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[Roland Aseph]

The Console Version is good wrote...

Some people make a big deal out of nothing, This is Biowares game if you do not want to buy it then tough luck you will only be replaced by someone else that it appeals to.

And on the flip side they "do" make the game with the intent for US to buy and play.

There should be some thought as to the expectations and general desires of the target audience.

Like I've said before, IF this had been rolled out as a different game set in the DA IP Universe and they said "we're going to try a different look and direction with this one so hang on and enjoy the ride!" ; that would of been vastly received better than to "surprise" all the fans of the original with a so-called Sequel with a completely different look and gameplay feel. And to add the biggest injury imo is that it looks like they've gone years backwards.

I just showed my wife screenshots of DAO and then showed her the new shots of DA2....and she said "wow, looks like the DOOM years" lol  Now even I don't think it's that bad...maybe the Morrowind years. She gets it in one glance at the different graphical look and style.  

They "should" of kept a REAL Sequel in the pipeline and let this "fast-tracked" project be just that. A side project with a different approach.

Because this is anything but, what I and I think a large percent of Origin fans expected or wanted for the next installment.

Modifié par Roland Aseph, 25 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[The Console Version is good]

I am going to buy it as well.

[AlanC9]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Bobad wrote...

I vote for Abba, singing Waterloo

This.

The Kinks singing Waterloo Sunset.

[AlanC9]

Roland Aseph wrote...
Because this is anything but, what I and I think a large percent of Origin fans expected or wanted for the next installment.

"Large" meaning what? 5%? 15%? 30%?

[Roland Aseph]

AlanC9 wrote...

Roland Aseph wrote...
Because this is anything but, what I and I think a large percent of Origin fans expected or wanted for the next installment.

"Large" meaning what? 5%? 15%? 30%?

Based on the number of negative posts/comments I've seen here on the forums and on several other game sites reporting and showing the pictures...I would "guess" that a large percent are quite unhappy about the changes.

Then you combine the complaints of the graphics, with the static Single main character, and those that feel the game mechanics is going to take on a Hack&Slash quality, along with those that fear the game is going "streamlined" and reduced in various ways like ME2....yadayadayada

And yes, I "think" there's a large percent of fans of DAO that feel that this "sequel" is not what they expected or wanted.

What exact percent? I have no clue. I personally would say at least 40-50%, but that is a feather out of my hat gut feeling...

I think it will be interesting to see the number of units sold once it hits the shelves. And part of me hates feeling like this, hates thinking the graphics look horrid, hates thinking the game might not do as well as everyone hopes.

Why? Because I want this IP to succeed and be profitable, I LOVE playing DAO and want to see more of that caliber of game set in the world.

Will we?

Hopefully...but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are a lot of disappointed fans out there right now.

[ERJAK1]

GurkBoll wrote...

Just curious of how the hardcore fans feel

http://social.biowar...895/polls/8475/

Seriously, go live in a box so you don't have to deal with life you needy super nerd.

[David Gaider]

Roland Aseph wrote...
Based on the number of negative posts/comments I've seen here on the forums and on several other game sites reporting and showing the pictures...I would "guess" that a large percent are quite unhappy about the changes.

My experience on forums like this one tells me that what you often have are the same group of really unhappy people who post here, there and everywhere to make sure everyone knows exactly how unhappy they are. This is pretty typical for human nature. Complainers want to be heard, and will generally make it unpleasant for anyone who isn't as unhappy with things as they are.

This is not to say that they are insignificant in number at all. All I'm saying is that trying to judge how unhappy the fans in general are by the general "volume" of posts on the internet is pretty pointless. All you can really tell is that some people are really unhappy. Which I don't think would have been a stretch to predict.

Modifié par David Gaider, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:22 .

[langelog]

All these "I refuse to buy because I don't like this or that" posts are empty threats. Even if they complain about so called "radical change" that IMO will better the game and not ruin it, I can assure you that they will buy it despite their whining and love it. It's all rather pathetic, I realize your entitled to your opinion about what you want, but whining and making threats won't help your case.

[Time4Tiddy]

langelog wrote...

All these "I refuse to buy because I don't like this or that" posts are empty threats. Even if they complain about so called "radical change" that IMO will better the game and not ruin it, I can assure you that they will buy it despite their whining and love it. It's all rather pathetic, I realize your entitled to your opinion about what you want, but whining and making threats won't help your case.

This.

No matter what everyone says now, they will buy DA2 come March.  If only because they loved DAO.  There may be people who buy it and feel disappointed, but they will still buy it.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
This.

No matter what everyone says now, they will buy DA2 come March.  If only because they loved DAO.  There may be people who buy it and feel disappointed, but they will still buy it.

What makes you assume this? Not everyone who liked DAO is going to buy DA2.

[love bump]

its a little premature to talk about boycotting the game isnt it? we havnt seen much of the game yet...

[Saibh]

Solostran85 wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...
This.

No matter what everyone says now, they will buy DA2 come March.  If only because they loved DAO.  There may be people who buy it and feel disappointed, but they will still buy it.

What makes you assume this? Not everyone who liked DAO is going to buy DA2.

You're right--some won't. But if I learned anything about boycotting from the comic book fandom, they're lying to prove a point, since there's no way to tell if they go see the new movie or not.

[Iscaredeath]

If you wish to boycott the game go right ahead. Just don't be mad and try something foolish when someone walks into Gamestop or other retailer to buy the game.

[BillWatson08]

I don't know about the rest of you, but DAO was one of, if not the best RPG I ever played. I would still like one more expansion pack to finish off the story of my Warden and I would love it to include Leliana and the others, but otherwise, I'll be happy with a new story. Do I care if there's only one race this time? No, as long as the story is as engaging.

[David Gaider]

Saibh wrote...
You're right--some won't. But if I learned anything about boycotting from the comic book fandom, they're lying to prove a point, since there's no way to tell if they go see the new movie or not.

Indeed. There's also no way to know whether some information down the line has a change of heart-- not unless they come back and tell everyone they were wrong. Which is pretty rare on the Internet.

I think it was a given to expect that changes to the formula would mean some people would be upset. That's inevitable when you have fans-- if they weren't fans, they probably wouldn't care. Not to belittle their concerns, but I expect we'll see a lot of "final" declarations of interest or disinterest in the game between now and release. In the end it's a crap shoot to make predictions of where it will end up. I'm happy to say that most of the doom-and-gloom predictions for DAO (many on this very forum, in fact) were wrong.

[joriandrake]

Hey Dave, check your PM box once in a while

[JamieCOTC]

It's really too early to tell, however w/ what I have heard this is a "wait and see" game rather than a "buy it the first day" game.

[Goldrock]

Its a dang video game not a big major political debate that effects the whole world you dont like it dont buy the damn things other than that shut up let us enjoy for the love of god and boycotting video games never work. Plus people on the forums are just a minority there thousands maybe millions that love bioware games and dont hang out on the forums so fuss away.

[MerinTB]

I thought I'd dislike the new companions in ME2 as all the marketing was "dark, dark, dark, you have to be bad, you have to work with these bad people" down to the (IMO) really counterproductive tactic of the whole "psychopath, assassin, etc." campaign.
They certainly were NOT targeting me.  My excitement at the announcement of ME2 waned and waned until I was voicing (not online, but to offline friends) strong concerns that the game was being turned too anti-hero and too "ends justify the means" for me to enjoy it.  And on my first playthrough I found that the marketing wasn't completely off-base, and my concerns were justified - but I still really enjoyed the game, though there are many elements added that make me unhappy / uneasy (and no, I don't mean the planet scanning.)

DA2 isn't working me over with "dark" or "anti-hero" vibe like ME2 did - it's hitting me WORSE, with some (to me) fundamental design decisions that run contrary to what I like best about cRPGs.
At this point I fully intend TO BUY IT, and I fully expect to LIKE IT, possibly love it.  But like some more tolerant D&D 3.5 fans have said to me often about 4th "being a good system and a good game but it's not D&D - they should just call it WoW the RPG" I can understand the sentiment now - as I think DA2 will turn out to be a fine game, but it won't be (as far as I can tell at this point) a cRPG but a console action RPG.  To be fair, I love DAO and it was the kind of game I had been waiting for for a very long time, but it fell short on many criteria of what I want from a cRPG -
and DA2 seems to be cutting away even more of what I enjoy most.

My option isn't in the poll.
My option would read something along the lines of "I like BioWare's adventure games that often have action or RPG elements in them, and I'll end up buying (probably pre-ordering the CE as I've not missed that since BG2 (with the exception of the DS game as I own no DS and care nothing for Sonic)) and probably really liking it, but... I'm still very disappointed."

BioWare gets their money from me, I get a game I like, the developers of the game would think that's a win-win scenario.

But they are clearly missing something.  They offered me hope with DAO and I fear (perhaps wrongly, but the CONFIRMED changes (human Champion of Kirkwall, no selection of Origins, dialog wheel, voiced MC, co-developed on consoles, etc.) are exactly what is killing me inside) they have dashed that hope to pieces with the simple "DAO sold extremely well, proving its a profitable, viable model AND YET we are still changing things up."

I'm not raging mad against BioWare.  I'm hurt.  And it's an even more pathetic hurt because I'm basically a nameless, faceless customer in a crowd that they couldn't really care about if they even wanted to.

[Solaris Paradox]

I honestly do not understand what's so awful about Dragon Age 2 from what we can see of it right now. I guess people are entitled to their disappointment, and all that, but I'd rather wait and see what the designers do with the game before shooting my mouth off about whether the changes are a good thing or not. Personally, after sixty-plus hours of Dragon Age: Origins, I think a change is plenty welcome.



Also, something about Dragon Age 2 just really sounds awesome to me. I can't put my finger on it.



But I guess it's not as bad as, say, petitioning to boycott a game because the character design is too skinny, has long spines, and has green eyes...

[hyperion02]

Reminds me of




Amirite?

Higer rez http://i.imgur.com/abXW9.png

Modifié par hyperion02, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:13 .

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Roland Aseph wrote...
Based on the number of negative posts/comments I've seen here on the forums and on several other game sites reporting and showing the pictures...I would "guess" that a large percent are quite unhappy about the changes.

My experience on forums like this one tells me that what you often have are the same group of really unhappy people who post here, there and everywhere to make sure everyone knows exactly how unhappy they are. This is pretty typical for human nature. Complainers want to be heard, and will generally make it unpleasant for anyone who isn't as unhappy with things as they are.

This is not to say that they are insignificant in number at all. All I'm saying is that trying to judge how unhappy the fans in general are by the general "volume" of posts on the internet is pretty pointless. All you can really tell is that some people are really unhappy. Which I don't think would have been a stretch to predict.

One thing is certain. Games like Modern Warfare or God of War sell good. If Bioware goes in that direction, it might lose some old fanbase, but I am sure overall it will enjoy increased success. I am realistic about it.

And if they sold themselves to Disney, they'd make even more!
 
I wonder why every company in the history of video games doesn't immediately turn to the most profitable form of the business?

[Grommash94]

Saibh wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Roland Aseph wrote...
Based on the number of negative posts/comments I've seen here on the forums and on several other game sites reporting and showing the pictures...I would "guess" that a large percent are quite unhappy about the changes.

My experience on forums like this one tells me that what you often have are the same group of really unhappy people who post here, there and everywhere to make sure everyone knows exactly how unhappy they are. This is pretty typical for human nature. Complainers want to be heard, and will generally make it unpleasant for anyone who isn't as unhappy with things as they are.

This is not to say that they are insignificant in number at all. All I'm saying is that trying to judge how unhappy the fans in general are by the general "volume" of posts on the internet is pretty pointless. All you can really tell is that some people are really unhappy. Which I don't think would have been a stretch to predict.

One thing is certain. Games like Modern Warfare or God of War sell good. If Bioware goes in that direction, it might lose some old fanbase, but I am sure overall it will enjoy increased success. I am realistic about it.

And if they sold themselves to Disney, they'd make even more!

....*shudders*.