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[Onyx Jaguar]

I was as well as fellow players like me were told that "we didn't roleplay right" when we argued against the retcon of the US in Awakening. You'll find no sympathy from me.

[pmaura]

Saibh wrote...

pmaura wrote...

The truth is we had more options in DAO, there is NO arguing that. If you honestly think by limiting us to one race and one socioecomic backgroung gives more options, I see then you all live in the land of denial where 5 minus 4 equals 10.

In Baldurs gate people would of flipped if we werent allowed to choose a race. 1 UP said it the best. So much for the resurgence of the western RPG

O-M-G, you've played DA2? You know how many non-superficial choices it allows? Tell us more, O Wise One.

Dont need to play it to knwo there only leting us play one race. they admit it freely. there is only one origin story. so yes I am wise in that regards.

I am also wise in nowing that by reducing otions you reduce choice.

They want it more focused. That means less choice.

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

[aludrac7]

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

You don't understand what a sequel is. It is still a sequel, even if you they take out features that you liked. Man up and deal with it.

And I don't want to stoop to your role playing elitism, but honestly, I don't think YOU understand what an RPG is. I have always thought the most important part of an RPG is how you play the character, even if it is a character you are given and not one you create. I can play any character and make it my own (assuming the game is good, of course).

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Grommash94 wrote...
They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

Name a few.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Solostran85 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

Name a few.

Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

[aludrac7]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

Name a few.

Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

Character driven narrative.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

Being stuck with one voice isn't much of an option now is it?

[Grommash94]

Solostran85 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

Name a few.

The devs have stated that Hawke will not really be a defined character. You won't be on a mission to save the world or defeat evil. You will rise to power through various means of your own choosing.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Solostran85 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...
They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

Name a few.

With 10 years span of gameplay time, the long-term consquenses of some choices will not be left into the end game to show. We'll get them maybe 3 years or 5 years after the choices are made.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Solostran85 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

Being stuck with one voice isn't much of an option now is it?

And being stuck with no voice is not an option either

[Grommash94]

Solostran85 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

Being stuck with one voice isn't much of an option now is it?

For a lot of people it means better connection with the character.

Others feel differently, but still, the point stands.

[Saibh]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

Being stuck with one voice isn't much of an option now is it?

And being stuck with no voice is not an option either

Ooh, well said, sir! I liked that comeback.

[pmaura]

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

They are not adding any options by reducing races and socio economic classes. I find your lack of depth disturbing.

There adding dismemberment, ok hmm, and there adding little pictures on the side of the dialog options so you know how its going to affect the other person thereby taking out chance.

But there is no way on gods green earth you can tell me there offereing more choices by limiting options.

Seriously, if the options are Human Peasant.

or

Human Peasnat
Dwarf  Merchant
Elf Sociopath.

which one do you think you can write more story lines for the one with Just human peasnat?

[Riona45]

pmaura wrote...


you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Says someone who doesn't know anything about me, or my long history of playing RPGs, including tabletop RPGs.

I'd refrain from making assumptions, sweetheart.  It won't make your own arguments any more convincing.

Modifié par Riona45, 25 juillet 2010 - 05:58 .

[Lyssistr]

pmaura wrote...

Saibh wrote...

pmaura wrote...

The truth is we had more options in DAO, there is NO arguing that. If you honestly think by limiting us to one race and one socioecomic backgroung gives more options, I see then you all live in the land of denial where 5 minus 4 equals 10.

In Baldurs gate people would of flipped if we werent allowed to choose a race. 1 UP said it the best. So much for the resurgence of the western RPG

O-M-G, you've played DA2? You know how many non-superficial choices it allows? Tell us more, O Wise One.

Dont need to play it to knwo there only leting us play one race. they admit it freely. there is only one origin story. so yes I am wise in that regards.

I am also wise in nowing that by reducing otions you reduce choice.

They want it more focused. That means less choice.

race didn't matter that much in BG/BG II. Whatever you were you started from Candlekeep in BG I and killed Sarevok and in BG II you found yourself prisoned by Irenicus, joined bodhi or the other guys (don't remember names shadow thieves, thieves guild, something like that), then off to spellhold, then to the fishpeople city, then to save the dragon's eggs/drowtown, kill bodhi, go to elven city & fight irenicus x2.

How does race affect all that in a significant way? you may choose a race but it's hardly important.

Edit: don't play the I'm old school and therefore pro card, many people on these forums had played IE games and remember a couple of things about them.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:00 .

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

They are not adding any options by reducing races and socio economic classes. I find your lack of depth disturbing.

There adding dismemberment, ok hmm, and there adding little pictures on the side of the dialog options so you know how its going to affect the other person thereby taking out chance.

But there is no way on gods green earth you can tell me there offereing more choices by limiting options.

Seriously, if the options are Human Peasant.

or

Human Peasnat
Dwarf  Merchant
Elf Sociopath.

which one do you think you can write more story lines for the one with Just human peasnat?

I feel as though I am writing in invisible ink or something (or rather typing in an invisible font color ) He has not been confirmed to be a human peasant. You will have control over what sort of character he is by choosing story choices and not being confined to being a hero.

Modifié par Grommash94, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:00 .

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Voice over for the Protagonist

Omgomg

Being stuck with one voice isn't much of an option now is it?

And being stuck with no voice is not an option either

Actually you were able to pick from several voice sets, they just weren't very vocal outside of combat.

[pmaura]

aludrac7 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

You don't understand what a sequel is. It is still a sequel, even if you they take out features that you liked. Man up and deal with it.

And I don't want to stoop to your role playing elitism, but honestly, I don't think YOU understand what an RPG is. I have always thought the most important part of an RPG is how you play the character, even if it is a character you are given and not one you create. I can play any character and make it my own (assuming the game is good, of course).

Once again a person who loves mediocricy, they gave us a peach, that had all these choices, and then they decide screw that. for the sequel where taking away choices.

Hey if your ok with sequels not be on par with the original or not as good or not as in depth thats great for you, but I was hoping more from bioware, but I guess there more EA now anyway

[Saibh]

pmaura wrote...

Saibh wrote...

pmaura wrote...

The truth is we had more options in DAO, there is NO arguing that. If you honestly think by limiting us to one race and one socioecomic backgroung gives more options, I see then you all live in the land of denial where 5 minus 4 equals 10.

In Baldurs gate people would of flipped if we werent allowed to choose a race. 1 UP said it the best. So much for the resurgence of the western RPG

O-M-G, you've played DA2? You know how many non-superficial choices it allows? Tell us more, O Wise One.

Dont need to play it to knwo there only leting us play one race. they admit it freely. there is only one origin story. so yes I am wise in that regards.

I am also wise in nowing that by reducing otions you reduce choice.

They want it more focused. That means less choice.

Really. Because I would think that the real choices are the kind that affect gameplay. Not the sort where you occasionally hear someone tell you that you're an elf. The Origins gave you a basis upon which to "feel" the world--something I greatly enjoy. It was a cool exposition mechanic. But it didn't offer any real choice, save the differences in the actual Origins themselves. If you think so, you delude yourself.

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

aludrac7 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

You don't understand what a sequel is. It is still a sequel, even if you they take out features that you liked. Man up and deal with it.

And I don't want to stoop to your role playing elitism, but honestly, I don't think YOU understand what an RPG is. I have always thought the most important part of an RPG is how you play the character, even if it is a character you are given and not one you create. I can play any character and make it my own (assuming the game is good, of course).

Once again a person who loves mediocricy, they gave us a peach, that had all these choices, and then they decide screw that. for the sequel where taking away choices.

Hey if your ok with sequels not be on par with the original or not as good or not as in depth thats great for you, but I was hoping more from bioware, but I guess there more EA now anyway

............

*RAGES*

[Riona45]

Lyssistr wrote...



race didn't matter that much in BG/BG II. Whatever you were you started from Candlekeep in BG I and killed Sarevok and in BG II you found yourself prisoned by Irenicus, joined bodhi or the other guys (don't remember names shadow thieves, thieves guild, something like that), then off to spellhold, then to the fishpeople city, then to save the dragon's eggs/drowtown, kill bodhi, go to elven city & fight irenicus x2.

How does race affect all that in a significant way? you may choose a race but it's hardly important.

It didn't affect much, except for odd bits of dialogue here and there and who would be willing to romance you.  And what classes you could take.

The BG games were based off of 2E D&D, and allowed race and class selections based on that.

Modifié par Riona45, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:04 .

[aludrac7]

pmaura wrote...

which one do you think you can write more story lines for the one with Just human peasnat?

You can write an unlimited number of choices for origin. The question is how many can they program in. There were only a small number of origin specific decisions in DA:O, especially after each story bottlenecked into the main game, where they all became virtually identical.

If they program more options in DA2, then there will be more options.

If I make a game with 3 races and each has 5 options then that is fifteen options.
How about a game with 1 race and 15 options. That is more options to make in a single play through, just as many options total and could potentially lead to more varied outcomes since there are more decisions to make in a single playthrough.

We don't know enough information to be forming opinions yet. Relax.

[Hawksblud]

Dropping the origins allows the devs to spend more time and invest more energy into creating more paths and storylines and quests and yes, options for Hawke. Instead of creating seven different origins with very little substance, they can create one huge origin with seven times the choices! Instead of each of your playthroughs getting a different small piece of the pie, now you can sit down and eat the whole thing at once, and still be left with dozens of combinations for the next time.