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[Merllle]

Saibh wrote...

The thread doesn't exist as a "Who's in for boycotting? You too? YEEEEAAAAAAHHH!" type thing--which is what I thought when I read the title. The poll is measuring people who (despite their loud, loud protests) won't buy the game vs those who will. I hope it has been enlightening to said "boycotters". It's not the most scientific poll, and damn is it early to tell, but it does serve a purpose. The enlightening "neener, neener, neener!" one.

Well, there's a huge point there, great enough to make all the difference. But like you said, waaay early to tell. Oh, the leaking drama!

[Evil Penguin]

 I can't see myself boycotting DA2, but I'm feeling somewhat disheartened with the news of DA2 becoming more of a "Dragon Effect" game in terms of dialog system, etc. And to me the dialog is really an important piece for character development, which is a key element to any RPG.


I think it's clear from ME and ME2 that while that system makes for a nice cinematic experience to have first-person voice and more acted out dialogs, that same system makes for more unpredictability in terms of what you pick and what is actually said at the same time as it divides all dialog options into two very clear cut categories, information gathering and dialog choices that moves the story forward. Also, in ME there are never more than three options for moving the story forward, it being the good, neutral and evil options which are even implicitly labelled as such as they are always positioned the same!


To me the Mass Effect games have very nice presentation, but I feel they are inferior as games to DA:O.
That's however not only based on the dialog system but also that there is more depth to the combat system where a whole different level of tactics is required.


So, I'm worried that DA2 will not be as great as DA:O, but I'll want it anyway.
Having played the BG's, the NWN's, the KotORs, the ME's and DA:O, how can I not buy DA2?

[Nekator]

Whats known as of now, i´m not impressed. Seeing as how Bioware develops nowadays i´m also not hoping that the news are getting better...



Action Kiddies/Casual Gamers are the target group for DLC Games.. sad but true.

[Johnny Shepard]

The Poll is showing that most people like what they have seen. Nice to se.

[bzombo]

Evil Penguin wrote...

 I can't see myself boycotting DA2, but I'm feeling somewhat disheartened with the news of DA2 becoming more of a "Dragon Effect" game in terms of dialog system, etc. And to me the dialog is really an important piece for character development, which is a key element to any RPG.


I think it's clear from ME and ME2 that while that system makes for a nice cinematic experience to have first-person voice and more acted out dialogs, that same system makes for more unpredictability in terms of what you pick and what is actually said at the same time as it divides all dialog options into two very clear cut categories, information gathering and dialog choices that moves the story forward. Also, in ME there are never more than three options for moving the story forward, it being the good, neutral and evil options which are even implicitly labelled as such as they are always positioned the same!


To me the Mass Effect games have very nice presentation, but I feel they are inferior as games to DA:O.
That's however not only based on the dialog system but also that there is more depth to the combat system where a whole different level of tactics is required.


So, I'm worried that DA2 will not be as great as DA:O, but I'll want it anyway.
Having played the BG's, the NWN's, the KotORs, the ME's and DA:O, how can I not buy DA2?

well, i never played mass effect. not my thing. as for the dialog wheel, coming at it from a different perspective, i don't see it as a bad thing so long as choices aren't too limited. that was my main concern, and it seems like many conversations will have 5 options. that's a lot to choose from. i'm not so concerned with delivery as much as i am with dialog not being too limited. i don't think bioware is streamlining for the consoles, per se. it seems like they're keeping the pc interface much like always and the console interface is being made more like a console interface, which to me makes a lot more sense. i have an xbox 360, and when playing on the pc i had trouble imagining the 360 interface being like the pc and actually being smooth. i think bioware is trying to fix that. the pc version doesn't need fixing since it was built for the pc. taking what dao had, enhancing some spots, improving graphics, etc is about all the pc version needs.

[Games4ever]

Arttis wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

This is easy to answer, if the game looks good to me when it comes out in 7 months, then I'll buy it,but if it still look like a hideous and cartoony looking game in 7 months, then I wont buy it.

some people on here needs a reality check, if they believe that being critical is the same as trolling,anyone with half a brain knows that's not true!

I will always prefer to be critical rather than be an happy fool.

Ignorance is bliss...you would deny bliss for what?
Odd man...odd.
Considering were all a bit ignorant to many things that affect our lives I think if your not a blissful idiot than your just an idiot.

That you do it in some kind of funny way or a'smart'@rse comment makes it all better right?

Just Jog on

[dielveio]

The  dialog wheel in Mass Effect can give you up to 6 starting options to make a conversation, and can ramify into another 6 if the writers want and you don't have to even scroll down to find more options.
It just seems most people are trying to find a horn in a horse's head.
Trying to find a problem where there is not a problem...

[Arttis]

My point exactly I did not call you an idiot.You may assume whatever you like such as Bioware rigging the poll.

[Valente11]

You have got to be kidding me...the forums have hit a new low. a boycott? seriously?

[HyperLimited]

Indoctrination wrote...

Anyone who "boycotts" the game is nothing but a huge drama queen.

QFT.

DA2 will be on my list of titles to pick up for sure. :happy:

[Rixxencaxx]

David Gaider wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

To be straight, as a long time videogame player, i always thought that there were only few software houses able to guarantee the hightest quality and consumer respect.
In my opinion the best of theme were Blizzard and Bioware.
You both always realized really good quality games. Never rushed products.
I really liked dao, form me, it was the best rpg since bg2, but judging from awakening and above all, from the extremely poor quality of dragon age dlc's now i can't bet on bioware future reputation.
I supposte that crappy dlcs are the reason why people is so concerned about the changes you introduced with dao 2.
Maybe in the end the sequel will be better than the original (like bg2 and bg1)...but i fear that you are borrowing your hard earned reputation as game developer for some easy money and doubt that in the long run this could be a big business.

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:32 .

[thenemesis77]

MerinTB wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I must say I love how arrogant you are David, the only reason people dont like the way DA2 is going is because they are bitter and angry and dont like anything? Wow you must have a lot of faith in your product, but then you guys are Bioware after all, everything that comes out of your arse is a nugget of gold isnt it?

Uh-huh.

I like how you refer to anyone who might like the games we make as "sheep", as if that's the only reason they could like it. As if they were just braver or, I don't know, smarter? They would realize the truth? And then you call me arrogant?

I never said that the only reason someone isn't going to like DA2 is because they are "bitter and angry and don't like anything". Never have. But the ones who are bitter and angry certainly like to do a great deal of posting. By all means this doesn't mean their opinions are irrelevant, but it does mean that they shouldn't be mistaken for representing more than they do. Sorry, but that's simply my observation from years (eleven, now?) of watching the various tempests-in-a-teapot that brew on our forums, and their aftermath.

Apply your logic one level more, David, and please don't (and I'm not saying you are, but still be careful) group all people who are concerned with the loudest voices complaining.
You are trying to walk a delicate edge here, and I appreciate it.  But you do often come across as if you are essentially, despite often saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions or like adages, dismissing all concerned people as being part of some internet phenomenom that occurs every time a piece of any kind of news hits a forum.  To counter with another aphorism (though turned on its head), you make it seem like all you can do is see the forest for the trees.

That is true, but David is paid by BioWare and at the end of the day.....he is told what to do by his boss as we all are and that is what life is, do what you are told or go somewhere else. I loved DAO and I felt that DAA and the  Warden were left open to more.......I hope so, but DA2 is not even DA....it's all another game and I guess David and his guys were told to make a fast action game that has some rpg elements to it, out fast.  As I have said, I have hope but from reading the GI issue, they kept trying to get your mind off the Grey Warden and on this Hawke guy, they knew the box they would open and what backlash they my have to come, my thing is why is Gamespot or IGN really like wow, I cant wait for more DA2 info.....their not, it's all in cover and why? I have no clue when you have a great game like DAO, to move so far from it, I would only agree on one thing, the Warden haveing voice, thats it.

And to the GI issue, DAO was not Lord of the Rings, to me if you thought that, that is your downfall, now you  have a game that looks like Mad MAXX, really it does, but hell.....I will have to see more and Ihave some hope but it's not much.

[Evil Penguin]

bzombo wrote...

Evil Penguin wrote...

 I can't see myself boycotting DA2, but I'm feeling somewhat disheartened with the news of DA2 becoming more of a "Dragon Effect" game in terms of dialog system, etc. And to me the dialog is really an important piece for character development, which is a key element to any RPG.


I think it's clear from ME and ME2 that while that system makes for a nice cinematic experience to have first-person voice and more acted out dialogs, that same system makes for more unpredictability in terms of what you pick and what is actually said at the same time as it divides all dialog options into two very clear cut categories, information gathering and dialog choices that moves the story forward. Also, in ME there are never more than three options for moving the story forward, it being the good, neutral and evil options which are even implicitly labelled as such as they are always positioned the same!


To me the Mass Effect games have very nice presentation, but I feel they are inferior as games to DA:O.
That's however not only based on the dialog system but also that there is more depth to the combat system where a whole different level of tactics is required.


So, I'm worried that DA2 will not be as great as DA:O, but I'll want it anyway.
Having played the BG's, the NWN's, the KotORs, the ME's and DA:O, how can I not buy DA2?

well, i never played mass effect. not my thing. as for the dialog wheel, coming at it from a different perspective, i don't see it as a bad thing so long as choices aren't too limited. that was my main concern, and it seems like many conversations will have 5 options. that's a lot to choose from. i'm not so concerned with delivery as much as i am with dialog not being too limited. i don't think bioware is streamlining for the consoles, per se. it seems like they're keeping the pc interface much like always and the console interface is being made more like a console interface, which to me makes a lot more sense. i have an xbox 360, and when playing on the pc i had trouble imagining the 360 interface being like the pc and actually being smooth. i think bioware is trying to fix that. the pc version doesn't need fixing since it was built for the pc. taking what dao had, enhancing some spots, improving graphics, etc is about all the pc version needs.

Good point, I was arguing from the PC point of view. As for the console versions I have no idea how well DA worked out, I have only played DA on PC, and that's where I envision playing the sequel too.

[Arttis]

Valente11 wrote...

You have got to be kidding me...the forums have hit a new low. a boycott? seriously?

this has happened before...

[ecbricco]

its a no question about it im buying it for me unless they turn it into u walking around with stick figures and swords with chat bubbles popping above theyre heads for the dialog system lol

[Faust1979]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

To be straight, as a long time videogame player, i always thought that there were only few software houses able to guarantee the hightest quality and consumer respect.
In my opinion the best of theme were Blizzard and Bioware.
You both always realized really good quality games. Never rushed products.
I really liked dao, form me, it was the best rpg since bg2, but judging from awakening and above all, from the extremely poor quality of dragon age dlc's now i can't bet on bioware future reputation.
I supposte that crappy dlcs are the reason why people is so concerned about the changes you introduced with dao 2.
Maybe in the end the sequel will be better than the original (like bg2 and bg1)...but i fear that you are borrowing your hard earned reputation as game developer for some easy money and doubt that in the long run this could be a big business.

Why not just let the developers make they game they feel is best for them? there are a lot of things they have to think about when they design the game.  Do you really want every game in the franchise to play exactly the same? that would be quite boring. There is nothing wrong with wanting to try something new and be different. The Baulders gate games were years ago. You can't expect Bioware to keep making the same games with the exact same playing styles Bioware wouldn't have lasted long if they made all they're games the same. 

[Saibh]

thenemesis77 wrote...

That is true, but David is paid by BioWare and at the end of the day.....he is told what to do by his boss as we all are and that is what life is, do what you are told or go somewhere else. I loved DAO and I felt that DAA and the  Warden were left open to more.......I hope so, but DA2 is not even DA....it's all another game and I guess David and his guys were told to make a fast action game that has some rpg elements to it, out fast.  As I have said, I have hope but from reading the GI issue, they kept trying to get your mind off the Grey Warden and on this Hawke guy, they knew the box they would open and what backlash they my have to come, my thing is why is Gamespot or IGN really like wow, I cant wait for more DA2 info.....their not, it's all in cover and why? I have no clue when you have a great game like DAO, to move so far from it, I would only agree on one thing, the Warden haveing voice, thats it.

And to the GI issue, DAO was not Lord of the Rings, to me if you thought that, that is your downfall, now you  have a game that looks like Mad MAXX, really it does, but hell.....I will have to see more and Ihave some hope but it's not much.

You're right, that he works for BioWare--but they have listened to us, when our protests grow and get larger, rather than being those few dissenters. They've even listened to us when it's just about adding something we'd like to see (Tali and Garrus, much?). But the people having a hard time now don't know that much about the game, aren't willing to give it a chance, and a vastly outweighed by those who are.

Modifié par Saibh, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:37 .

[thenemesis77]

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

Well if that is the story, then what, this Varric says, may all be a lie or "over the top". So you may play a game that is a lie, as in story but thats part of the fun? LOL. Good David make it all a lie and bring back the Warden, no over the top BS in that story.

[Magus_42]

I didn't vote in the poll because it lacked a "wait and see" option. From what little preview information we have now, I have three points of concern:



1) Pre-set main character: while I like choice, the best, most re-playable, RPG I ever played was Planescape: Torment, which had a fixed main character. I'm willing to see where Bioware goes with this.



2) Modified dialog and combat systems: More of a negative for me, particularly the dialog, but I need more information to make a decision.



3) Going more "over the top" in styling: Bioware already tried this with the heavy metal add campaign for DA:O, so hardly surprising. This doesn't appeal to me, or to anyone I know, frankly, but I can live with it, and if Bioware thinks this will help them sell games, more power to them.



At the moment I'll probably buy, but I'll wait for more information, and perhaps even reviews, which isn't something I'd normally do with a Bioware game.

[Arttis]

LOL would be funny if half the game was a lie just to stall til the warden arrives.

[Rixxencaxx]

Faust1979 wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

To be straight, as a long time videogame player, i always thought that there were only few software houses able to guarantee the hightest quality and consumer respect.
In my opinion the best of theme were Blizzard and Bioware.
You both always realized really good quality games. Never rushed products.
I really liked dao, form me, it was the best rpg since bg2, but judging from awakening and above all, from the extremely poor quality of dragon age dlc's now i can't bet on bioware future reputation.
I supposte that crappy dlcs are the reason why people is so concerned about the changes you introduced with dao 2.
Maybe in the end the sequel will be better than the original (like bg2 and bg1)...but i fear that you are borrowing your hard earned reputation as game developer for some easy money and doubt that in the long run this could be a big business.

Why not just let the developers make they game they feel is best for them? there are a lot of things they have to think about when they design the game.  Do you really want every game in the franchise to play exactly the same? that would be quite boring. There is nothing wrong with wanting to try something new and be different. The Baulders gate games were years ago. You can't expect Bioware to keep making the same games with the exact same playing styles Bioware wouldn't have lasted long if they made all they're games the same. 

you totally missed the point...i am not against game changes...i have just said that people is worried about these changes cause of the low quality of recent bioware products (mostly dlc).
 

[Rixxencaxx]

Arttis wrote...

LOL would be funny if half the game was a lie just to stall til the warden arrives.

maybe this is the handheld game they talked a lot.....<_<

[KalDurenik]

On the new poll... I loved Dragon Age: Origins but do not like what I've heard about Dragon Age 2 and probably won't buy it unless new information alleviates my concerns.

[RogueWriter3201]

I will not, nor could I ever conceive of a reason, to boycott. From all the incredible gaming experiences they have given us, among other things, boycotting is the absolute Last thing they deserve, even to discuss it is to spit on everything they have achieved as a developer and for the fans. Also, I find it rather myopic and insulting that the OP implies that one is not a "Hard Core" fan unless they choose the option too Boycott. Christ, how this Forum has gone to the Nugs...

[Arttis]

Unfortunately the meaning of words change when someone wants to rally/manipulate people into agreeing/helping with their cause...