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[Hollingdale]

''**** the blight I hear they serve Pina Coladas in Par Vollen''

[In Exile]

Kordaris wrote...

In his defence, he is a lowly peasant. You can't expect much from him.

Seriously. It would be as stupid as expecting some pathetic elf from the alienage or a casteless dwarf to defeat the blight. And that happening is just absurd.

[Ulicus]

In Exile wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

In his defence, he is a lowly peasant. You can't expect much from him.

Seriously. It would be as stupid as expecting some pathetic elf from the alienage or a casteless dwarf to defeat the blight. And that happening is just absurd.

To be fair, without Duncan coming along, it is.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[Arttis]

dwarf commoner died without duncan.

Elf would have been executed/in prison.

Other elf would be dead.

Dwarf noble would be dead.

Human noble is a coin flip.Could have died with more soldiers not being killed by duncan could have made it so he was overrun.

Mage would be in the circle during the abomination outbreak and could have died or become tranquil/killed/in prison.

Without duncan they are all screwed.

[AllThatJazz]

Arttis wrote...

dwarf commoner died without duncan.
Elf would have been executed/in prison.
Other elf would be dead.
Dwarf noble would be dead.
Human noble is a coin flip.Could have died with more soldiers not being killed by duncan could have made it so he was overrun.
Mage would be in the circle during the abomination outbreak and could have died or become tranquil/killed/in prison.
Without duncan they are all screwed.

Very true. And wasn't Duncan a 'lowly peasant' before becoming a Grey Warden? Or worse, a murderer? So you know, Kordaris, the most unlikely people can make something of themselves.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:07 .

[Raven Snow]

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

In other words-- I get the fact that you liked them, but the
rage-flailing thing you're doing isn't exactly helping your case much.

The dislike for limiting player choices when it comes to creating their character is not limited to my person only. Several people have expressed their own dislike for this. As they did for the name Hawke which is truly and honestly(without any malice) a very uninspirational name

I think that the point people are making is that ... yes we understand that you're not happy, but it's got to the point where you're just pissing people off. Whether that's intentional or not. There is such a thing as TOO much complaining. Yes I've seen others not happy with the changes, but they're posts are in moderation; you just sound like a spoilt child not able to have your own way if I'm being brutally honest.

Sorry.

***

On a brighter note, yes Hawk is a very sterotypical fantasy name but personally I like it, and come on people we survived RPG games (and even praised some to the high heavens) before we had multiple Origins and names etc, I'm pretty sure was can all survive without them.

Also, this game is going to be spanning TEN YEARS, I can't even fathom how Bioware are going to pull that off! It's going to be amazing. Bioware's games always are.
How can you all be complaining over less Origin choices, (which, lets face it, in the long run had very little impact on the game as a whole) when you'll be getting game play and in depth decision choices that DO affect game play. Ten years worth of game play @.@

It boggles the mind!

Really, if we're going to nit-pick, find something that's worth nitpicking over rather than kicking up a fuss (in light of the improvements to the game) over nothing.

.... That turned into a bit of a rant sorry...

Modifié par Raven Snow, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[Raven Snow]

*double post*

Modifié par Raven Snow, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[Hegix]

shepard_lives wrote...

WHO TELLS YOU HAWKE JUST FLED. JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST. Why do so many people assume that Hawke just said "boo hoo hoo, I don't even have my brown pants" and chickened out leaving the darkspawn to slaughter innocents. Maybe he fled carrying five disabled orphans on his shoulders. Maybe he fled after sweeping a box of kittens away from the darkspawn- and even if he (I am using exclusively the male pronoun out of laziness) did not commit some selfless act of heroism, it's not like dying in Lothering would have slowed down the darkspawn. The less people die, the better.

Also, even if he "fled the the Blight like a coward", surely to become Champion of Kirkwall and stuff he must be a pretty exceptional individual.

Also, food for thought, the Warden "fled" from Lothering as well. Does that make him/her a coward? Maybe Hawke too has something heroic to do in other places, just like the Warden.

My Hawke would have thrown both the orphans and the box of kittens to the Hurlocks to slow them down when he fled. I hope the backstory isn't set in stone.

[Arttis]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Arttis wrote...

dwarf commoner died without duncan.
Elf would have been executed/in prison.
Other elf would be dead.
Dwarf noble would be dead.
Human noble is a coin flip.Could have died with more soldiers not being killed by duncan could have made it so he was overrun.
Mage would be in the circle during the abomination outbreak and could have died or become tranquil/killed/in prison.
Without duncan they are all screwed.

Very true. And wasn't Duncan a 'lowly peasant' before becoming a Grey Warden? Or worse, a murderer? So you know, Kordaris, the most unlikely people can make something of themselves.

Now that i think of it Human noble would have went to his brother and would have fought the darkspawn and died with the kings army.

[In Exile]

Kordaris wrote...

ME2 shooter with the terminator arcade boss at the end I wouldn't call amazing.

I know, right? And since you're the absolute arbiter of all things that are amazing and your tastes are completely objective, the fact you didn't like it and don't consider it an RPG means that it was a bad game and isn't an RPG, and what's up with all these people disagreeing, eh?

[In Exile]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Arttis wrote...

dwarf commoner died without duncan.
Elf would have been executed/in prison.
Other elf would be dead.
Dwarf noble would be dead.
Human noble is a coin flip.Could have died with more soldiers not being killed by duncan could have made it so he was overrun.
Mage would be in the circle during the abomination outbreak and could have died or become tranquil/killed/in prison.
Without duncan they are all screwed.

Very true. And wasn't Duncan a 'lowly peasant' before becoming a Grey Warden? Or worse, a murderer? So you know, Kordaris, the most unlikely people can make something of themselves.

Ducan was a murder who murdered a Grey Warden. The best kind of murder!

The whole point of DA with the Origin stories is that what saves the PC is where Duncan decides he should show up. Duncan is the critical force that allows for the PC to escape.

[tmp7704]

phaonica wrote...

I was referring to the quote that says Hawke didn't just survive the Blight, he fled from it. And the one that says that instead of choosing to stand and fight, he left Ferelden. One possible interpretation of these quotes is that he was able to fight but not willing.

But the other interpretation is he wasn't able to fight. And contrary to your claim, these quotes don't make the option he was able to fight any more likely than the other (that he wasn't).

We don't know why Hawke left Ferelden. Until we know why Hawke left, some people are going to ask "Why did Hawke abandon Ferelden?"

And some people aren't going to ask, but they quickly jump the gun instead calling someone a coward. Which isn't "asking", it's passing judgement and doing so in literally ignorant manner (without knowledge of the circumstances)

There is also one more thing to consider -- people who brand him coward like all others (sans the writers) have no idea what Hawke was doing after leaving Ferelden while the Blight was going. Maybe they were put under templars' watch when it was found Hawke's sister is an apostate and they weren't able to do anything at all despite the best intentions? Or maybe they were actually trying to gather some support/army there to fight the Blight after Ferelden's own forces got supposedly annihilated at Ostagar? People act as if fighting the Blight and fighting in Ferelden is one and the same, when even David Gaider said if Duncan hadn't died at Ostagar he'd very likely written Ferelden off as lost cause. Perhaps Duncan was just a coward, too...

(also, as pointed out by someone else, in about all the preview screenshots released so far Hawke is fighting the darkspawn...)

Modifié par tmp7704, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:24 .

[Gaddmeister]

aries1001 wrote...

There's an actor called Ethan Hawke, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000160/ , and if you a quick google search, you'll learn that Hawke is fairly common familiar name, also in Australia, it seems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hawke (this provided as information only)

So Hawke in DA2 could be named afther her (or his) good eyesigt, or because of his keen mind, he sees right through the problems and solves them as well. And while Hawke migt be described in one way, we don't have to play him the way he's been described here.

Oh my God, it's Ethan Hawke!

[Cancermeat]

I believe that Julius Caesar fled the field a few times.

[Arttis]

Sometimes its better to live to fight another day.

What was the other saying?The better part of valor is discretion?

I really can not remember as I should be asleep right now.

[Cancermeat]

For all we know he could have just have been a kid at the time anyway so he might not have had a choice.

[AlanC9]

They should let the player make the choice. Stay in Lothering and fight infinite waves of darkspawn until you die, or escape and play the rest of the game.

[Quinnzel]

Its not fleeing, its advancing, to future victory! (Or, "We must fight! to run away!"

[Davasar]

Hegix wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

WHO TELLS YOU HAWKE JUST FLED. JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST. Why do so many people assume that Hawke just said "boo hoo hoo, I don't even have my brown pants" and chickened out leaving the darkspawn to slaughter innocents. Maybe he fled carrying five disabled orphans on his shoulders. Maybe he fled after sweeping a box of kittens away from the darkspawn- and even if he (I am using exclusively the male pronoun out of laziness) did not commit some selfless act of heroism, it's not like dying in Lothering would have slowed down the darkspawn. The less people die, the better.

Also, even if he "fled the the Blight like a coward", surely to become Champion of Kirkwall and stuff he must be a pretty exceptional individual.

Also, food for thought, the Warden "fled" from Lothering as well. Does that make him/her a coward? Maybe Hawke too has something heroic to do in other places, just like the Warden.

My Hawke would have thrown both the orphans and the box of kittens to the Hurlocks to slow them down when he fled. I hope the backstory isn't set in stone.

As an aside, the Warden stayed and fought in Ferelden, he didn't flee the country...

If I were to play the game (I'll borrow it from a friend to see how it is, and that way I dont have to buy one) I'd have Hawke cripple a few peasants, his sister...and couple of children...and any kittens I found to slow the Darkspawn after me.

I mean heck, you dont have to be faster then the Darkspawn to run away...you just have to be faster then the people next to you, so you might as well hedge your odds

[Behindyounow]

Maybe he left because hey, he doesn't give a toss about a country that smells like wet dog.

[Arttis]

Quinnzel wrote...

Its not fleeing, its advancing, to future victory! (Or, "We must fight! to run away!"

You mean your launching a surprise attack on them you just need to run across the world and get to their backs.

[Davasar]

Behindyounow wrote...

Maybe he left because hey, he doesn't give a toss about a country that smells like wet dog.

Exactly my point, those people arent worth saving! 

[J-Reyno]

Arttis wrote...

Quinnzel wrote...

Its not fleeing, its advancing, to future victory! (Or, "We must fight! to run away!"

You mean your launching a surprise attack on them you just need to run across the world and get to their backs.

Sten +1