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[sonlockdon]

Grommash94 wrote...


Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

not true he was a peasant living in lothering he fleed when the darkspawn horde attacked it, read the reviews and you might have known that. so technically he was a peasant before anything else.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...
The moment they told me about the calling after 30 years of being Warden, I knew that the sequel won't be about the Warden.

Why? The Warden still has 30 years left to live.

[Nimander]

Dragon Age: Origins had one story. It isn't like the entire story changed whether you played a Human or Dwarf Noble. There were flourishes here or there, and about an hour's worth of Origin Story. That's it. You're using hyberbole when you say that DAO had lots of stories.



Lots of minor impact, or one story with more depth. Both can be interesting, depending on how it's presented. It's not a step backwards, it's simply a different focus than you personally want.

[Daerog]

DA:O did not have lots of stories, it had origins that all got sucked up into one story. You can imagine your own origin for Hawke as he was a child in Lothering, imagine him growing up as a bully or as a protector of the bullied. Sorry if you have no imagination or roleplaying skill.

[Grommash94]

sonlockdon wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

not true he was a peasant living in lothering he fleed when the darkspawn horde attacked it, read the reviews and you might have known that. so technically he was a peasant before anything else.

No, it doesn't say that. It says he lived in Lothering; it does not say how long, or that is where he is from.

[Vizkos]

So, let me get this straight. You play the game over and over again, where only the origin story is different (all 30 minutes of it, give or take), yet you are complaining about all that needless space and time being taken away to concentrate more on the main story? If you still want to be the one who "knocks people up" and then the noble valiant warrior no doubtingly you can, you just don't have pointy ears. If you want, you could most likely create a shorter than normal person in the game and "pretend" its a dwarf if you are that angry about it.

[pmaura]

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Whats with all these threads today specifically?

I was wondering the same thing.  They're all over the place.

well some people like me, liked the idea of playing a dwarf who knocked up people and had illegitamet children, and then decied to play a decent human noble. but now, we cant, we just get hte human peasant.

By the way there was supposed to be a human peasant origin story in DAO but I guess they relized that instead of DLC they could make a full game of it.

I logged 140 hours on DAO, playing all the different combinations, but now,  I only get a choice of one.

And these threads specificalt have come becuase of IGN and 1ups previews. of this game.

Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

I dont care if Hawke or Comander Ace I PWN the World, is a narcisicitic necrophilia dwarf, a lord of a county or a captain of a ship, its the fact there only doing one story where DAO had lots.

Its a step backwards, its not offering as much as the original. A sequel in my eyes shoudl offer more the the original

But they are offering more. Hawke will very much be your character; the devs have said that you can shape him in many ways, and that his rise to power can be attained various ways. Whereas the Warden can only kill the archdemon and save Ferelden.

Don't just judge the game by the backgrounds. Shaping your character by your actions in game is just as important.

No there not, I could shape, my Dalish Elf, My City Elf, My Noble Dwarf, My Thug Dwarf and My Human all in many different ways unique to there up bringing. but now I am stuck to Just ONE ORIGIN STORY, WHICH IS NOT A SEQUEL this shoud be an EXPANSION or DLC.

[Saibh]

Grommash94 wrote...

sonlockdon wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

not true he was a peasant living in lothering he fleed when the darkspawn horde attacked it, read the reviews and you might have known that. so technically he was a peasant before anything else.

No, it doesn't say that. It says he lived in Lothering; it does not say how long, or that is where he is from.

But thumbs up for the arrogant, condescending attitude, sonlockdon.

[Daerog]

Grommash94 wrote...

sonlockdon wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

not true he was a peasant living in lothering he fleed when the darkspawn horde attacked it, read the reviews and you might have known that. so technically he was a peasant before anything else.

No, it doesn't say that. It says he lived in Lothering; it does not say how long, or that is where he is from.

True, mages aren't exactly peasants now are they? I forgot about being a mage.

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Whats with all these threads today specifically?

I was wondering the same thing.  They're all over the place.

well some people like me, liked the idea of playing a dwarf who knocked up people and had illegitamet children, and then decied to play a decent human noble. but now, we cant, we just get hte human peasant.

By the way there was supposed to be a human peasant origin story in DAO but I guess they relized that instead of DLC they could make a full game of it.

I logged 140 hours on DAO, playing all the different combinations, but now,  I only get a choice of one.

And these threads specificalt have come becuase of IGN and 1ups previews. of this game.

Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

I dont care if Hawke or Comander Ace I PWN the World, is a narcisicitic necrophilia dwarf, a lord of a county or a captain of a ship, its the fact there only doing one story where DAO had lots.

Its a step backwards, its not offering as much as the original. A sequel in my eyes shoudl offer more the the original

But they are offering more. Hawke will very much be your character; the devs have said that you can shape him in many ways, and that his rise to power can be attained various ways. Whereas the Warden can only kill the archdemon and save Ferelden.

Don't just judge the game by the backgrounds. Shaping your character by your actions in game is just as important.

No there not, I could shape, my Dalish Elf, My City Elf, My Noble Dwarf, My Thug Dwarf and My Human all in many different ways unique to there up bringing. but now I am stuck to Just ONE ORIGIN STORY, WHICH IS NOT A SEQUEL this shoud be an EXPANSION or DLC.

No, you couldn't really shape your characters. You can determine their backgrounds, but you wind up saving Ferelden no matter what, and you wind up killing the Archdemon no matter what.

Your Origins had very little bearing on the game, sorry to say.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Awakening is the sequel you are looking for



Because it is caught in between being an expansion pack and a sequel

[pmaura]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

So, let me get this straight. You play the game over and over again, where only the origin story is different (all 30 minutes of it, give or take), yet you are complaining about all that needless space and time being taken away to concentrate more on the main story? If you still want to be the one who "knocks people up" and then the noble valiant warrior no doubtingly you can, you just don't have pointy ears. If you want, you could most likely create a shorter than normal person in the game and "pretend" its a dwarf if you are that angry about it.

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not. they are limiting the choices. You may be  a blind fanbois but they are, this is not a sequel.

They are not going to be able to offer the amount of options as they did with DAO.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Solostran85 wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...
The moment they told me about the calling after 30 years of being Warden, I knew that the sequel won't be about the Warden.

Why? The Warden still has 30 years left to live.

The idea of they giving us "somewhat" a closure was shown very clear by it.
And the fact the Warden can die or becoming the wife of the King also hint that.
There are too many endings that can't be carried on, unless you want something like Awakening.

They wouldn't do that if they decided the Warden's adventure should continue in the sequel.

[aludrac7]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Want the same character? It is Mass Effect that you want. Sorry.

this is just not true, for Baldur's Gate using the same character worked also perfectly

Yeah yeah. What happened in BG2 if you kill Jaheira and Minsc and have an evil party in the end of BG1?

Hehe. Reminds me, back in the day my main BG1 party actually was Minsc, Dynaheir, Jaheira, Kalid and Imoen, so everything worked out for me perfectly. Hooray for accidently following future canon.

And these topic are ridiculous. ON NO! I can't play as a dwarf! All role-playing potential fun is lost. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

pmaura wrote...

Prosthetics511 wrote...

So, let me get this straight. You play the game over and over again, where only the origin story is different (all 30 minutes of it, give or take), yet you are complaining about all that needless space and time being taken away to concentrate more on the main story? If you still want to be the one who "knocks people up" and then the noble valiant warrior no doubtingly you can, you just don't have pointy ears. If you want, you could most likely create a shorter than normal person in the game and "pretend" its a dwarf if you are that angry about it.

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not. they are limiting the choices. You may be  a blind fanbois but they are, this is not a sequel.

They are not going to be able to offer the amount of options as they did with DAO.

And that is told in Epilogue text and you are never shown what actually happens.  IE those were tacked on

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

Prosthetics511 wrote...

So, let me get this straight. You play the game over and over again, where only the origin story is different (all 30 minutes of it, give or take), yet you are complaining about all that needless space and time being taken away to concentrate more on the main story? If you still want to be the one who "knocks people up" and then the noble valiant warrior no doubtingly you can, you just don't have pointy ears. If you want, you could most likely create a shorter than normal person in the game and "pretend" its a dwarf if you are that angry about it.

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not. they are limiting the choices. You may be  a blind fanbois but they are, this is not a sequel.

They are not going to be able to offer the amount of options as they did with DAO.

Background options. There will be more ways to shape Hawke, as you aren't forced to be someone who has to save the world or defeat an evil no matter what. You are just someone who gets to rise to power in various ways.

[pmaura]

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Whats with all these threads today specifically?

I was wondering the same thing.  They're all over the place.

well some people like me, liked the idea of playing a dwarf who knocked up people and had illegitamet children, and then decied to play a decent human noble. but now, we cant, we just get hte human peasant.

By the way there was supposed to be a human peasant origin story in DAO but I guess they relized that instead of DLC they could make a full game of it.

I logged 140 hours on DAO, playing all the different combinations, but now,  I only get a choice of one.

And these threads specificalt have come becuase of IGN and 1ups previews. of this game.

Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

I dont care if Hawke or Comander Ace I PWN the World, is a narcisicitic necrophilia dwarf, a lord of a county or a captain of a ship, its the fact there only doing one story where DAO had lots.

Its a step backwards, its not offering as much as the original. A sequel in my eyes shoudl offer more the the original

But they are offering more. Hawke will very much be your character; the devs have said that you can shape him in many ways, and that his rise to power can be attained various ways. Whereas the Warden can only kill the archdemon and save Ferelden.

Don't just judge the game by the backgrounds. Shaping your character by your actions in game is just as important.

No there not, I could shape, my Dalish Elf, My City Elf, My Noble Dwarf, My Thug Dwarf and My Human all in many different ways unique to there up bringing. but now I am stuck to Just ONE ORIGIN STORY, WHICH IS NOT A SEQUEL this shoud be an EXPANSION or DLC.

No, you couldn't really shape your characters. You can determine their backgrounds, but you wind up saving Ferelden no matter what, and you wind up killing the Archdemon no matter what.

Your Origins had very little bearing on the game, sorry to say.

Once again you played through once, yes they didnt have an option of lettign you fail, but they did let you kill your self or become queen, or save your elvish people, or lots more if you were a dwarf.

And the fact that you dont think you could shape your character with the differnt origins tells me that you should go back to FPS.

[pmaura]

The truth is we had more options in DAO, there is NO arguing that. If you honestly think by limiting us to one race and one socioecomic backgroung gives more options, I see then you all live in the land of denial where 5 minus 4 equals 10.



In Baldurs gate people would of flipped if we werent allowed to choose a race. 1 UP said it the best. So much for the resurgence of the western RPG

[Hawksblud]

I love the human!hate. It's cheerfully ironic, once you consider the sheer variation in our own world, which, y'know, is entirely human. >_< Really, much as I love playing my dwarf, it's ridiculous to act as if a change in species limits personality attributes. The two things are not related.

[Riona45]

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

[Riona45]

Hawksblud wrote...

I love the human!hate. It's cheerfully ironic, once you consider the sheer variation in our own world, which, y'know, is entirely human. >_< Really, much as I love playing my dwarf, it's ridiculous to act as if a change in species limits personality attributes. The two things are not related.

Yeah, I don't get it either.

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Whats with all these threads today specifically?

I was wondering the same thing.  They're all over the place.

well some people like me, liked the idea of playing a dwarf who knocked up people and had illegitamet children, and then decied to play a decent human noble. but now, we cant, we just get hte human peasant.

By the way there was supposed to be a human peasant origin story in DAO but I guess they relized that instead of DLC they could make a full game of it.

I logged 140 hours on DAO, playing all the different combinations, but now,  I only get a choice of one.

And these threads specificalt have come becuase of IGN and 1ups previews. of this game.

Both of which were annoyingly innaccurate, and just spread misinformation. And we don't, don't, know that Hawke is a human peasant. He is human, fine, but we don't know if he lived in Lothering his entire life.

I dont care if Hawke or Comander Ace I PWN the World, is a narcisicitic necrophilia dwarf, a lord of a county or a captain of a ship, its the fact there only doing one story where DAO had lots.

Its a step backwards, its not offering as much as the original. A sequel in my eyes shoudl offer more the the original

But they are offering more. Hawke will very much be your character; the devs have said that you can shape him in many ways, and that his rise to power can be attained various ways. Whereas the Warden can only kill the archdemon and save Ferelden.

Don't just judge the game by the backgrounds. Shaping your character by your actions in game is just as important.

No there not, I could shape, my Dalish Elf, My City Elf, My Noble Dwarf, My Thug Dwarf and My Human all in many different ways unique to there up bringing. but now I am stuck to Just ONE ORIGIN STORY, WHICH IS NOT A SEQUEL this shoud be an EXPANSION or DLC.

No, you couldn't really shape your characters. You can determine their backgrounds, but you wind up saving Ferelden no matter what, and you wind up killing the Archdemon no matter what.

Your Origins had very little bearing on the game, sorry to say.

Once again you played through once, yes they didnt have an option of lettign you fail, but they did let you kill your self or become queen, or save your elvish people, or lots more if you were a dwarf.

And the fact that you dont think you could shape your character with the differnt origins tells me that you should go back to FPS.

'claps' Nice, you are obviously really good at reading people. I am an FPSer who doesn't deserve to play RPGers and bla bla bla.

I have played DA:O a lot, and I love the game. But the fact is that your race had very little impact on the game until the end. Even then, it hardly matters.

Awakening barely acknowledges many of the epilogue changes anyway.

[aludrac7]

pmaura wrote...

The truth is we had more options in DAO, there is NO arguing that. If you honestly think by limiting us to one race and one socioecomic backgroung gives more options, I see then you all live in the land of denial where 5 minus 4 equals 10.

In Baldurs gate people would of flipped if we werent allowed to choose a race. 1 UP said it the best. So much for the resurgence of the western RPG

If you think having more origins automatically creates more options then you live in the land of unfounded assumptions. There could very well be more options in the game if the developers present us with more choices with more varried choices to select from.

In Baldur's Gate you could choose from a number of races. In Planescape: Torment you had to be a male human, and that game rocked and gave you more roleplaying freedom than Baldur's Gate.

You know, in pen and paper games I always played a human male, because that is what I rolled, and I never crapped my pants over it. So what is your excuse?

Modifié par aludrac7, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:46 .

[Saibh]

pmaura wrote...

The truth is we had more options in DAO, there is NO arguing that. If you honestly think by limiting us to one race and one socioecomic backgroung gives more options, I see then you all live in the land of denial where 5 minus 4 equals 10.

In Baldurs gate people would of flipped if we werent allowed to choose a race. 1 UP said it the best. So much for the resurgence of the western RPG

O-M-G, you've played DA2? You know how many non-superficial choices it allows? Tell us more, O Wise One.

[pmaura]

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.