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[Onyx Jaguar]

Awakening has an epic choice at the end of the game that effects gameplay. If DA 2 builds on top of htat then I am good.

[Batman90]

pmaura wrote...
The truth of the matter is you only allowing us one origin story now, instead of the multiple you gave us with the original. as some one said earlier and it needs to be repeated your making us play your hero instead of our own.

The RPG genre is by-and-large stagnant due to attitudes like this. Who says that it is "their hero" and not "your hero" just because they decided to cut Origin stories so that they could make the primary campaign better? There are more ways to handle character customization than just having a bunch of options at the start and going with it. Instead, couldn't character customization come as the story progresses? As in, the character is defined not by his or her backstory, but by his or her actions and choices throughout the course of the plot? I'm sorry, but your judgement of the game is a severely traditionalist and anti-progressive stance on RPG develoment.
 

[pmaura]

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

They are stripping some options but ADDING others.

They are not adding any options by reducing races and socio economic classes. I find your lack of depth disturbing.

There adding dismemberment, ok hmm, and there adding little pictures on the side of the dialog options so you know how its going to affect the other person thereby taking out chance.

But there is no way on gods green earth you can tell me there offereing more choices by limiting options.

Seriously, if the options are Human Peasant.

or

Human Peasnat
Dwarf  Merchant
Elf Sociopath.

which one do you think you can write more story lines for the one with Just human peasnat?

I feel as though I am writing in invisible ink or something (or rather typing in an invisible font color ) He has not been confirmed to be a human peasant. You will have control over what sort of character he is by choosing story choices and not being confined to being a hero.

I feel like I have been writing in ink because it has been confirmed he will be human and that he will be from a specific background. be it peasnat, noble, merchant.

either way you cant choose that background its the equivalent of only ONE origin story, and to quote myself since you cant read

Seriously, if the options are Human Peasant.(or what ever, )

or

Human Peasnat
Dwarf  Merchant
Elf Sociopath.

which one do you think you can write more story lines for, the one with Just human noble or human ? or one that has multiple races and backgrounds.

[AndarianTD]

pmaura wrote...

They are not adding any options by reducing races and socio economic classes. I find your lack of depth disturbing.

Do you really think it adds "depth" to rely on defining a character in terms of race and class stereotypes?

[thatguy212]

well since pmaura seems to have gained the power to see the future and see how dragon age 2 will have so few choices, i think i'll try it too........ oh my god dragon age 2 is a such a great game, there are so many choices, i mean first in lothering when hawke... and then we he meet flemeth and said... and when he was finally became the champion, and...? is that a voice cameo by cary elwes?

Modifié par thatguy212, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:07 .

[pmaura]

Batman90 wrote...

pmaura wrote...
The truth of the matter is you only allowing us one origin story now, instead of the multiple you gave us with the original. as some one said earlier and it needs to be repeated your making us play your hero instead of our own.

The RPG genre is by-and-large stagnant due to attitudes like this. Who says that it is "their hero" and not "your hero" just because they decided to cut Origin stories so that they could make the primary campaign better? There are more ways to handle character customization than just having a bunch of options at the start and going with it. Instead, couldn't character customization come as the story progresses? As in, the character is defined not by his or her backstory, but by his or her actions and choices throughout the course of the plot? I'm sorry, but your judgement of the game is a severely traditionalist and anti-progressive stance on RPG develoment.
 

But they had this in the original DAO as well as different classes and backgrounds. now there just taking away options.

The RPG genre does not go stagnant becuase of people stripping it of options, thats how it goes stagnant, becuase people have the audactint to say that DEUS EX Invisible was was an RPG and it wasnt.

Choices and Character Creation are fundamental to RPG

[pmaura]

AndarianTD wrote...

pmaura wrote...

They are not adding any options by reducing races and socio economic classes. I find your lack of depth disturbing.

Do you really think it adds "depth" to rely on defining a character in terms of race and class stereotypes?

yep becuase your only allowed one choice now. instead of multiple.

[Lyssistr]

Riona45 wrote...

It didn't affect much, except for odd bits of dialogue here and there and who would be willing to romance you.  And what classes you could take.

The BG games were based off of 2E D&D, and allowed race and class selections based on that.

tbh only class selection mattered and in DA2 I doubt there'll be a restriction on that - so there goes the wonderful argument of OP that BG was so kewl because you could select race. Selecting a race had almost zero impact in how BG/BG II flowed.

[GodWood]

the fans.

[Sneelonz]

pmaura wrote...

aludrac7 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pmaura wrote...

You realize that by chosing human you could become queen? where as a dwarf or elf you could not, as an elf you can get freedom for your people or not.

And those things didn't drastically change the story or gameplay.  Apparently, if you are married to the monarch and import that character into the expansion, the game only barely acknowledges it.

you dont not understand RPG or creating a persona or character.

Once again the fact there limiting us to ONE race and ONE socio economic class, is backwards from the original, its not a sequel if they strip options.

Ofcourse the people defending this are probably the same ones that think Deus Ex 2 eas superior to the first one.

You don't understand what a sequel is. It is still a sequel, even if you they take out features that you liked. Man up and deal with it.

And I don't want to stoop to your role playing elitism, but honestly, I don't think YOU understand what an RPG is. I have always thought the most important part of an RPG is how you play the character, even if it is a character you are given and not one you create. I can play any character and make it my own (assuming the game is good, of course).

Once again a person who loves mediocricy, they gave us a peach, that had all these choices, and then they decide screw that. for the sequel where taking away choices.

Hey if your ok with sequels not be on par with the original or not as good or not as in depth thats great for you, but I was hoping more from bioware, but I guess there more EA now anyway

Hawksblud wrote...
Dropping the origins allows the devs to spend more time and invest more energy into creating more paths and storylines and quests and yes, options for Hawke.

[AndarianTD]

pmaura wrote...

Do you really think it adds "depth" to rely on defining a character in terms of race and class stereotypes?

yep becuase your only allowed one choice now. instead of multiple.

Irony check.

Modifié par AndarianTD, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:12 .

[aludrac7]

pmaura wrote...

AndarianTD wrote...

pmaura wrote...

They are not adding any options by reducing races and socio economic classes. I find your lack of depth disturbing.

Do you really think it adds "depth" to rely on defining a character in terms of race and class stereotypes?

yep becuase your only allowed one choice now. instead of multiple.

It gives you only one choice at the character creation screen. You have no idea of how many decsisions they will give us over the following 50 hours.

[pmaura]

thatguy212 wrote...

well since pmaura seems to have gained the power to see the future and see how dragon age 2 will have so few choices, i think i'll try it too........ oh my god dragon age 2 is a such a great game, there are so many choices, i mean first in lothering when hawke... and then we he meet flemeth and said... and when he was finally became the champion, and...? is that a voice cameo by cary elwes?

yes and the first great choice you have is in the creation of the name, oh you dont, my mistake your called Hawke. That so original 3rd grade fantasy name.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

This thread seems pointless, it's basically just two stubborn mule's arguing with each other. Big waste of time since neither will be able to sway the other.

Modifié par Solostran85, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:15 .

[Grommash94]

pmaura wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

well since pmaura seems to have gained the power to see the future and see how dragon age 2 will have so few choices, i think i'll try it too........ oh my god dragon age 2 is a such a great game, there are so many choices, i mean first in lothering when hawke... and then we he meet flemeth and said... and when he was finally became the champion, and...? is that a voice cameo by cary elwes?

yes and the first great choice you have is in the creation of the name, oh you dont, my mistake your called Hawke. That so original 3rd grade fantasy name.

Sort of like you are stuck as a Cousland/Aeducan/whatever.

[aludrac7]

pmaura wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

well since pmaura seems to have gained the power to see the future and see how dragon age 2 will have so few choices, i think i'll try it too........ oh my god dragon age 2 is a such a great game, there are so many choices, i mean first in lothering when hawke... and then we he meet flemeth and said... and when he was finally became the champion, and...? is that a voice cameo by cary elwes?

yes and the first great choice you have is in the creation of the name, oh you dont, my mistake your called Hawke. That so original 3rd grade fantasy name.

Hawke is his sirname. We couldn't pick the last name of our chacters in Origins, either. Those were set.

[Riona45]

pmaura wrote...

yes and the first great choice you have is in the creation of the name, oh you dont, my mistake your called Hawke. That so original 3rd grade fantasy name.

DA2 is exactly like DA:O with regards to surnames.  You don't get to pick your surname in the first game either (you did know that Hawke is the PC's last name, right?).

[Batman90]

pmaura wrote...

Batman90 wrote...

pmaura wrote...
The truth of the matter is you only allowing us one origin story now, instead of the multiple you gave us with the original. as some one said earlier and it needs to be repeated your making us play your hero instead of our own.

The RPG genre is by-and-large stagnant due to attitudes like this. Who says that it is "their hero" and not "your hero" just because they decided to cut Origin stories so that they could make the primary campaign better? There are more ways to handle character customization than just having a bunch of options at the start and going with it. Instead, couldn't character customization come as the story progresses? As in, the character is defined not by his or her backstory, but by his or her actions and choices throughout the course of the plot? I'm sorry, but your judgement of the game is a severely traditionalist and anti-progressive stance on RPG develoment.
 

But they had this in the original DAO as well as different classes and backgrounds. now there just taking away options.

The RPG genre does not go stagnant becuase of people stripping it of options, thats how it goes stagnant, becuase people have the audactint to say that DEUS EX Invisible was was an RPG and it wasnt.

Choices and Character Creation are fundamental to RPG

Yes, choices and character customization are fundamental to the RPG. But if you didn't completely miss the point I was making, then you would understand that choices and character customization can be presented in different ways as opposed to the traditional "K YOU GOT AN ELF AND YOU GOT A DWARF AND YOU GOT A HUMAN PICK YOUR CHOICE" method of character creation and choice.

[thatguy212]

pmaura wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

well since pmaura seems to have gained the power to see the future and see how dragon age 2 will have so few choices, i think i'll try it too........ oh my god dragon age 2 is a such a great game, there are so many choices, i mean first in lothering when hawke... and then we he meet flemeth and said... and when he was finally became the champion, and...? is that a voice cameo by cary elwes?

yes and the first great choice you have is in the creation of the name, oh you dont, my mistake your called Hawke. That so original 3rd grade fantasy name.

you mean like how you can choose your last name in origins... oh wait **** thats right you have a forced last name just like in this one, and you thought they changed everything

[Greenface21]

Solostran85 wrote...

This thread seems pointless, it's basically just two stubborn mule's arguing with each other. Big waste of time since neither will be able to sway the other.

But it gives people something to do while everyone waits for DA2 to come out.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Greenface21 wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

This thread seems pointless, it's basically just two stubborn mule's arguing with each other. Big waste of time since neither will be able to sway the other.

But it gives people something to do while everyone waits for DA2 to come out.

This damn **** is getting in the way of me completing my BG1 run.  I hate it

[msp]

pmaura wrote...
yep becuase your only allowed one choice now. instead of multiple.

Have you considered playing World of Warcraft? You're going to love meaningful choices and customization - there are literally dozens of possible class/race options. You could have a night elf hunter, or a gnome mage or an undead death knight or an ork warrior or a holy cow or.... of course, the game itself does not acknowledge your choices in any way (save for combat, perhaps), but what RP potential! Why wasting your time with this limited-choice DA:O business, when you could be role-playing a drunken dwarf next to a mail box?

[SithLordExarKun]

GodWood wrote...


the fans.

Truth.

[hoysexyjew]

Neither is it too late to correct the spelling error in the title of this thread.