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[Goldrock]

yeah too many people have been spoiled. Just really not alot of info about DA2 too really start trash talking it

[DaringMoosejaw]

David Gaider wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

...What I was actually saying is that I think these guys are just jabbering for the hell of it and I think your commercial success is all I'd need to see that their complaining was unwarranted and that the sky really is not falling. I guess I'm a little too good at seeming neutral! Hah.

I actually already pre-ordered the thing.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:13 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
That's sums up how I felt today Merin.  I really enjoyed playing the demo but was disappointed with the blitzed out combat.  It was awesome and fun, but just didn't feel like it belonged in the game. If it was toned down in the slightest it would be perfect.

Just to bring up something that's been mentioned elsewhere: are you aware that the combat in the demo was part of the tale Varric is telling Cassandra? And is exaggerated for effect? Thus you're seeing a version of Hawke that is tearing apart everything with ease and spectacular effect-- great for a demo, but regular combat is intended to be "toned down" a bit, as you suggest. Which we will eventually show at length, I'm sure.

That does sound pretty cool but does this also mean that depending on the narrator's opinion of Hawke (there are multiple narrators arent there? Or is it just Varric?) we may not see the true story? Also if we are seeing the story from a narrator's point of view and not Hawke's wouldnt it be much harded for the player to define Hawke's personality? For instance a narrator that really hates Hawke would tell a tale that paints him as an **** that likes to kick puppies but would leave out the part where Hawke gives the poor orphan boy a coin to buy a hot meal.

[Dave of Canada]

Goldrock wrote...

yeah too many people have been spoiled. Just really not alot of info about DA2 too really start trash talking it

The funny thing is, they could've just mentioned Dragon Age 2 and they would still have thousands of threads filled with complaints.

"omg and the first one just came out! wtf ur milking us!" and such.

[Solid N7]

Collider wrote...

I play Bioware games for the story and moral decisions. I couldn't care less if it's hack and slash, so long as the wonderful characters and stories Bioware is known for is intact. Which I expect will be.

^^this
That´s what I love about bioware games and not   silly thiings about roleplaying.

Modifié par Solid N7, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:13 .

[Kail Ashton]

lol and the poll states the obvious i see, ahhh the "hardcore" fans, i always like the fallout 3 example, oh how the hardcore fans cried and cried bout fallout 3 and that it'd kill the series yet it outsold the entire fallout series single handidly & put fallout on the world gaming map away from the minority PC crowd

"Hardcore" fans are selfish lil whiners who want the same thing the same way forever and will cry & cry hope'n to get their way, progress and sales numbers will always dictate things, not crying on a forum

Modifié par Kail Ashton, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:14 .

[GodWood]

Kail Ashton wrote...

lol ahhh the "hardcore" fans, i always like the fallout 3 example, oh how the hardcore fans cried and cried bout fallout 3 and that it'd kill the series yet it outsold the entire fallout series single handidly & put fallout on the world gaming map away from the minority PC crowd

Fallout 1 and 2 are still legions better then Fallout 3.

[David Gaider]

MerinTB wrote...
Apply your logic one level more, David, and please don't (and I'm not saying you are, but still be careful) group all people who are concerned with the loudest voices complaining.
You are trying to walk a delicate edge here, and I appreciate it.  But you do often come across as if you are essentially, despite often saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions or like adages, dismissing all concerned people as being part of some internet phenomenom that occurs every time a piece of any kind of news hits a forum.  To counter with another aphorism (though turned on its head), you make it seem like all you can do is see the forest for the trees.

I can't stress enough that negative criticism is not ignored. We'll read it-- I read it quite often, in fact. Some of it I'll even take to heart if it's expressed thoughtfully enough. Isn't that part of the reason for having a forum like this? You have the opportunity to convince each other, and maybe once in a while a dev, of your opinion.

A lot of times the angriest people aren't trying to be convincing, however. They're simply repeating their broadcast over and over and over again... which is great. All the power to them, right? All I'm saying is that when the forums get "up in arms" about something it shouldn't necessarily be taken as a revolution in progress. That's how it seems, at times. You'll get people running around going omg there are negative posts on the forums! as if that were the end of the world.

Chances are there are some very legitimate concerns in there (like there is now) and perhaps some of those people will even eventually give up and walk away and decide not to buy the game after all. Completely their right. But that doesn't mean that there aren't other people who enjoy the game, and that while I don't want to generalize peoples' reactions it is indeed not the end of the world. It never is.

I read your post. I wish I could make you feel better, and I commisserate on the love of the old school RPG's as well. All I can really say is that you should watch for more info as it comes out-- I think there is stuff there you might love (as you suspect). I hope in the end you decide you're open to trying it out.

[Arttis]

Think of it this way lelianas song was not accurate.It was being told by leliana and told in a wqay she thought it would be more interesting.

The narrative so far make me think in some special occasions we will play as the character varric the dwarfs remembers.

Like when talking to Howe about marric they like to over exaggerate a bit.

I imagine it will not always be like that...maybe sometimes.

[David Gaider]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
That does sound pretty cool but does this also mean that depending on the narrator's opinion of Hawke (there are multiple narrators arent there? Or is it just Varric?) we may not see the true story? Also if we are seeing the story from a narrator's point of view and not Hawke's wouldnt it be much harded for the player to define Hawke's personality? For instance a narrator that really hates Hawke would tell a tale that paints him as an **** that likes to kick puppies but would leave out the part where Hawke gives the poor orphan boy a coin to buy a hot meal.

I think the point is that it's up to the player to determine the tale that Varric tells, and how he paints the hero. There are elements where the nature of the unreliable narrator comes into play, but I'm leery to get into that at present. Occasional exaggeration isn't meant to replace the fact that, at it's heart, Varric's tale is a true one.

...OR IS IT?

Sorry, had to do that.

[Solid N7]

Kail Ashton wrote...


"Hardcore" fans are selfish lil whiners who want the same thing the same way forever and will cry & cry hope'n to get their way, progress and sales numbers will always dictate things, not crying on a forum

HAHAHA EXACTLY:devil:

[marquiseondore]

David Gaider wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
Are you saying that the finishing move where the darkspawn limbs are flying everywhere will only appear in Varric's exaggerated retelling?  Or that Hawke won't be zooming from one side of the terrain in Mega Man like fashion to thrust his blade into a Hurlock horde?

I don't want to make promises, considering there's still lots of tweaking to go on the specifics, but the idea is that you're looking at a version of Hawke that has his level pumped and is doing major amounts of damage with the gore effects turned way higher than they normally would be. Which is not normal, no, and hence Cassandra's reaction.

The idea for that as a demo is to show the concept, and for it to be a fast-paced and exciting demo (as Mike mentioned elsewhere), but that's quite how regular combat plays. But, again, I'm sure you'll all see that for yourselves soon enough.

See here I thought when Mike was describing why it seemed like a hack and slash was due to the ease. Two blows and they are down; not the talent moves themselves.  You don't have to use any of those to kill the darkspawn and she's still going to think he's talking out of his ass.  

I rather like the limbs laying about, just not as if was an exploding darkspawn cake.  And I love Bethany so far.  She's like the quiet little sister I never had.  

[Collider]

Please don't kill Bethany off.

[Arttis]

Lazy writing...

Do not mind me though.

[Dave of Canada]

Arttis wrote...

Think of it this way lelianas song was not accurate.It was being told by leliana and told in a wqay she thought it would be more interesting.
The narrative so far make me think in some special occasions we will play as the character varric the dwarfs remembers.
Like when talking to Howe about marric they like to over exaggerate a bit.
I imagine it will not always be like that...maybe sometimes.

"And then Hawke slew a giant darkspawn that was 50 feet high!"

But he was actually the size of a single Hurlock.

[Grommash94]

Collider wrote...

Please don't kill Bethany off.

This.

[David Gaider]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
...What I was actually saying is that I think these guys are just jabbering for the hell of it and I think your commercial success is all I'd need to see that their complaining was unwarranted and that the sky really is not falling. I guess I'm a little too good at seeming neutral! Hah.

I actually already pre-ordered the thing.

Oh.

Well that's better than thinking someone was wishing actual failure on us. Thanks. :innocent:

[Dave of Canada]

filaminstrel wrote...

So you could kind of say we're actually "playing" Varric, by controlling his storytelling?

Plot twist.

Hawke gets transformed into a dwarf and changed his name to Varric.

So we're actually still playing Hawke through the entire story.

DUN DUN DUN.

[Collider]

At the end of the game, the story is revealed to be the hallucination of the hermit Varric, a has been who is slowly passing away.

[Onyx Jaguar]

First it was Fable now its Eternal Sonata



Plagiarists! All over the place!

[Arttis]

then you see hawke walk by the hermits corpse.

[SaltyWound]

What a tweest!

[Dave of Canada]

Arttis wrote...

then you see hawke walk by the hermits corpse.

Then for some reason, the hermit's corpse turns into a fish.

Just to confuse everybody.