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[GurkBoll]

Just curious of how the hardcore fans feel

http://social.biowar...895/polls/8475/

Modifié par GurkBoll, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:22 .

[David Gaider]

Roland Aseph wrote...
Based on the number of negative posts/comments I've seen here on the forums and on several other game sites reporting and showing the pictures...I would "guess" that a large percent are quite unhappy about the changes.

My experience on forums like this one tells me that what you often have are the same group of really unhappy people who post here, there and everywhere to make sure everyone knows exactly how unhappy they are. This is pretty typical for human nature. Complainers want to be heard, and will generally make it unpleasant for anyone who isn't as unhappy with things as they are.

This is not to say that they are insignificant in number at all. All I'm saying is that trying to judge how unhappy the fans in general are by the general "volume" of posts on the internet is pretty pointless. All you can really tell is that some people are really unhappy. Which I don't think would have been a stretch to predict.

Modifié par David Gaider, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:22 .

[David Gaider]

Saibh wrote...
You're right--some won't. But if I learned anything about boycotting from the comic book fandom, they're lying to prove a point, since there's no way to tell if they go see the new movie or not.

Indeed. There's also no way to know whether some information down the line has a change of heart-- not unless they come back and tell everyone they were wrong. Which is pretty rare on the Internet.

I think it was a given to expect that changes to the formula would mean some people would be upset. That's inevitable when you have fans-- if they weren't fans, they probably wouldn't care. Not to belittle their concerns, but I expect we'll see a lot of "final" declarations of interest or disinterest in the game between now and release. In the end it's a crap shoot to make predictions of where it will end up. I'm happy to say that most of the doom-and-gloom predictions for DAO (many on this very forum, in fact) were wrong.

[David Gaider]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I must say I love how arrogant you are David, the only reason people dont like the way DA2 is going is because they are bitter and angry and dont like anything? Wow you must have a lot of faith in your product, but then you guys are Bioware after all, everything that comes out of your arse is a nugget of gold isnt it?

Uh-huh.

I like how you refer to anyone who might like the games we make as "sheep", as if that's the only reason they could like it. As if they were just braver or, I don't know, smarter? They would realize the truth? And then you call me arrogant?

I never said that the only reason someone isn't going to like DA2 is because they are "bitter and angry and don't like anything". Never have. But the ones who are bitter and angry certainly like to do a great deal of posting. By all means this doesn't mean their opinions are irrelevant, but it does mean that they shouldn't be mistaken for representing more than they do. Sorry, but that's simply my observation from years (eleven, now?) of watching the various tempests-in-a-teapot that brew on our forums, and their aftermath.

Modifié par David Gaider, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:32 .

[David Gaider]

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

[David Gaider]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[David Gaider]

marquiseondore wrote...
Are you saying that the finishing move where the darkspawn limbs are flying everywhere will only appear in Varric's exaggerated retelling?  Or that Hawke won't be zooming from one side of the terrain in Mega Man like fashion to thrust his blade into a Hurlock horde?

I don't want to make promises, considering there's still lots of tweaking to go on the specifics, but the idea is that you're looking at a version of Hawke that has his level pumped and is doing major amounts of damage with the gore effects turned way higher than they normally would be. Which is not normal, no, and hence Cassandra's reaction.

The idea for that as a demo is to show the concept, and for it to be a fast-paced and exciting demo (as Mike mentioned elsewhere), but that's quite how regular combat plays. But, again, I'm sure you'll all see that for yourselves soon enough.

[David Gaider]

MerinTB wrote...
Apply your logic one level more, David, and please don't (and I'm not saying you are, but still be careful) group all people who are concerned with the loudest voices complaining.
You are trying to walk a delicate edge here, and I appreciate it.  But you do often come across as if you are essentially, despite often saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions or like adages, dismissing all concerned people as being part of some internet phenomenom that occurs every time a piece of any kind of news hits a forum.  To counter with another aphorism (though turned on its head), you make it seem like all you can do is see the forest for the trees.

I can't stress enough that negative criticism is not ignored. We'll read it-- I read it quite often, in fact. Some of it I'll even take to heart if it's expressed thoughtfully enough. Isn't that part of the reason for having a forum like this? You have the opportunity to convince each other, and maybe once in a while a dev, of your opinion.

A lot of times the angriest people aren't trying to be convincing, however. They're simply repeating their broadcast over and over and over again... which is great. All the power to them, right? All I'm saying is that when the forums get "up in arms" about something it shouldn't necessarily be taken as a revolution in progress. That's how it seems, at times. You'll get people running around going omg there are negative posts on the forums! as if that were the end of the world.

Chances are there are some very legitimate concerns in there (like there is now) and perhaps some of those people will even eventually give up and walk away and decide not to buy the game after all. Completely their right. But that doesn't mean that there aren't other people who enjoy the game, and that while I don't want to generalize peoples' reactions it is indeed not the end of the world. It never is.

I read your post. I wish I could make you feel better, and I commisserate on the love of the old school RPG's as well. All I can really say is that you should watch for more info as it comes out-- I think there is stuff there you might love (as you suspect). I hope in the end you decide you're open to trying it out.

[David Gaider]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
That does sound pretty cool but does this also mean that depending on the narrator's opinion of Hawke (there are multiple narrators arent there? Or is it just Varric?) we may not see the true story? Also if we are seeing the story from a narrator's point of view and not Hawke's wouldnt it be much harded for the player to define Hawke's personality? For instance a narrator that really hates Hawke would tell a tale that paints him as an **** that likes to kick puppies but would leave out the part where Hawke gives the poor orphan boy a coin to buy a hot meal.

I think the point is that it's up to the player to determine the tale that Varric tells, and how he paints the hero. There are elements where the nature of the unreliable narrator comes into play, but I'm leery to get into that at present. Occasional exaggeration isn't meant to replace the fact that, at it's heart, Varric's tale is a true one.

...OR IS IT?

Sorry, had to do that.

[David Gaider]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
...What I was actually saying is that I think these guys are just jabbering for the hell of it and I think your commercial success is all I'd need to see that their complaining was unwarranted and that the sky really is not falling. I guess I'm a little too good at seeming neutral! Hah.

I actually already pre-ordered the thing.

Oh.

Well that's better than thinking someone was wishing actual failure on us. Thanks. :innocent:

[David Gaider]

imported_beer wrote...
I thank you dramatic "SHUN BIOWARE!" folks for making my mornings very exciting. And if you are in the chicago area, please do join me during my morning routine boycotting Bioware's DA2. I start dancing at 7:30 AM. Thanks!

I expect YouTube coverage, missy.