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[briskojr]

Probably my favorite books to date, though I haven't started Erikson's books yet. Everyone I've had read em' loves them as well and are equally annoyed at GRRM's delays. Despite the blue balls, I don't regret picking them up when I did. I think I'd be happier if DAO were more akin to ASOIAF, but as someone else has said I'm not sure it would be well received by typical fantasy gamers. Everyone likes to play the hero and save the day. Not have their hero fail at every turn and lose a finger/hand/foot/leg/penis/eye/nose/tongue/head or be burned alive while being raped. I think the genre could use an injection of a darker fantasy type game, but I wouldn't expect it to come from a major publisher.

Maybe the HBO series will do it right. As I understand the expenses involved in filming the pilot is convincing evidence that HBO will pick it up. I'm happy with the cast with the exception of maybe Sean Bean as Eddard, I think Timothy Olyphant would've been a better fit. Well, a perfect fit honestly. Btw, cast with photos



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Chris Ratcliffe wrote...
Actually I was thinking more about a certain Red Wedding - that previous moment was bad - but the wedding was worse with all the forboding and dark hints and Mayhaps that led up to it.

If there were ever a moment I wanted to retire from the series, it was the Red Wedding. Just thinking about what they did with Rob's body still pisses me off.

[Fulgrim88]

Thanks for the link. Interesting cast. Many of them are just like i pictured them (Mark Addy is just a perfect King Robert)

I wonder how some of the others look after the make up artists have done their work

[briskojr]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Thanks for the link. Interesting cast. Many of them are just like i pictured them (Mark Addy is just a perfect King Robert)
I wonder how some of the others look after the make up artists have done their work

Yeah, Mark Addy was a good pick.. And that picture of him is just perfect hah, pretty much how I imagine King Robert 90% of the time.

[Aurvan]

briskojr wrote...
 
Maybe the HBO series will do it right. As I understand the expenses involved in filming the pilot is convincing evidence that HBO will pick it up. I'm happy with the cast with the exception of maybe Sean Bean as Eddard, I think Timothy Olyphant would've been a better fit. Well, a perfect fit honestly. Btw, cast with photos  

I wouldn't complain if Timothy Olyphant got the part, but Sean Bean is awesome in my opinion. He has got more emotional expressions. Timothy has two - angry and pissed off.

[briskojr]

Aurvan wrote...

briskojr wrote...
 
Maybe the HBO series will do it right. As I understand the expenses involved in filming the pilot is convincing evidence that HBO will pick it up. I'm happy with the cast with the exception of maybe Sean Bean as Eddard, I think Timothy Olyphant would've been a better fit. Well, a perfect fit honestly. Btw, cast with photos  

I wouldn't complain if Timothy Olyphant got the part, but Sean Bean is awesome in my opinion. He has got more emotional expressions. Timothy has two - angry and pissed off.

That's sort of how I imagined Eddard tho

[Mythopoeia]

I am currently reading Game of Thrones. I figure if give myself time with the series maybe Martin will have finished it by the time I reach the end of the fourth book. 

It's really good reading, but the author indulges his own imagination to a fault sometimes.  I mean, is it really important that we know what the name of a random character's horse is, or the name of the horse that sired the horse?  If I wanted a Catalogue of Ships I would read Homer or the Aeneid.  Someone get the guy a good editor and perhaps he can finish his series.

Though while reading Game of Thrones this morning I was thinking that the Song of Fire and Ice universe could be the basis for an epic strategy game.

Modifié par Mythopoeia, 24 octobre 2009 - 07:23 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

George RR Martins approach to a gritty world is OK, but his writing leaves a lot to be desired. He also seems to love rape.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 24 octobre 2009 - 07:30 .

[briskojr]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

George RR Martins approach to a gritty world is OK, but his writing leaves a lot to be desired. He also seems to love rape.

Does he? If writing about it means you love it, then I'm worried about the writers/cast/vewing audience of SVU.

[Fulgrim88]

Mythopoeia wrote...
Though while reading Game of Thrones this morning I was thinking that the Song of Fire and Ice universe could be the basis for an epic strategy game.

There has been a M:TW mod in development for quite a while. No idea if they're still working on it, though

And i have to agree with Briskojr - just because you write about something, you don't have to like it.  In fact theres a lot of stuff in ASoIaF that no one in his right mind would 'love' or enjoy, but it's all the bad moments in this series that make the good moments shine even more.

Actually, i think it's a bit naive to think of Martin as a cruel or sick writer, just because 'normal' fantasy  tends to ignore the more unpleasant aspects of medieval life.
Rape was pretty much as common back then as purse snatching is today (if not even more common) and putting someones head on a stake was just simple deterrance. Pretty much the same reason why we put people into prisons and probably considered just as sadistic.
Many of the Paladin-Fans around here would have a hard time roleplaying in a real medieval setting.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 24 octobre 2009 - 07:58 .

[Aurvan]

The thing is... if you use real world history as a basis for your stories, there is going to be more cruelty and wickedness than most people can conjure up on their own. As an example you could make up a setting with viking-style raiding, Ancient Rome-style megalomaniac rulers, and Ancient Greece-style treatment of young boys. Good luck.

[thheNO]

About the HBO series:

If Brian Blessed had been yonger, the role of Robert Baratheon had been perfect for him

Modifié par thheNO, 24 octobre 2009 - 10:56 .

[Maria Caliban]

Aurvan wrote...

The thing is... if you use real world history as a basis for your stories, there is going to be more cruelty and wickedness than most people can conjure up on their own. As an example you could make up a setting with viking-style raiding, Ancient Rome-style megalomaniac rulers, and Ancient Greece-style treatment of young boys. Good luck.

Yes, but a work of fiction isn't real. Even in the most tumultuous times in the cruelest cultures, there were still people who led pleasant, unremarkable lives. Even in peaceful times in more compassionate cultures, there were still people who led hellish, painful existences.

An author does not show reality. An author shows something like reality manipulated to their inclinations. A writer is not a mere camera lens, and even the most accurate historical fiction does more than recount events.

[Aurvan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Aurvan wrote...

The thing is... if you use real world history as a basis for your stories, there is going to be more cruelty and wickedness than most people can conjure up on their own. As an example you could make up a setting with viking-style raiding, Ancient Rome-style megalomaniac rulers, and Ancient Greece-style treatment of young boys. Good luck.

Yes, but a work of fiction isn't real. Even in the most tumultuous times in the cruelest cultures, there were still people who led pleasant, unremarkable lives. Even in peaceful times in more compassionate cultures, there were still people who led hellish, painful existences.

An author does not show reality. An author shows something like reality manipulated to their inclinations. A writer is not a mere camera lens, and even the most accurate historical fiction does more than recount events.

Which is why I said "use as a basis". There is no denying that ancient Rome and the Wars of the Roses was an inspiration for the stories, and rape, incest and cruel violence fits perfectly. But at the same time Eddard only wanted to go on with his life, like you said. I wasn't trying to contradict any of that. But I like the bad, dark, unfair things to have a more prominent place in fantasy stories than dancing fairies and pink unicorns because it reminds me of historical eras that interest me, plus have the fantastic elements of a fantasy story that I enjoy as well.

[Valcutio]

I loved ASOIAF. I've read them all so far. ADWD is hopefuly going to be worth the wait. I know he's supposed to have another 2 books after that but I think he should wrap it up in the book after ADWD. I dont want him passing on before he finishes. That'd be too sad.

[Eccer]

Hm, that's cool



Well you see I have "Game of thrones", but I haven't had time yet to read it. (Currently reading Eye of the world) I'm a slow reader, perhaps lazy as well. But damn do I enjoy good fantasy books, I will definitely read it sometime



That brings me to a question, did anyone enjoy the latest book by the bioware author? "Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne" ?

[dragon6097]

I've managed to read Martin's first 3 books (mind you, a few years ago) and while I managed to finish the first 3, I just had a terrible time getting into the characters since by the time they developed, they ended up dead. All except one and his storyline hadn't progressed as quickly as I'd hoped out there at the wall. For what it's worth, after I finish up the next WOT book thats coming out real quick here, I'll probably try to get back into it.

[manha81]

Martin needs to finish his books before he bites it like Robert Jordan. I will be one pissed off reader if that's the case.

[Pyrofoxable]

I support this thread. A Song of Ice & Fire is the best fantasy series I've ever read.

[daem3an]

fidelio5473 wrote...

Steven Erikson's Malazan series.

Yep. Some of the best books I've ever read, fantasy or otherwise. If you haven't read Erikson yet, you really should.

[Jiggasaurus]

Named my crazy Mage here (as shown in avatar) Icarium after a fantastic character from the second Malazan book, I'm only on the third book 'Memories of Ice' but the depth Erikson uses is mind boggling, not for light readers but if you can apreciate sheer depth in fantasy novels it doesnt come much better.



ASOIAF is worth reading for Tyrion alone, getting Peter Dinklage to play him in the TV series was an excellent move, he is one of the few characters that could make or break whether the TV series is a hit or not.

[Reizarvg]

daem3an wrote...

fidelio5473 wrote...

Steven Erikson's Malazan series.

Yep. Some of the best books I've ever read, fantasy or otherwise. If you haven't read Erikson yet, you really should.

Yay, more Malazan fans! Easily the best fantasy world I've ever had the pleasure of sinking in to. And nothing beats Erikson's huge 5 chapter climaxes. He's brought me close to tears on more than one occasion.

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Jiggasaurus wrote...

Named my crazy Mage here (as shown
in avatar) Icarium after a fantastic character from the second Malazan
book, I'm only on the third book 'Memories of Ice' but the depth
Erikson uses is mind boggling, not for light readers but if you can
apreciate sheer depth in fantasy novels it doesnt come much better.

I named my Elven warrior Icarium. The two mages I've made were called Kellanved and Adaephon. Memories of Ice is an absolute masterpiece of a novel. For me it was quite literally perfect.

Modifié par Reizarvg, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:47 .

[MisterEcted]

I don't recommend the series because -
1. GRRM keeps killing all the good characters - there's virtually nobody left that I care about
2. The first couple books are good but they are all so full of detail (fluff) that the story doesn't move real far after the 2nd book
3. He's never going to finish the darn series! He has only completed 4 books so far and it took 10 years to do that - he still has 3 more books to go! It's been about 5 years between A Feast For Crows and the still unreleased A Dance With Dragons.
4. His prose is good but the incest and crap with children does get quite sickening considering there's so much dark crap like that strung throughout. I don't mind grittiness but he is a bit too excessive and detailed to a sickening degree.

Modifié par MisterEcted, 18 novembre 2009 - 12:36 .

[Tennmuerti]

Yep the Grey wardens are pretty much the 2 dimensional version of Night watch.



I mean come ON! The Grey Wardens are given the right to conscript anyone and the said person is forgiven for all their crimes, but at the same time if you are for example a noble or some such you can still come back and say: hey can I has teh crown back since teh king died lulz... and nobody has a problem with this ... riiiiight



Just saying.

[Edner132435]

Not recommending it because the author is old is a ****ty reason. The books he has written, save for feast for crows imo, are fantastic and should be read no matter if the overall story is wrapped up or not.

[JamesX]

One thing I hate about the series is that he is adding more and more characters and the story is getting more and more diluted.

Plus ... the next book is pushed it 2010 >.<; When I ordered it in 2008.