David Gaider wrote...
MerinTB wrote...
Apply your logic one level more, David, and please don't (and I'm not saying you are, but still be careful) group all people who are concerned with the loudest voices complaining.
You are trying to walk a delicate edge here, and I appreciate it. But you do often come across as if you are essentially, despite often saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions or like adages, dismissing all concerned people as being part of some internet phenomenom that occurs every time a piece of any kind of news hits a forum. To counter with another aphorism (though turned on its head), you make it seem like all you can do is see the forest for the trees.
I can't stress enough that negative criticism is not ignored. We'll read it-- I read it quite often, in fact. Some of it I'll even take to heart if it's expressed thoughtfully enough. Isn't that part of the reason for having a forum like this? You have the opportunity to convince each other, and maybe once in a while a dev, of your opinion.
A lot of times the angriest people aren't trying to be convincing, however. They're simply repeating their broadcast over and over and over again... which is great. All the power to them, right? All I'm saying is that when the forums get "up in arms" about something it shouldn't necessarily be taken as a revolution in progress. That's how it seems, at times. You'll get people running around going omg there are negative posts on the forums! as if that were the end of the world.
Chances are there are some very legitimate concerns in there (like there is now) and perhaps some of those people will even eventually give up and walk away and decide not to buy the game after all. Completely their right. But that doesn't mean that there aren't other people who enjoy the game, and that while I don't want to generalize peoples' reactions it is indeed not the end of the world. It never is.
I read your post. I wish I could make you feel better, and I commisserate on the love of the old school RPG's as well. All I can really say is that you should watch for more info as it comes out-- I think there is stuff there you might love (as you suspect). I hope in the end you decide you're open to trying it out.
I understand that you (and others at BioWare / EA / etc, like Victor) read as much as you can and respond as much as you can.
That wasn't really my point, though - it was that despite your best efforts, and I'm not saying you are failing or that you are doing poorly, you seem to many (some of those concerned at least, many being such a subjective word) like you are lumping everyone together. No matter how much you plead that you are not, that is often how you are seen.
I honestly don't think there is anything you can do about it.
You are right on the level that there are people who just like to complain. You are right that, as a rule, any sequel to anything will disappoint a percentage of those who loved the first one.
But there are others (I tend to think of myself as one of them) who do everything they can to NOT jump on these kind of bandwagons (and tend to, in general, avoid forums due to this kind of thing) - NWN disappointed despite wanting to love it, I didn't come scream on forums or even join a forum for that matter. KotOR became a console game, ME was a 360 only game (no PC release date until, wow, yes, there was a PC version despite being told there wouldn't be), and so on for me. I have no problem with the reality of DLC, with the changes in Awakenings, with the changes (game mechanics) in ME2.
DA2 is, honestly, the first time in my life that I've had this visceral reaction, and for a time after some of the "troubling" (subjective) tidbits of info were released I held back on saying anything at all specifically because I know that 1.) there'd be the "shut up, I think it's great" and "go whine somewhere else, and get a life" jerks trolling the threads AND 2.) at this point there is NOTHING that can really be done about the changes so railing against the developers is not only an exercise in futility it also sets one up to have egg on one's face if you actually like the game when it is released. I held back. I finally started reading some threads, and only started posting because I have this knee-jerk reaction of trying to keep debate civil, play devil's advocate and defend those who share similar views as me from people who's idea of debating or discussing involves fallcies (mostly ad hominem attacks and personal incredulity - "I don't understand why X bothers people, I'm fine with X" rhetorical nonsense.)
So I know there's nothing you can really do for me beside help design the best story/game that you know how inside the reality of video games today. And you are right to point out that I myself am acknowledging that there will be different things, even new things, that I'll most likely enjoy enough that, like ME2, it'll balance out in the end as a positive.
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A boycott is seriously not the answer to this kind of thing. It's trite to say, but it is also true - if you don't like the game or what you think the game will be like, don't buy the game. That isn't to say don't voice your concerns (I know I am) but organizing people to complain about the design of a luxury good just because you would rather it was done more to your liking is just silly.
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Now as for this guy -
Solid N7 wrote...
If
you don´t like the change of DA2 then don´t buy it period. Stop
whinnig about your obssesion with the roleplaying and how bioware is iin
big conspiracy against all the hardcore pc gamers , really with thread
like this I really think the worst otakus are the hardcore pc gamers.
Hypocrisy is telling others to stop doing what you yourself are doing. Here you are whining about me whining. Capiche?
Then there's the strawman claiming that my positive comment (telling David that something he just shared with us sounded cool), let alone myself in general, promotes or points to a belief in conspiracy theories about BioWare being against pc gamers. Honestly, if you can't avoid trying to poison the well then you either don't know how to debate or you are uncertain that your views are strong enough to stand on their own.
Finally I resent being included in an ad hominem attack against people voicing concerns over DA2. BSN is nothing if not a forum for people to talk about BioWare games - it is not like this is the place to go for advice on relationships or how to fix your car - criticizing people for using the forums for what they were created for is actually ironic. But claiming that everyone who has a problem with the apparent changes to DA2 are hardcore PC gamers, let alone "obsessive PC gamers who never leave home because all they do is play PC games" - (what your use of otaku would mean contextually), is your attempt to insult those you disagree with instead of simply stating your opposing views.
I'd strongly encourage you to become a little more positive, proactive, constructive in your arguments. These kind of attacks should be reported.
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I mean really who doesn't find this funny "And... do try not to get swallowed whole. If the beast were to fly 
. As for the state of the forum im afraid your more than likely stuck with it for a while. Guess you could just not go in threads with titles like this?
