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[marquiseondore]

MerinTB wrote...

I fully expect DA2's story and design to make me enjoy the game despite how it (most probably) is crushing any hope I had of an old school cRPG renaissance.

That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

[MerinTB]

David Gaider wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I must say I love how arrogant you are David, the only reason people dont like the way DA2 is going is because they are bitter and angry and dont like anything? Wow you must have a lot of faith in your product, but then you guys are Bioware after all, everything that comes out of your arse is a nugget of gold isnt it?

Uh-huh.

I like how you refer to anyone who might like the games we make as "sheep", as if that's the only reason they could like it. As if they were just braver or, I don't know, smarter? They would realize the truth? And then you call me arrogant?

I never said that the only reason someone isn't going to like DA2 is because they are "bitter and angry and don't like anything". Never have. But the ones who are bitter and angry certainly like to do a great deal of posting. By all means this doesn't mean their opinions are irrelevant, but it does mean that they shouldn't be mistaken for representing more than they do. Sorry, but that's simply my observation from years (eleven, now?) of watching the various tempests-in-a-teapot that brew on our forums, and their aftermath.

Apply your logic one level more, David, and please don't (and I'm not saying you are, but still be careful) group all people who are concerned with the loudest voices complaining.
You are trying to walk a delicate edge here, and I appreciate it.  But you do often come across as if you are essentially, despite often saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions or like adages, dismissing all concerned people as being part of some internet phenomenom that occurs every time a piece of any kind of news hits a forum.  To counter with another aphorism (though turned on its head), you make it seem like all you can do is see the forest for the trees.

Modifié par MerinTB, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:43 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

Lyssistr wrote...

 Boycotting for what? people usually boycott companies illegal practices, immoral behavior or for stepping beyond their "bounds".

 Unless devs smuggled blood diamonds, used animals to test their wives lipstick or violated your consumer rights, the use of "boycott" is ridiculous.

On the contrary, boycotts are near the heart of capitalism. It's why good products are successful and bad ones aren't. If a customer doesn't like the service they get, they go to a competitor. The competition, in the end, results in better products all-around.

I encourage anyone who really hates what's going on with DA2 to not buy the game. If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

[David Gaider]

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

[Saibh]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

 Boycotting for what? people usually boycott companies illegal practices, immoral behavior or for stepping beyond their "bounds".

 Unless devs smuggled blood diamonds, used animals to test their wives lipstick or violated your consumer rights, the use of "boycott" is ridiculous.

On the contrary, boycotts are near the heart of capitalism. It's why good products are successful and bad ones aren't. If a customer doesn't like the service they get, they go to a competitor. The competition, in the end, results in better products all-around.

I encourage anyone who really hates what's going on with DA2 to not buy the game. If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Like already stated, the people who dislike the game the most are the loudest--not the most numerous. I mean, take a look at that poll.

[AndarianTD]

I guess I've been a bit out of the loop recently and haven't been able to read up on the news about DA2. What exactly about the plans for it is supposed to be so "bad" that we should consider not just not buying it, but boycotting it? With all due respect that strikes me as just a little bit fantastic.

Modifié par AndarianTD, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:51 .

[MerinTB]

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

Ooo, so like how 300 is the surviving soldier greatly exaggerating his companions' last stand to help motivate the current troops on the eve of battle?

See, I like that a lot.  Nicely done.





so... conflicted...

[Onyx Jaguar]

If true then that would be interesting. Like one chapter is an ultra take while another would be a realistic take. Sounds too interesting to be implemented in any effect that would actually work.

[Collider]

Dragon Age 2 slayed my family and spit on their graves. I cannot declare defeat and give into it's vicious propaganda.

[AndarianTD]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

On the contrary, boycotts are near the heart of capitalism. It's why good products are successful and bad ones aren't. If a customer doesn't like the service they get, they go to a competitor.

Rubbish. That's not a boycott -- that's simple consumer choice and preference. A boycott is a refusal to patronize on the basis of some principle. There's a profound difference between the two.

Modifié par AndarianTD, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:54 .

[David Gaider]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[marquiseondore]

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

Are you saying that the finishing move where the darkspawn limbs are flying everywhere will only appear in Varric's exaggerated retelling?  Or that Hawke won't be zooming from one side of the terrain in Mega Man like fashion to thrust his blade into a Hurlock horde?

[Chuvvy]

It is the only way BioWare will hear us, I will NOT buy DA2 7%(16 votes)

I trust BioWare, even though what i've seen is bad I will buy DA2 14%(33 votes)

I like what I've seen and I wil buy DA2 69%(167 votes)

BioWare wont change just because I dont buy the game, I will buy DA2 5%(13 votes)

I will buy the game second hand (or borrow, rent etc.) 5%(12 votes)



I gather that isn't the reaction some people were hoping for.

[Grommash94]

marquiseondore wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

Are you saying that the finishing move where the darkspawn limbs are flying everywhere will only appear in Varric's exaggerated retelling?  Or that Hawke won't be zooming from one side of the terrain in Mega Man like fashion to thrust his blade into a Hurlock horde?

Coming to think of it....that would actually make a lot of sense.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Slidell505 wrote...

It is the only way BioWare will hear us, I will NOT buy DA2 7%(16 votes)
I trust BioWare, even though what i've seen is bad I will buy DA2 14%(33 votes)
I like what I've seen and I wil buy DA2 69%(167 votes)
BioWare wont change just because I dont buy the game, I will buy DA2 5%(13 votes)
I will buy the game second hand (or borrow, rent etc.) 5%(12 votes)

I gather that isn't the reaction some people were hoping for.

Not in a public place it isn't

[Chuvvy]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

It is the only way BioWare will hear us, I will NOT buy DA2 7%(16 votes)
I trust BioWare, even though what i've seen is bad I will buy DA2 14%(33 votes)
I like what I've seen and I wil buy DA2 69%(167 votes)
BioWare wont change just because I dont buy the game, I will buy DA2 5%(13 votes)
I will buy the game second hand (or borrow, rent etc.) 5%(12 votes)

I gather that isn't the reaction some people were hoping for.

Not in a public place it isn't

I considered bringing that up but decided against it. I was going to add a bow chicka bow wow.

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Bow chika bow wow. OH!

Modifié par Slidell505, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:02 .

[Solid N7]

MerinTB wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

Ooo, so like how 300 is the surviving soldier greatly exaggerating his companions' last stand to help motivate the current troops on the eve of battle?

See, I like that a lot.  Nicely done.





so... conflicted...

If  you don´t like the change of  DA2 then don´t  buy it period. Stop whinnig about your obssesion with the roleplaying and how bioware is iin big conspiracy against all the hardcore pc gamers , really with thread like this I really  think the worst otakus are the hardcore pc gamers.

[David Gaider]

marquiseondore wrote...
Are you saying that the finishing move where the darkspawn limbs are flying everywhere will only appear in Varric's exaggerated retelling?  Or that Hawke won't be zooming from one side of the terrain in Mega Man like fashion to thrust his blade into a Hurlock horde?

I don't want to make promises, considering there's still lots of tweaking to go on the specifics, but the idea is that you're looking at a version of Hawke that has his level pumped and is doing major amounts of damage with the gore effects turned way higher than they normally would be. Which is not normal, no, and hence Cassandra's reaction.

The idea for that as a demo is to show the concept, and for it to be a fast-paced and exciting demo (as Mike mentioned elsewhere), but that's quite how regular combat plays. But, again, I'm sure you'll all see that for yourselves soon enough.

[SaltyWound]

I'm sorry, but I've yet to see a game boycott ever work. 90% of the people who say they won't buy it, end up buying it or playing it somehow. See MW2, L4D2, etc.

I'm not entirely happy with some of the stuff I've seen for DA2, but I am willing to wait for more details. If those details disappoint me (Combat turns out to be VERY action oriented/hack'n slash, no Male/Male romance, etc.) then sure, I won't purchase it and I'll voice my disappointment. But boycotting it won't do anything.

Modifié par SaltyWound, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:04 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Why not just have it be a rune of sorts so I can play DA 2 like Fallout. Except I don't do that in fallout because its a waste of a perk. But its nice to think about.

[Dave of Canada]

I didn't read any post but.. I only read the title and I was instantly reminded of the L4D2 boycott and you know how that went.

[Collider]

I play Bioware games for the story and moral decisions. I couldn't care less if it's hack and slash, so long as the wonderful characters and stories Bioware is known for is intact. Which I expect will be.

[Saibh]

Collider wrote...

I play Bioware games for the story and moral decisions. I couldn't care less if it's hack and slash, so long as the wonderful characters and stories Bioware is known for is intact. Which I expect will be.

Yes--that exactly.

[Kritanakom]

HAHA!!



Oh man, the poll! Wow, looks like there won't be a boycott, huh?



I'm so buying this game.

[Dave of Canada]

Collider wrote...

I play Bioware games for the story and moral decisions. I couldn't care less if it's hack and slash, so long as the wonderful characters and stories Bioware is known for is intact. Which I expect will be.

It's the reason I've been able to beat Mass Effect (first one) 19 times and Dragon Age 6 times, it wasn't the compelling gameplay (lol) - it was all the plot.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:10 .