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[kuroshimodo]

 I am pretty sure there is another thread out there asking what changes you believe will result in Dragon Age 2 from what your Warden's decisions yet sadly I am lazy to fish for them. lol

The point in this thread is to discuss what could possibly change in the Dragon Age 2 universe by your Warden's choices. From the minor to the major. Do you perhaps believe you could possibly meet your Warden if they survived the fight with the archdemon? Would we perhaps meet the daughter of Isolde and Eamon if your Warden decided to kill Conor? Would you meet up with Bevin, whose the brother of Kaitlyn, if you use his grandfather's sword and gave it back. Perhaps we could meet up with Orta who you helped restore her family's name. Would we meet up with Zerlinda who you possibly helped out. If so, could we meet up with her son since she promised the Warden a new squire/recruit. Anyways, speculate and discuss.  

[filetemo]

I think I killed a bandit named hawke at lothering, I hope the game remembers it.

[In Exile]

I think almost all the choices made by the Warden were too insignificant to matter resources in another game.

I think the only thing that should matter is how the commerce with the dwarves changes based on the King chosen and how Ferelden evolves as a nation with Alistair vs. Anora. All the other choices were superficial that lead to a status quo regardless of the choice.

[joriandrake]

Lothering: killing or not those bandits may have an impact, same with giving lots of traps to those two persons, it would be funny if when Hawke flees he steps into them

[NugWrangler]

What we know for sure is that who is ruling Fereldan and who slayed the arch demon are choices that will be imported (Game Informer article). I'm hoping some of the seemingly less significant choices make an impact somehow too. It would satisfy the fans and encourage newcomers to play the first game.



I definitely think that in one way or another Morrigan and the Dark Ritual will get a mention in DA2. I also want to see how killing (or sparing) the Architect worked out for the warden.

[kuroshimodo]

I really hope the less significant choices make an impact too. Another choice that interests me is what would happen if you let the Tervinter slave master go on his merry way. In case that I am not clear, the Tervinter mage you meet up with when you do the Alienage quest. Would Hawke meet up with him caught red handed doing slave trades once again?

[Kritanakom]

I just wanna see the dwarves using the Golems I gave them >

[kuroshimodo]

I hope the golems would be on the player's side. Perhaps if you let the werewolves free, you could possibly meet up with them and the lady of the forest. Werewolves and golems, where could you go wrong. . .

[Lord Gremlin]

Wait.

You can NOT kill the bandits? I mean come on, I've always killed them...

And how do you know his name was Hawke?

[joriandrake]

My main character was a female city elven warrior who choose the lands and titles of Loghain because she was unable to marry Alistair.
If I transfer her save to DA2 I hope to hear the snob elfphobic Kirkwallians say things like "Ah those terrible dirty elves even managed to get into the ruling class of Ferelden, can you imagine it? Bowing to a slave?" or "Rumors are that the elf who became a noble in Ferelden only waits for her chance to become Queen, if that happens I will raise my army and march to war." or even "I have to worry now if the local elves try anything foolish because the success of their brethren in Ferelden, how can the people there be so incompetent to allow something like that?"

Modifié par joriandrake, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:47 .

[kuroshimodo]

Hmmm? Interesting thought, perhaps elf oppression would even increase due to the fact of your female city elf character's marriage to Alistair. Interesting indeed.

Modifié par kuroshimodo, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:57 .

[joriandrake]

Well, she was unable to marry Alistair and I didn't harden him as I didn't want to change his character, that is why she picked the noble title and lands instead, so she can marry him a bit later as the richest noble in Ferelden, noone can deny it to her then.

[kuroshimodo]

True, also made me wonder about female wardens who married Alistair yet also have a fling with Zevran. Makes me wonder if gossip would reach this part of the world telling how the queen is having an affair with an elf. Possibilities to ponder.

[In Exile]

joriandrake wrote...

My main character was a female city elven warrior who choose the lands and titles of Loghain because she was unable to marry Alistair.
If I transfer her save to DA2 I hope to hear the snob elfphobic Kirkwallians say things like "Ah those terrible dirty elves even managed to get into the ruling class of Ferelden, can you imagine it? Bowing to a slave?" or "Rumors are that the elf who became a noble in Ferelden only waits for her chance to become Queen, if that happens I will raise my army and march to war." or even "I have to worry now if the local elves try anything foolish because the success of their brethren in Ferelden, how can the people there be so incompetent to allow something like that?"

I don't think sequels allow for fan fiction. Otherwise they better talk about how my Warden acquired unspeakable magical power, and after curing himself from the taint, created a magical kingdom greater than Tevinter.

As plausible than humanity magicaly overcoming their prejudice of elves long enough to let one be their queen.

[joriandrake]

these are not fan fiction, these are rumors

[joriandrake]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Wait.
You can NOT kill the bandits? I mean come on, I've always killed them...
And how do you know his name was Hawke?

I think bandits can be killed, even in multiple situations or times in the dialgoue or after it

[In Exile]

joriandrake wrote...

these are not fan fiction, these are rumors

They are what you envision for your character, but you cannot possibly expect the writers to make the connection than an female elf that is taking Loghain's land and titles is doing it as a massive ploy to gain enough standing to marry Alistair. There are lots of other reasons why a character would do this.

And that's the problem with rumours.

[joriandrake]

rumors make connections between the most absurd things and my example was actually reasonable and realistic, it was meant to show how people in Kirkwall should react to an elven warden, maybe even a dwarven one too

especially if they got lands, titles, or both

Modifié par joriandrake, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:11 .

[In Exile]

It isn't realistic at all. Even if you get named Teyrn, the bannorn can choose who to ally with. Your supposed vassals (did Loghain even have vassals?) could as easily remove themselves from you to other lords in protest of your race. The landsmeet could remove Alistair as King as easily as they made him if he decides to push an elven queen. Your own banns (like in DA:A) could plot and succeed in assasinating you.

Seriously, you are just trying to justify some fan scenario you have as your particular characters ending, and you're going to have to face facts you're never going to get it.

[joriandrake]

In Exile wrote...

It isn't realistic at all. Even if you get named Teyrn, the bannorn can choose who to ally with.

I talked about the king, and Alistair is free to decide to marry any noble he wants

In Exile wrote...

Your supposed vassals (did Loghain even have vassals?) could as easily remove themselves from you to other lords in protest of your race.

no, you have no clue how this works like as it seems, most vassals are denied to even move to some other lords lands, both by the lords of the original and target lands

and yes, Loghain did have vassals, as everyone in the lands of a noble is the vassal of that noble, and Loghain was known to have the biggest and richest lands if I remember correctly

In Exile wrote...

The landsmeet could remove Alistair as King as easily as they made him if he decides to push an elven queen. Your own banns (like in DA:A) could plot and succeed in assasinating you.

Plotting can be done but the Warden did too much for Ferelden to succeed with an open revolt, plus as far I know the landsmeet can chose a king but can not remove the title again, it is not a damn faulty democracy, it is a proper monarchy (mostly)

In Exile wrote...

Seriously, you are just trying to justify some fan scenario you have as your particular characters ending, and you're going to have to face facts you're never going to get it.

absolutely not, you don't even try to think about what I say

the game save is going to be transferred, ergo it is not wrong to think that the origin/race/class/chosen reward of the Warden should also be mentioned in some way or another, just as the choice of allies in DA1 should somehow be mentioned in DA2, perhaps even get Hawke in conflict with some of them, like golems or werewolves

the easiestg way to include decisions of the warden in DA2 would be with rumors spreading and being twisted as it spreads

Modifié par joriandrake, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:31 .

[In Exile]

joriandrake wrote...
I talked about the king, and Alistair is free to decide to marry any noble he wants

I don't think you get how being King works. Picking some random girl, saying "Now I declare thee: noble! Wedding in 5, guys." tends to lead to civil war and an ealry grave.

no, you have no clue how this works like as it seems, most vassals are denied to even move to some other lords lands, both by the lords of the original and target lands

In actual medival Europe, being a vassal was not a choice. In DA:O, the landsmeet actually provides a choice.

From on codex entry:

No person has ever sat upon the throne of Ferelden without first
winning the approval of the Bannorn. Queen Fionne, who had the
misfortune to take the throne in the eighteenth year of the Steel Age,
wrote of the Bannorn, "There have been three wars this year fought over
elopements. Five fought over wool. And one started by an apple tree. It
isn't even winter yet. Who would believe that these same banns, now
trying so hard to kill one another, just last year united to give me the
crown?"

From the dragon age wiki:

Each freehold chooses the bann or arl to whom it pays allegiance.
Typically, this choice is made based on proximity of the freehold to the
lord’s castle, as it’s rarely worthwhile to pay for the upkeep of
soldiers who will arrive at your land too late to defend it. For the
most part, each generation of freeholders casts their lot with the same
bann as their fathers did, but things can and do change. No formal oaths
are sworn, and it is not unheard of, especially in the prickly central
Bannorn, for banns to court freeholders away from their neighbors, a
practice that inevitably begins feuds that can last for ages.

and yes, Loghain did have vassals, as everyone in the lands of a noble is the vassal of that noble, and Loghain was known to have the biggest and richest lands if I remember correctly

Get prepared to have your potentialy racist vassals get out of dodge, then. Seriously, you cannot justify your scenario without writing some fan-fiction about how the Landsmeet welcomes the elven Grey Warden as a hero as opposed to some bastard-born Alienage usurper.

Plotting can be done but the Warden did too much for Ferelden to succeed with an open revolt, plus as far I know the landsmeet can chose a king but can not remove the title again, it is not a damn faulty democracy, it is a proper monarchy (mostly)

It isn't a monarchy at all in the traditional sense.

From the DA wiki again:

This is especially evident during the Landsmeet, an annual council
for which the nobles of Ferelden gather. It has been held for almost
three thousand years with only a few interruptions for Blights and
invasions. The sight of a king asking for, and working to win the
support of "lesser" men is a source of constant wonder to foreign
ambassadors.So, yeah, your King can't waste time making the nobles angry, or he gets to be exactly one head shorter.

absolutely not, you don't even try to think about what I say

I'm thinking pretty deeply. You, however...

the game save is going to be transferred, ergo it is not wrong to think that the origin/race/class/chosen reward of the Warden should also be mentioned in some way or another, just as the choice of allies in DA1 should somehow be mentioned in DA2, perhaps even get Hawke in conflict with some of them, like golems or werewolves

It isn't wrong to think they'd mention the ending you pick. It is wrong to think they'd mention some specific ending you wrote a mental fan fiction about.

the easiestg way to include decisions of the warden in DA2 would be with rumors spreading and being twisted as it spreads

Well, I really hope they have one about how you're secretly a darkspawn trying to revive another archdemon because you're jealous you ran out of things to do, because that's as plausible as your previous rumour.

[joriandrake]

I wrote about my character as example, you still mix up what I wrote about rumors with what I wrote about the idea behind my character what has nothing to do with it

but if the warden is female then such rumors could spread, even more so if the warden is the actual lover of the king, that the example would fit with my own iesa for my main character choice/background rumors is just for simplicity reasons nothing more

also, the king can probably marry the Teryn who is the strongest, richest, and most medieval europe-like working title, it is mentioned also in the codex that Loghain held the last of these titles in existence which is about more direct control of possessed lands than anywhere else in Ferelden, in other words those lands are more centralized

Modifié par joriandrake, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .

[jaikss]

The rumour idea is pretty cool actually,pretty simple to make yet it
would create a pretty decent feeling of connection to the dao events.

But yeah,like In Exile pointed out,the landsmeet would never accept an elven queen.Noble,hero etc. an elf is still just an elf .

[Hawksblud]

Err, wow. My two cents:
1. At the end scene in the throne room, where the ruler (Alistair or Anora) asks you what you want, any character still living can request a land and the title to go with it or something along those lines. And it is immediately granted by the ruler.
2. Even if your female character cannot marry Alistair and he, for example, marries Anora while being hardened, your character can continue to romance him on the side. This is explained in the epilogue.
Judging that these two items can be attained, why exactly could the game designers not pull the information in order to pick one of several preset 'rumors' for the gossip-characters in each town to mention? I think it's a cool idea.
EDIT: In addition, just because something is gossiped about does not make it true. Malicious rumors with absolutely no basis in fact circulate all the time, and yes, even in relation to politics. Which is why two sources of news can contradict each other all the time.

Modifié par Hawksblud, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:08 .