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[MyKingdomCold]

I was wondering if you can bury King Cailan's body or do whatever people in Ferelden do to dead bodies.

Whenever I played RtO and looked at King Cailan's body, Alistair would say something like, "Forgive me. Once we defeat the archdemon we'll come back and give you a proper burial." (paraphrasing I know)

So if I were to return to Ostagar after finishing the main story and the archdemon has been defeated, can we give Cailan a proper burial? Or is he destined to be like that for eternity?

[Sarah1281]

Dwarves bury their dead. The Dalish plant a tree over them. Humans burn them. I'm not sure why Alistair is saying to wait. When you kill the ogre that killed Cailan and the necromancer darkspawn you're supposed to return to Cailan and

a) Leave him there

Feed him to the wolves

c) Give him a proper funeral pyre

[Addai]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I was wondering if you can bury King Cailan's body or do whatever people in Ferelden do to dead bodies.

Whenever I played RtO and looked at King Cailan's body, Alistair would say something like, "Forgive me. Once we defeat the archdemon we'll come back and give you a proper burial." (paraphrasing I know)

So if I were to return to Ostagar after finishing the main story and the archdemon has been defeated, can we give Cailan a proper burial? Or is he destined to be like that for eternity?

Alistair is referring to you killing the rest of the darkspawn in Ostagar.  Once you get through the final boss battle, you go back to the cave entrance and that triggers a cutscene where you can decide what to do with Cailan's body:  A funeral pyre, take it down and abandon it, or leave it as it is.  Choose wisely if you don't want to lose approval with Alistair.

[Sarah1281]

Though hopefully you can find it within yourself to treat the dead with respect no matter what Alistair thinks.

[Zjarcal]

The only thing that annoys me of the "pyre" option is having to say that he deserves it because he is of royal blood.



Royal blood or not he deserves a respectful funeral.

[Sarah1281]

Yeah, that sounds so elitist of the Warden and unless they are noble themselves I don't see why they would have any reason to be.

[Bahlgan]

Something Bioware may have overlooked. That tends to happen alot.

[phaonica]

The whole "followers of the Chantry burn their dead" thing is a little bit inconsistant lore-wise throughout the game. I think I remember at least one human mention burying people's bones, and I remember at least one mausoleum full of coffins and skeletons.

[TheSpaceKraken]

phaonica wrote...

The whole "followers of the Chantry burn their dead" thing is a little bit inconsistant lore-wise throughout the game. I think I remember at least one human mention burying people's bones, and I remember at least one mausoleum full of coffins and skeletons.

I think the mausoleum full of coffins and skeletons you are referring to is the Avvar Deep Crypt, but I myself can't remember any human NPC mention burying corpses.

[phaonica]

TheSpaceKraken wrote...

phaonica wrote...

The whole "followers of the Chantry burn their dead" thing is a little bit inconsistant lore-wise throughout the game. I think I remember at least one human mention burying people's bones, and I remember at least one mausoleum full of coffins and skeletons.

I think the mausoleum full of coffins and skeletons you are referring to is the Avvar Deep Crypt, but I myself can't remember any human NPC mention burying corpses.

I'm talking about the mausoleum behind the Blackmarsh village. And the quote I was thinking of was from Wynne in her Fade Nightmare: "Leave me to my grief. I shall bury their bones, scatter their ashes to the four winds, and mourn their passing till I too am dead."

I guess they... what... burn the bodies down to the bones, then either bury the bones or put them in coffins in mausoleums?

[Chuvvy]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Though hopefully you can find it within yourself to treat the dead with respect no matter what Alistair thinks.

I like the fact that you have enough time to do a full cremation. That takes awhile.

[MyKingdomCold]

Maybe there's something wrong because I'm pretty sure I've killed all the darkspawn and Alistair still says to wait.

[Kryyptehk]

Have you done the Tower of Ishal and killed the necro darkspawn?

[MyKingdomCold]

yes

[HopHazzard]

Zjarcal wrote...

The only thing that annoys me of the "pyre" option is having to say that he deserves it because he is of royal blood.

Royal blood or not he deserves a respectful funeral.

Felt particularly out of place coming from my Dalish warden.

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

The only thing that annoys me of the "pyre" option is having to say that he deserves it because he is of royal blood.

Royal blood or not he deserves a respectful funeral.

That's true, though it's not far off from a feudal mindset.  The king represents the entire people, so indignity to him is a greater offense because it's more symbolic, cuts more deeply.  The question I have is whether the darkspawn knew this and hence treated Cailan like this as a deliberate taunt.  It sure looks that way to me.  In fact, in the Ostagar cutscene it looks to me like the ogre is making straight for Cailan knowingly.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Though hopefully you can find it within yourself to treat the dead with respect no matter what Alistair thinks.

??  Alistair gives disapproval if you do anything but give Cailan a pyre.

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

The whole "followers of the Chantry burn their dead" thing is a little bit inconsistant lore-wise throughout the game. I think I remember at least one human mention burying people's bones, and I remember at least one mausoleum full of coffins and skeletons.

The Dalish and dwarves bury their dead, and when you talk to Alistair about this as a PC from one of those origins it's presented in contrast to how humans do thing, so I don't see it as a contradiction.

There are dungeons aplenty with undead skeletons, but correct me if I'm wrong- I think these are only in elven and dwarven areas.  And in Redcliffe, naturally, with the demon running amok.

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

I'm talking about the mausoleum behind the Blackmarsh village. And the quote I was thinking of was from Wynne in her Fade Nightmare: "Leave me to my grief. I shall bury their bones, scatter their ashes to the four winds, and mourn their passing till I too am dead."

I guess they... what... burn the bodies down to the bones, then either bury the bones or put them in coffins in mausoleums?

It could be that a funeral pyre only burns the flesh.  It takes a hot fire, I think, to turn bone to ash.  I could be wrong on this but that sounds like what Wynne describes.  Or she could be talking about burying the elven apprentices after elven fashion.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Though hopefully you can find it within yourself to treat the dead with respect no matter what Alistair thinks.

??  Alistair gives disapproval if you do anything but give Cailan a pyre.

Yes, and I was responding to the idea that you should give Cailan a pyre so Alistair wouldn't lose approval. I think that you should really decide to treat the dead with respect on your own and Alistair approving of your actions should not factor into it.

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

The only thing that annoys me of the "pyre" option is having to say that he deserves it because he is of royal blood.

Royal blood or not he deserves a respectful funeral.

That's true, though it's not far off from a feudal mindset.  The king represents the entire people, so indignity to him is a greater offense because it's more symbolic, cuts more deeply.  The question I have is whether the darkspawn knew this and hence treated Cailan like this as a deliberate taunt.  It sure looks that way to me.  In fact, in the Ostagar cutscene it looks to me like the ogre is making straight for Cailan knowingly.

It certainly goes with the feudal mentality, but unless you're a human noble (or a commoner if there had been a human commoner origin) it still feels out of place. I can hardly see how a Dalish or a Dwarf Commoner would care about human royal blood.

You do make a good point about the Darkspawn and Cailan. It does make sense, seeing how Cailan was the only body that wasn't simply left on the ground. Also, I hadn't noticed about the Ogre in the Ostagar cutscene. He sure does go straight for Cailan.

[Finiffa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Though hopefully you can find it within yourself to treat the dead with respect no matter what Alistair thinks.

??  Alistair gives disapproval if you do anything but give Cailan a pyre.

Yes, and I was responding to the idea that you should give Cailan a pyre so Alistair wouldn't lose approval. I think that you should really decide to treat the dead with respect on your own and Alistair approving of your actions should not factor into it.

Since building him a pyre will be the only decent option for most people I do not understand why Alistair needs to be mentioned specifically. I loose approval with Zevran and Morrigan if I build a pyre but I do not care about that either....I just think it is weird from Zevran but I still do it.

[DWSmiley]

Zevran even disapproves if you leave Cailan's body for the wolves. That really surpised me. I thought that would appeal to his Dalish heritage. I don't understand why he only approves of leaving the body for the darkspawn - and he's the only companion who does.

[Addai]

DWSmiley wrote...

Zevran even disapproves if you leave Cailan's body for the wolves. That really surpised me. I thought that would appeal to his Dalish heritage. I don't understand why he only approves of leaving the body for the darkspawn - and he's the only companion who does.

That seems really OOC for me, because Zevran has an appreciation for religious faith and what I would call the mysteries of life.  I'm thinking of his awestruck declaration as you enter the Ashes chamber, "Mother of mercy, it IS real!"  I take it that it is meant to show he's pragmatic about death and doesn't see the need to ritualize it.  As a Zevran fan, I don't like it.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Though hopefully you can find it within yourself to treat the dead with respect no matter what Alistair thinks.

??  Alistair gives disapproval if you do anything but give Cailan a pyre.

Yes, and I was responding to the idea that you should give Cailan a pyre so Alistair wouldn't lose approval. I think that you should really decide to treat the dead with respect on your own and Alistair approving of your actions should not factor into it.

It's Alistair's brother, his word on what is done with him should have weight.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 juillet 2010 - 09:57 .