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[Collider]

Duncan and Hawke eat the fish together, after which they make out, and they live happily ever after.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arttis wrote...

then you see hawke walk by the hermits corpse.

Then for some reason, the hermit's corpse turns into a fish.

Just to confuse everybody.

And everything turns purple, then "Ina-Gadda-Da-Vida" starts blaring in the background

[Lyssistr]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

 Boycotting for what? people usually boycott companies illegal practices, immoral behavior or for stepping beyond their "bounds".

 Unless devs smuggled blood diamonds, used animals to test their wives lipstick or violated your consumer rights, the use of "boycott" is ridiculous.

On the contrary, boycotts are near the heart of capitalism. It's why good products are successful and bad ones aren't. If a customer doesn't like the service they get, they go to a competitor. The competition, in the end, results in better products all-around.

I encourage anyone who really hates what's going on with DA2 to not buy the game. If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Go to wikipedia, read that a boycott is a different thing from choosing not to buy. I'll make it easy

 A boycott is a form of consumer activism involving the act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for political reasons.

bold is mine

Now if you don't like the game don't buy it, that's not activism and saying you do consumer activism for the specifics of a video game is downright ridiculous. 

Btw, since it appears to be hack & slash, most likely I won't be playing it, but that's simply not a boycott. I also don't like sainsbury's yogurt -and don't buy it- is that a boycott too ?.

[Arttis]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arttis wrote...

then you see hawke walk by the hermits corpse.

Then for some reason, the hermit's corpse turns into a fish.

Just to confuse everybody.

And a Krogan comes by and eats the fish just to make everyone go wtf.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Arttis wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arttis wrote...

then you see hawke walk by the hermits corpse.

Then for some reason, the hermit's corpse turns into a fish.

Just to confuse everybody.

And a Krogan comes by and eats the fish just to make everyone go wtf.

Eh? What are you two talking about?

[Felfenix]

lol @ the poll results



So much for the "majority" being in the "BIOWARE IS IGNORING THE PEOPLE!" camp...

[steelfire_dragon]

Thank you and good night, boycotting anything of this magnitude is just plain dumb.

Bioware's games are usually pretty darn good at selling.

thank you and good night further more, most people who talk about boycotting anything are usually the first sodding sod sodders in line for the product in the first place.





so what does sodding mean anyway......



smurf

[Collider]

We're just spoiling the end of Dragon Age 2, nothing to see here.

[Azint]

Remember Left 4 Dead 2.

[Collider]

That was a stellar success.

[Addai]

Lyssistr wrote...

Now if you don't like the game don't buy it, that's not activism and saying you do consumer activism for the specifics of a video game is downright ridiculous. 

Btw, since it appears to be hack & slash, most likely I won't be playing it, but that's simply not a boycott. I also don't like sainsbury's yogurt -and don't buy it- is that a boycott too ?.

If people are not buying it, and encouraging others not to buy it, with the thought of compelling Bioware to make their games a certain way, then why not call it a boycott?  Seems like a quibble to me.

We don't like what we've heard so far, so will probably wait until the price drops.  This in contrast to buying Origins at full retail with the game guide when it first came out.  But that was on the recommendation of it being a Baldur's Gate successor and PC-oriented.  A Mass Effect clone with console focus... much less enthused about that.

[Arttis]

Bioware has you all on strings by the end of the release and the reviews you will all be there to grab it all.

[Grommash94]

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Now if you don't like the game don't buy it, that's not activism and saying you do consumer activism for the specifics of a video game is downright ridiculous. 

Btw, since it appears to be hack & slash, most likely I won't be playing it, but that's simply not a boycott. I also don't like sainsbury's yogurt -and don't buy it- is that a boycott too ?.

If people are not buying it, and encouraging others not to buy it, with the thought of compelling Bioware to make their games a certain way, then why not call it a boycott?  Seems like a quibble to me.

We don't like what we've heard so far, so will probably wait until the price drops.  This in contrast to buying Origins at full retail with the game guide when it first came out.  But that was on the recommendation of it being a Baldur's Gate successor and PC-oriented.  A Mass Effect clone with console focus... much less enthused about that.

Won't comment on the clone bit, even though I myself disagree, there hasn't been any solid proof that there will be console focus. Even the rumor about the 360 being the lead platform was dispelled.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Lyssistr wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

 Boycotting for what? people usually boycott companies illegal practices, immoral behavior or for stepping beyond their "bounds".

 Unless devs smuggled blood diamonds, used animals to test their wives lipstick or violated your consumer rights, the use of "boycott" is ridiculous.

On the contrary, boycotts are near the heart of capitalism. It's why good products are successful and bad ones aren't. If a customer doesn't like the service they get, they go to a competitor. The competition, in the end, results in better products all-around.

I encourage anyone who really hates what's going on with DA2 to not buy the game. If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Go to wikipedia, read that a boycott is a different thing from choosing not to buy. I'll make it easy

 A boycott is a form of consumer activism involving the act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for political reasons.

bold is mine

Now if you don't like the game don't buy it, that's not activism and saying you do consumer activism for the specifics of a video game is downright ridiculous. 

Btw, since it appears to be hack & slash, most likely I won't be playing it, but that's simply not a boycott. I also don't like sainsbury's yogurt -and don't buy it- is that a boycott too ?.

I'd say it's a kind of boycott (nothing in that wikipedia entry goes against my view of the word's usage). You're essentially voting with your cash in a way. Doesn't mean you're doing it intentionally when you don't buy something, but brand loyalty or that sort of thing is certainly a way of supporting a company you favor. I've heard of people here who've bought Bioware's DLCs twice for that very purpose. You don't have to call it a boycott, but the essence of the decision can have the same effects. You can call it activism or you can not. Doesn't matter, it's just a label.

[Arttis]

people are slow at getting info.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Azint wrote...

Remember Left 4 Dead 2.

Note to developers, best not to release things for free because if you announce something totally awesome that looks like the original, fans will RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

[Addai]

Grommash94 wrote...

Won't comment on the clone bit, even though I myself disagree, there hasn't been any solid proof that there will be console focus. Even the rumor about the 360 being the lead platform was dispelled.

The dev's non-answer on the question of PC development was just that.  We'll see how it goes, I'll want to see PC gameplay and the announcement of a toolset release etc. before I'll judge finally, but it doesn't take a dev pronouncement to look at the changes and see "console" written all over them.

[Lyssistr]

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Now if you don't like the game don't buy it, that's not activism and saying you do consumer activism for the specifics of a video game is downright ridiculous. 

Btw, since it appears to be hack & slash, most likely I won't be playing it, but that's simply not a boycott. I also don't like sainsbury's yogurt -and don't buy it- is that a boycott too ?.

If people are not buying it, and encouraging others not to buy it, with the thought of compelling Bioware to make their games a certain way, then why not call it a boycott?  Seems like a quibble to me.

We don't like what we've heard so far, so will probably wait until the price drops.  This in contrast to buying Origins at full retail with the game guide when it first came out.  But that was on the recommendation of it being a Baldur's Gate successor and PC-oriented.  A Mass Effect clone with console focus... much less enthused about that.

Hey, I tell my friends not to get yogurt from sainsbury's, it seems a hell of a boycott organizer . Not buying something you don't/think you won't like and saying that to other people is not a boycott, it's evaluating the product.

Anyhow, if people like to call what they do a boycott, even if it isn't one, they may as well do so, don't really care.

[Azint]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Azint wrote...

Remember Left 4 Dead 2.

Note to developers, best not to release things for free because if you announce something totally awesome that looks like the original, fans will RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

Evidently so.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

That was a stellar success.

I laughed at it's failure.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Lyssistr wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Now if you don't like the game don't buy it, that's not activism and saying you do consumer activism for the specifics of a video game is downright ridiculous. 

Btw, since it appears to be hack & slash, most likely I won't be playing it, but that's simply not a boycott. I also don't like sainsbury's yogurt -and don't buy it- is that a boycott too ?.

If people are not buying it, and encouraging others not to buy it, with the thought of compelling Bioware to make their games a certain way, then why not call it a boycott?  Seems like a quibble to me.

We don't like what we've heard so far, so will probably wait until the price drops.  This in contrast to buying Origins at full retail with the game guide when it first came out.  But that was on the recommendation of it being a Baldur's Gate successor and PC-oriented.  A Mass Effect clone with console focus... much less enthused about that.

Hey, I tell my friends not to get yogurt from sainsbury's, it seems a hell of a boycott organizer . Not buying something you don't/think you won't like and saying that to other people is not a boycott, it's evaluating the product.

Anyhow, if people like to call what they do a boycott, even if it isn't one, they may as well do so, don't really care.

Who said boycotts have to be huge, wildly successful or even make sense just because you think about Rosa Parks when you hear it? You think of 'hunger strike' when you think of Gandhi but I doubt the practice is looked upon as nobly when preteens try it on their parents. Act is still what it is, though. Just semantics.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:45 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Azint wrote...

Remember Left 4 Dead 2.

Because steam can track, Gabe Newell could see people who were in the
boycott were actually buying the game at a higher rate than those who weren't. Likewise with Modern Warfare 2, lots
of crying, but practically everybody on my steam list and the other pc  gaming forum i'm on have it, I don't, obviously. When it comes to bla bla bla and action most gamers are full of wind.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:46 .

[Avilia]

Very much too early for me to say. I've heard things that attract me and not much that doesn't. As I say - early days yet.



I'd say February next year before I decide finally ;-)

[Dave of Canada]

Arttis wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arttis wrote...

then you see hawke walk by the hermits corpse.

Then for some reason, the hermit's corpse turns into a fish.

Just to confuse everybody.

And a Krogan comes by and eats the fish just to make everyone go wtf.

Then the Mass Effect game over screen music kicks in and starts spinning around the Krogan.

[StingingVelvet]

David Gaider wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
If the flaws are really as evident as they profess, the game will tank and Bioware will get the message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but is that the same kind of message that Troika and Black Isle and Looking Glass Studios got, to name a few? I get that you're wishing failure on us (which is thrilling to read, by the way) but I don't think that would send quite the message you're hoping for. Maybe you think we deserve such a fate, I don't know. I don't think those companies deserved theirs, and certainly wouldn't wish it on anyone.

True and point taken, but at the same time how else can a consumer let his or her voice be heard but through low sales?  Games that are not that good should sell less... a game that is not a tactical RPG with true CRPG role-playing should not sell to people who want that from it.

Not saying that is the case with DA2 mind you, just in general.  I don't think one disappointment is enough to close Bioware down and if the game IS disappointing it doesn't deserve to be sold on a charity basis to keep you open.