOSITION before we can really play the game of sitting camping the Omega 4 relay and transporting Liara to and from her place on therum. HOURS OF EXPOSTION I SAY.

I'd say they do dig with shovels, but for big digs they use minig lasers....which bring me to another thing, HOW DID Liara carry that laser into the mine?! Oh the plotholes! *starts digging*

[theelementslayer]

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

then I guess we should get our....shovels- YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

But do they use shovels in the future. Hmmm we need EXPOSITION before we can really play the game of sitting camping the Omega 4 relay and transporting Liara to and from her place on therum. HOURS OF EXPOSTION I SAY.

I'd say they do dig with shovels, but for big digs they use minig lasers....which bring me to another thing, HOW DID Liara carry that laser into the mine?! Oh the plotholes! *starts digging*

Ah the mining laser, and why didnt the geth think of that either? Hmmmmmmm well she brought it in using her biotics and then just left it there conviently pointed below her because she knew that we were coming to enter a code to activate it just after killing all the geth.

But its asari, how can we operate asari technology. PLOTHOLES GALORE MOAR EXPOSITION

[EffectedByTheMasses]

What I would like to know is how Shepard got out of the Galactic core. I didn't see a mass relay on the receiving side of that trip...

[xSTONEYx187x]

This debate still going on? This isnt going anywhere, just leave it be : )

[smudboy]

RiouHotaru wrote...
So why is whe we've made clear and concise arguments as to why mining the relay doesn't make sense you just ignore us or just rehash your original argument and say we're still wrong?  In fact we're using the same evidence as you are and just coming to a different conclusion because well, the evidence supports our theory too.  However, you seem to just handwave it, say we're doing it wrong and ignore us.  Heck, you've done this a lot.  You almost never seem willing to concede that the opposing side's arguments have any merit half the time, and when you do, it barely gets any mention.

Let's see the 1) evidence, 2) argument(s) again then.

[ADLegend21]

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

then I guess we should get our....shovels- YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

But do they use shovels in the future. Hmmm we need EXPOSITION before we can really play the game of sitting camping the Omega 4 relay and transporting Liara to and from her place on therum. HOURS OF EXPOSTION I SAY.

I'd say they do dig with shovels, but for big digs they use minig lasers....which bring me to another thing, HOW DID Liara carry that laser into the mine?! Oh the plotholes! *starts digging*

Ah the mining laser, and why didnt the geth think of that either? Hmmmmmmm well she brought it in using her biotics and then just left it there conviently pointed below her because she knew that we were coming to enter a code to activate it just after killing all the geth.

But its asari, how can we operate asari technology. PLOTHOLES GALORE MOAR EXPOSITION

I know! I'm refilling as fast as I can! I know!  It's because aleins speak ENGLIGH!!!!!!!!!!!! but wait English is human language and humans have only been around for 28 years in the galatic community so how would they know our laguage when she's never encountered us before?! NOOOOO anothr plothole. Maybe Liara is just one big Plot hole! oh the humanity!.....or the Asari.

[Sparda Stonerule]

smudboy wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
So why is whe we've made clear and concise arguments as to why mining the relay doesn't make sense you just ignore us or just rehash your original argument and say we're still wrong?  In fact we're using the same evidence as you are and just coming to a different conclusion because well, the evidence supports our theory too.  However, you seem to just handwave it, say we're doing it wrong and ignore us.  Heck, you've done this a lot.  You almost never seem willing to concede that the opposing side's arguments have any merit half the time, and when you do, it barely gets any mention.

Let's see the 1) evidence, 2) argument(s) again then.

I knew you were a supporter of text pyramids! Everyone saw that. You fiend, supporting those text pyramids.

Anyway the argument was that space mines do not exist in Mass Effect. Just because some powers from the first game form themselves as mines does not mean they have mines that can take out full ships. Besides FTL does indeed make you go faster than light. When you are moving faster than light you can phase through objects. However Mass Relays make you go faster than FTL with the added benefit of winding up within another star systems. People use Mass Relays because they move people faster. Getting from one system to another in FTL is possible, it just takes longer so people do the logical thing and use Mass Relays.

Anyway our main argument is that there are no space mines. You are arguing mining it would work. You tell people not to make things up for arguments, yet here you are arguing for something that doesn't exist. that is all.

While we're at it. Garrus and Wrex really didn't need to be on your team in Mass Effect 1, neither did Tali for that matter. Tali gives you all the info she has on Saren, Garrus tells you everything he knows about Saren, and Wrex saw Saren once but you don't know that when you bring him on board. You find out their purposes later. In both games you spend a lot of time doing meaningless things when you are supposed to be stopping a serious threat. 

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 29 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .

[Throw_this_away]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

smudboy wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
So why is whe we've made clear and concise arguments as to why mining the relay doesn't make sense you just ignore us or just rehash your original argument and say we're still wrong?  In fact we're using the same evidence as you are and just coming to a different conclusion because well, the evidence supports our theory too.  However, you seem to just handwave it, say we're doing it wrong and ignore us.  Heck, you've done this a lot.  You almost never seem willing to concede that the opposing side's arguments have any merit half the time, and when you do, it barely gets any mention.

Let's see the 1) evidence, 2) argument(s) again then.

I knew you were a supporter of text pyramids! Everyone saw that. You fiend, supporting those text pyramids.

Anyway the argument was that space mines do not exist in Mass Effect. Just because some powers from the first game form themselves as mines does not mean they have mines that can take out full ships. Besides FTL does indeed make you go faster than light. When you are moving faster than light you can phase through objects. However Mass Relays make you go faster than FTL with the added benefit of winding up within another star systems. People use Mass Relays because they move people faster. Getting from one system to another in FTL is possible, it just takes longer so people do the logical thing and use Mass Relays.

Anyway our main argument is that there are no space mines. You are arguing mining it would work. You tell people not to make things up for arguments, yet here you are arguing for something that doesn't exist. that is all.

While we're at it. Garrus and Wrex really didn't need to be on your team in Mass Effect 1, neither did Tali for that matter. Tali gives you all the info she has on Saren, Garrus tells you everything he knows about Saren, and Wrex saw Saren once but you don't know that when you bring him on board. You find out their purposes later. In both games you spend a lot of time doing meaningless things when you are supposed to be stopping a serious threat. 

I want 1) evidence 2)text pyramids 3)long posts that are quoted and countered point for point so that I can say I am right and you are wrong and 4)a popsicle.  

p.s. I don;t need to provide evidence myself.  That is your burden.  I can make up things and you can't .

[smudboy]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...
Anyway our main argument is that there are no space mines. You are arguing mining it would work. You tell people not to make things up for arguments, yet here you are arguing for something that doesn't exist. that is all.

The argument isn't specifically about using mines.  It's about following a simple lead. Mining is merely a military application of that idea (creating a dangerous blockade.)  I simply like this application because it causes the enemy to change their tactics, as well, as it may potentially damage them.

The use of spy satellites is just as valid, disguised as a hazard beacon, as is sitting there and watching the thing, with the SR2 or some other ship.

And there are several explosive, unmanned type weapons
There are tech mines:
http://masseffect.wi..._proximity_mine
And there are terrestrial mines:
http://masseffect.wi...e_Blasting_Caps
And we have nuclear probes:
http://masseffect.wi...Espionage_Probe
And we have turrets:
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Turret

Hell, we could sit in the SR2, plant a bunch of bombs, and remote detonate them.  It's really the same idea.

When I ask people not to make things up, I am referring to their imagination in various ridiculous ways.  Now if you think space mines are ridiculous, or so completely unbelievable, good for you.  Your inability to put idea 1 + idea 2 together is frightening, but I won't argue that.

I can however argue the validity of "thinking up" space mines as more believable than having made up merc groups get pissed off because of an unknown area of space no one cares about is blocking a potential trade with an enigmatic race no one has contacts with, and will start to blow up said mines, or get pissed off at Cerberus.  Even if they do have a legitimate trade aggreement with the Collectors, we now have a second lead: find out what connection these merc groups have with the Collectors.

Regardless of the military application, the point is recon.  Data gathering.  Learning about our enemy.  The main characters know of the connection between the relay and the Collectors.  Yet they're not doing anything about it, despite losing more humans, despite doing stupid/useless actions (collecting soldiers).  Thus, it is a plot hole.

Modifié par smudboy, 29 juillet 2010 - 11:28 .

[Throw_this_away]

Plot hole?  You want plot hole?

Why the hell is Yoshi helping Mario?  Does Mario really care about the princess?  What was the introduction to Mario's motivation?  What is Bowser's problem?  What does he want with the princess? 

[DarthCaine]

Throw_this_away wrote...

Why the hell is Yoshi helping Mario?  Does Mario really care about the princess?  What was the introduction to Mario's motivation?  What is Bowser's problem?  What does he want with the princess? 

Answers to all of your questions

Modifié par DarthCaine, 29 juillet 2010 - 11:31 .

[Throw_this_away]

smudboy wrote...
Your inability to put idea 1 + idea 2 together is frightening, but I won't argue that.

did that give you nightmares too?  I woke up in a sweat last night.  Man oh man I almost wet myself.  I was like "oh man oh man I almost wet myself I can;t believe that guy on the forum could not put 1 + idea 2 together.  this is frightening."  I used to think waking up with spiders in my mouth might be frightening... but this takes the cake.  

Oh yeah... plot holes.  Don't they have like infinate mass or something?  So much that no light escapes.  Or was that Smudboys mom?

(Oh crap I just made myself look bad by stooping to base insults of someone's mom.  Maybe next time).  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 29 juillet 2010 - 11:36 .