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[VanDraegon]

Sansin wrote...

Due out in November, if I recall correctly?

lol, not gonna happen. We will be lucky to see it by next summer.

[Anasurimbor_Kellhus]

akcorr wrote...

It looks like it's heavy on politics between the kingdoms....Does this series have sword and sorcery type stuff to go along with it?

No there arre some slight magical elements but so far really doesnt come to much, however the use of magic in the series is going to increase in the final three books. It is mainly about political intrigue in a Medieval style monarchy.

Modifié par Anasurimbor_Kellhus, 22 octobre 2009 - 05:13 .

[thheNO]

For all of you who like ASOIAF, check out The Black Company by Glen Cook. It's dark(but not as much as A song....) and have real sorcery in them. The ook itself is written in a biographical style, and more and more history/background is revealed through the book.

[Quercus]

I just ordered the 4 books, will get them next week. I guess that will feed my reading hunger for a while.

[CmdrCash]

I loved the ASOIAF books and I realy hope we will see A Dance with Dragons next year.



I can understand GRRM that he want's to so something else after 4 big books of ASOIAF but as a reader I would rather see him write on the damn books then in his blog.

[Azrailx]

VanDraegon wrote...

Sansin wrote...

Due out in November, if I recall correctly?

lol, not gonna happen. We will be lucky to see it by next summer.

more like next year, not summer but w/e

id guess spring

[B_Harrison]

I've read the Ice and Fire series five times now, and Martin's a wonderful writer. You guys should check out his short stories as well; look for "Dreamsongs" and "Fevre Dream".



Admittedly though I can't see much similarity between DA:O's setting and ASoIaF's, at least not beyond the surface. If any game was half so (quasi-) realistic and dark as GRRM's worlds, it wouldn't be very well received at all.



And yeah, Dance has taken forever; I preordered it something like two years ago.

[Irisenne]

I'm a big fan of the series too, although I didn't find A Feast for Crows as good as others, might be because it's mostly about characters I'm not really intrigued by. It felt as if it's going on forever although I did like some of the twists in the plot. The ending's bad, though.

My favourite characters are / were Eddard, Robb and Catelyn Stark, John Snow and Arya.

Modifié par Irisenne, 22 octobre 2009 - 07:23 .

[LdyShayna]

Perhaps. Perhaps not. A Song of Ice and Fire and Dragon Age may be similar in tone, but liking one does not necessarily transfer to a like (or love) of the other.

[Maria Caliban]

Azrailx wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

Sansin wrote...

Due out in November, if I recall correctly?

lol, not gonna happen. We will be lucky to see it by next summer.

more like next year, not summer but w/e

id guess spring

Unlikely. He's working on an anthology for the rest of the year, and in the spring he'll be in England for several weeks on the set of the HBO filming.

[Malanek]

I only read the first three books and don't intend to read anymore. First one was good. Second one was average at best and the third one was even worse. I don't think he went in the right direction with them. Plus too many of his characters (and he has a lot) don't interest me. And when writing goes at such a slow pace, it is vital that the characters hold the readers attention. In my case they didn't.

[Mayo_20]

andythebaker wrote...
...dance with dragons is nearly finished!

lol. He's never going to finish it. It was supposed to be half done when a Feast for Crows came out.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Brian The Grey wrote...

In case you never heard of George RR Martin, Bioware admits his work influenced DAO.   Fantastic novels indeed.

A Song of Ice and Fire

I desperately hope this is not true, because modus tollens then requires that I cannot like DAO if I didn't like A Game of Thrones, and I really didn't.

And yet somehow I think I'll enjoy DAO.

[Viz79]

No I won't. Im more interested in tight storylines and character development, not creating new story arcs and character plot lines at a drop of a hat until it is so hard to handle that he likely won't even finish the series without giving himself a heart attack.



DA is much more tightly controlled and woven - not that impressed by Martin at all. I did like the first book but when he started creating more and more arcs, it got more than a little silly.

[Nekator]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Brian The Grey wrote...

In case you never heard of George RR Martin, Bioware admits his work influenced DAO.   Fantastic novels indeed.

A Song of Ice and Fire

I desperately hope this is not true, because modus tollens then requires that I cannot like DAO if I didn't like A Game of Thrones, and I really didn't.

And yet somehow I think I'll enjoy DAO.

[Fulgrim88]

Shiroukai wrote...

Hmm, I've never read the series, but I do have read "The Wheel of Time" and "The Sword of Thruth".
Which of these 2 books looks more like the "Song of Ice and Fire" in comparisment? SoT was more detailed and darker, while WoT had a deeper story with a lot of suprising moments.

It's definetely a lot better than Wheel of Time, in my books. Put aside WoT after reading till book 10 or something, loosing interest in most of the silly and/or stupid characters and Jordans apparent obsession with the battle of the sexes.

Martin excels at character writing and if you found the WoT-plot to be surprising, ASoIaF will probably shock you.

However, as much as i wish not to do it, i've got to admit that Maria has a point.
He has been writing on this for ages  and while every book is still better than most other fantasy out there, Dark Fantasy has moved on. He might have been one of the first and it's still easily one of the best series of all time, but i highly doubt that he'll be able to finish it, at least in the same quality.

[Rivie]

I've heard good things about the series, but I don't really have the time to pick up a series full of such thick books right now. I'd like to at least look into it when I get the chance, though.

[Stanley Woo]

A Song of Ice and Fire is very well written. The setting is very detailed, with all the different houses and heraldry researched and developed, vast amounts of political intrigue and in-fighting, and a lot of very dark and mature elements, including sex at a young age, incest, children fighting and dying, blood, gore, and people generally being malicious jerks to one another.



Dragon Age has many of those elements (though nothing violent or sexual involving children), but also contains something A Song of Ice and Fire doesn't currently have, a few chapters into the fourth book: hope. A Song of Ice and Fire is full of very tragic things happening to very good people, and it does not get any happier. Just when you think someone is finally going to have good luck, something terrible happens. When someone does something noble and heroic, Geroge R.R. Martin really likes that person to suffer for it. And all the jumping around between more and more characters is annoying.



Dragon Age Origins may be mature fantasy, it may be dark, it may sometimes be offensive, but it is, above all, heroic. Bad things happen along the way, but it's all in the name of the journey to defeat the big bad. There are triumphs and periods of happiness, of accomplishment, and a sense that the world is joining you in repelling this great evil. A Song of Ice and Fire enjoys wallowing in despair and helplessness.

[Foxd1e]

Anasurimbor_Kellhus wrote...

From what ive seen of the DA:O universe so far, it is drastically different from the world that exists in ASOIAF

Except the Dragons, and the Qunari(Ancient Valyrians/Targeryens hello!) and the Sers.

[Foxd1e]

Stanley Woo wrote...

A Song of Ice and Fire is very well written. The setting is very detailed, with all the different houses and heraldry researched and developed, vast amounts of political intrigue and in-fighting, and a lot of very dark and mature elements, including sex at a young age, incest, children fighting and dying, blood, gore, and people generally being malicious jerks to one another.

Dragon Age has many of those elements (though nothing violent or sexual involving children), but also contains something A Song of Ice and Fire doesn't currently have, a few chapters into the fourth book: hope. A Song of Ice and Fire is full of very tragic things happening to very good people, and it does not get any happier. Just when you think someone is finally going to have good luck, something terrible happens. When someone does something noble and heroic, Geroge R.R. Martin really likes that person to suffer for it. And all the jumping around between more and more characters is annoying.

Dragon Age Origins may be mature fantasy, it may be dark, it may sometimes be offensive, but it is, above all, heroic. Bad things happen along the way, but it's all in the name of the journey to defeat the big bad. There are triumphs and periods of happiness, of accomplishment, and a sense that the world is joining you in repelling this great evil. A Song of Ice and Fire enjoys wallowing in despair and helplessness.

Well said Stanley, I reluctantly agree with you mostly but I think ASOIF inspires a kind of insane hope in all of us. I find myself hoping that everything will have to be set right in the end, somehow someway. I'm sure we are all hoping that Daenarys will be that hope, along with Jon Snow.

[Knight of Flowers]

Stanley Woo wrote...

 A Song of Ice and Fire enjoys wallowing in despair and helplessness.

That's what makes it awesome! Happiness is for squares.

[_____o_O___]

Hopefully the world will die in freezing flames....__<_<__....__O_o__

[Foxd1e]

thheNO wrote...

For all of you who like ASOIAF, check out The Black Company by Glen Cook. It's dark(but not as much as A song....) and have real sorcery in them. The ook itself is written in a biographical style, and more and more history/background is revealed through the book.

I was at Borders yesterday and I picked up that book and I almost bought it. So it's pretty good huh? I kinda had that feeling when I looked it over.

I also debated picking up the next Drizzt installment The Ghost King but Salvatore has really come a long way since his first Drizzt book and unfortunantely it's been mostly downhill not up, or maybe I just grew out of his writing.

Theres also a new Star Wars Horror-Zombie mystery book out too with a bloody stormtrooper helmet on the front. I almost picked up Gaider's The Calling as well, I'll probably pick that up this weekend.

[Fulgrim88]

Knight of Flowers wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

 A Song of Ice and Fire enjoys wallowing in despair and helplessness.

That's what makes it awesome! Happiness is for squares.

Well said:devil:


Nah, really. As much as antiheroes where a redemption after decades of perfect & invincible 'superheroes' (not necessarely in the marvel way), ASoIaF is a redemption after decades of 'you can't beat me cuz i'm morally superior'-Drizzt-Fantasy.

However, as delighting a change as it might be in a book, it would still be kinda pointless in a video game.
So i'm quite happy that thats a point where DA:O and ASoIaF differ

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 22 octobre 2009 - 09:00 .

[Brian The Grey]

Foxd1e wrote...

Anasurimbor_Kellhus wrote...

From what ive seen of the DA:O universe so far, it is drastically different from the world that exists in ASOIAF

Except the Dragons, and the Qunari(Ancient Valyrians/Targeryens hello!) and the Sers.

and in A Song of Ice & Fire there is the Night Watch which is very much like DAO's Grey Wardens.

The Night Watch is an infamous, misunderstood brotherhood that defends the realm from "the others" (the blight)