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[syllogi]

If this were a game set in the Dragon Age universe, that wasn't billed as a direct sequel, would people have as much of a problem with the premise of this particular game?



I admit freely that I have doubts about the Awakening dialogue system plus a dialogue wheel and fully voiced dialogue, because story is the most important element to me in an RPG. That doesn't mean I am incapable of enjoying the new game for whatever it may be, even if it's not the pure Western RPG spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate I was looking forward to.



There's no indication that Bioware plans to end the Dragon Age franchise with DA2, and even if Hawke's adventure isn't my favorite game ever, I can still hope that they'll create something else I enjoy down the road.



I mean, they didn't spend more than five years making DA:O because they *hated* RPGs, right? I still believe that they respect the genre and its fans.

[Cancermeat]

Saying that Hawke is a coward is just inviting confrontation or an emotional response without any effort, a cheap shot a guess. Forums like this offer no gain for fans or developers.

[MerinTB]

David Gaider wrote...

Kordaris wrote...
Yeah I even heard some silly guys claiming players won't have choice of creating their own characters with unique backstories like they had in DAO with dwarfs and elves. Such silliness:wizard:

I know! Clearly any game that doesn't give you multiple origins and races is not an RPG, not a good story and doomed to failure. Crazy! What RPG does that, anyway?

Funny you should ask -

I'm getting to that.

Modifié par MerinTB, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[Johnson45]

metal_dawn wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...
And Kordaris, why are you so determined to grace this forum with your negative posts? In the majority of threads I've looked at tonight I see your posts, and they don't ever seem to be constructive.

I reserve my right to criticise any commercial product that requires me to spent money on it.

Or heres a thought.... get ready.... ****ing brainwave....

just don't buy the game?

This way, you don't have to bother posting on the boards, you save money, you avoid being dissapointed, and everybodys happy!

Can you understand being upset that a series you liked and cared about being destroyed by "audience expansion" and pandering to a younger demographic? When you're upset by something, you feel the need to express it.

I can understand that, I remember a game came out about a year ago and I was so dissapointed that I created a thread on their forums which said I was dissapointed and felt the game had a lot of flaws when being played online, then left. I didn't lurk the forums waiting for next oppurtunity to scream out my dissapointment.


I understand that some people are upset, but when they're in every thread showing their discontent to such an extent it's VERY noticable, it looks to me as if they're just whining and being destructive.

[Shepard Lives]

Kritanakom wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

ooo ooo I hope i get in before the lockdown
Why would anyone have to admit something they don't believe is true?
Not everyone thinks Hawke is a bad name
These people certainly didn't...

Those are real life names not fantasy heroes.

The name Hawke like somebody else mentioned is similiar to often found names in pulp-fantasy-Storm, Wolf, Raven and the like. It is very unsophisticated and evokes imagery of cheesy/pulp fantasy scenarios. The imagery on the main site doesn't help.

So to be less cheesy/unsophisticated... you can't choose a real-life name?

I think we should just stop discussing this. Some people think Hawke is cool, or do not mind it. Others think it's for kiddies. There's really no changing either side's opinion.


Wait, did I just try to prevent people from arguing on the Internet? I'm so naive at times <_<

Modifié par shepard_lives, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:19 .

[desmod]

Quick question how many of you chose to stand and fight against the massive darkspawn army in lothering or just left north to get your army so you wouldn't get rick rolled?

[Gaddmeister]

I'd actually like it if Hawke cowardly ran from the battlefield. It would be an interesting start to the story and the character would surely be fun to play.

[filetemo]

we chose to flee and regroup. anything but going to the free marches.

[Cancermeat]

Lothering from what i saw in first game didnt really seem worth fighting for.

[desmod]

So you admit it was hopeless. If that so even if we did regroup we still chose to run from until we had the confidence of an army. Did you expect every person to fight an entire army without an army or are you just a hypocrite?

[metal_dawn]

Johnson45 wrote...

metal_dawn wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...
And Kordaris, why are you so determined to grace this forum with your negative posts? In the majority of threads I've looked at tonight I see your posts, and they don't ever seem to be constructive.

I reserve my right to criticise any commercial product that requires me to spent money on it.

Or heres a thought.... get ready.... ****ing brainwave....

just don't buy the game?

This way, you don't have to bother posting on the boards, you save money, you avoid being dissapointed, and everybodys happy!

Can you understand being upset that a series you liked and cared about being destroyed by "audience expansion" and pandering to a younger demographic? When you're upset by something, you feel the need to express it.

I can understand that, I remember a game came out about a year ago and I was so dissapointed that I created a thread on their forums which said I was dissapointed and felt the game had a lot of flaws when being played online, then left. I didn't lurk the forums waiting for next oppurtunity to scream out my dissapointment.


I understand that some people are upset, but when they're in every thread showing their discontent to such an extent it's VERY noticable, it looks to me as if they're just whining and being destructive.

The beauty of this situation is that the game we are anticipating is not yet complete. There is still time for changes or revisions or allowances if there is enough community reaction to the choices they are making. If Bioware really has based these "redesigns" based on the comments of their community, perhaps they will listen to what is being said now.

I've already said that I will be purchasing DA2 regardless of my apprehension. Bioware gets a 1 time free pass, because of their pedigree. I just hope they will listen to some of the concerns the community has... sure my ranting about Hawke's name is not entirely constructive, but there are so many other aspects that could be changed or improved.

[Cancermeat]

i don't know if this is going off topic but the whole walking around town experience wasnt that great to me it seemed to evolve a little bit better than nwn 2, but i hope that things improve in da2.

[tmp7704]

phaonica wrote...

The Ferelden Wardens wouldn't have been able to do anything without the help of people who stayed and fought. What about all the other solders and fighters in Ferelden? Why did they stay and fight? The Coward Theory is based on an interpretation that Hawke was able to fight and chose not to.

The people who fight with the Warden at the end of the game are professional soldiers (Eamon's army and Loghain's army as well as troops fielded by other arls/banns) and allies sworn to aid in the fight by ancient treaties.Who if you recall weren't actually planning to fight until these treaties were brought to them. There isn't exactly many random peasants participating in that battle.

And don't forget when people flee Lothering you'd need a crystal ball to know in advance there's going to be couple Wardens X months down the road (and that these Wardens aren't actually traitors like officially claimed) and that they'll require this kind of help. Because for all you know the king is dead, the army is crushed and the country is in full disarray. Heck, Denerim is supposedly packed to the brims and beyond with people who fleed from the approaching Blight and they aren't sitting there because they intend to help with fight but because that's as far as they can get away without a ship.

[Daewan]

@Kordaris

I'm staring at your sig: "Combat now feels like an action RPG that is more similar to that of a Lord of The Rings game than Baldur’s Gate.

Dragon Age2-less RPG, more combat. Peasant named Hawke."



And it makes me think of a story about a writer trying to make a science fiction movie about a farm boy who gets to rescue a beautiful princess, but doesn't fall in love with her because he's too busy saving the entire galaxy. That's not science fiction! That's like fantasy and drama mixed together. That will never work! Not even if you throw in spaceships and robots for a science fiction flavor.

Right?

Yeah. Granted, I'm pretty sure they're not going to come up with a story that incredible, but you know, mixing elements can sometimes be a good thing. I'm just sayin'.

[joriandrake]

Cancermeat wrote...

i don't know if this is going off topic but the whole walking around town experience wasnt that great to me it seemed to evolve a little bit better than nwn 2, but i hope that things improve in da2.

I believe people are more frustated by the single origin than that Hawke fled or lived in Lothering

[desmod]

What we also must understand is Hawke does not have the title of grey warden or treaties to make allies. Do you really think mages, dwarfs, and dalish would've helped some random guy with no title or treaties?

[Venn]

desmod wrote...

What we also must understand is Hawke does not have the title of grey warden or treaties to make allies. Do you really think mages, dwarfs, and dalish would've helped some random guy with no title or treaties?

Also, it's not an 'build an army, battle ancient evil, save the world" story.

[Jimmy Fury]

phaonica wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

It doesn't matter what the circumstances were, fleeing the Blight is the PRUDENT thing to do. Anyone who says different is living in denial.

1) The Hawke the Coward theory has nothing to do with Lothering
2) Yeah, those stupid Wardens and soldiers sticking around to defend against the Blight. Man, what were they thinking...?

That's different; it's the Grey Wardens' job to battle the blight, and it's something that they are uniquely equipped for. They chose that life, or were given the option of it as a reprieve from something worse.

The Ferelden Wardens wouldn't have been able to do anything without the help of people who stayed and fought. What about all the other solders and fighters in Ferelden? Why did they stay and fight? The Coward Theory is based on an interpretation that Hawke was able to fight and chose not to.

Interpretation is the word I think a lot of people have a problem with. The "hawke is a coward" theory rests on an entirely one sided interpretation based on very little information. We don't know the circumstances surrounding his decision to flee so it's odd to just assume it must be because he's a coward.

[Shepard Lives]

desmod wrote...

What we also must understand is Hawke does not have the title of grey warden or treaties to make allies. Do you really think mages, dwarfs, and dalish would've helped some random guy with no title or treaties?

But we do not know that the game is about building an army. It almost surely won't, 'cause really, repeating the exact same storyline from the first game?

[Lord Gremlin]

Warden did not "fled"... He accomplished strategical repositioning of his forces.

[Venn]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Hawke did not "fled"... He accomplished strategical repositioning of himself.