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[Biotic Budah]

Rename the game "Dragon Age: Free Marches-The Rise of Hawke", then come out with an actual sequel that has more to do with the first game other than tossing in Flemeth.



Sir Occam is right, we are all just very invested and perfected out characters in the first game. To just take all of it away. Even ME2 gave us Shepard back.

[Dave of Canada]

Biotic Budah wrote...

Rename the game "Dragon Age: Free Marches-The Rise of Hawke", then come out with an actual sequel that has more to do with the first game other than tossing in Flemeth.

A sequel doesn't have to be a direct continuation of the same characters and storyline or else the world and characters would get bland, if you put the entire DA:O crew into DA2 - they'd probably be capable of putting in some character plot but in all likely hood you'll be bored to tears because you already know about them and what they do.

Sir Occam is right, we are all just very invested and perfected out characters in the first game. To just take all of it away.

You'll get over it.

Even ME2 gave us Shepard back.

Mass Effect was written as Shepard's story.
Dragon Age was written as the story of Thedas.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:47 .

[Biotic Budah]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Biotic Budah wrote...

Rename the game "Dragon Age: Free Marches-The Rise of Hawke", then come out with an actual sequel that has more to do with the first game other than tossing in Flemeth.

A sequel doesn't have to be a direct continuation of the same characters and storyline or else the world and characters would get bland, if you put the entire DA:O crew into DA2 - they'd probably be capable of putting in some character plot but in all likely hood you'll be bored to tears because you already know about them and what they do.

Sir Occam is right, we are all just very invested and perfected out characters in the first game. To just take all of it away.

You'll get over it.

Even ME2 gave us Shepard back.

Mass Effect was written as Shepard's story.
Dragon Age was written as the story of Thedas.

BS. Story of Thedas? What about Allistar? Morrigan? Oghren even made it into Awakenings. Get over yourself. Tell me how this is a sequel? Because it's set in Thedas? DAO was more about Ferelden, it's politics, it's civil war in the face of the Blight.

[thesuperdarkone]

 What people at Bioware are thinking when making Dragon Effect 2:

[Dave of Canada]

Biotic Budah wrote...


BS. Story of Thedas? What about Allistar? Morrigan? Oghren even made it into Awakenings. Get over yourself. Tell me how this is a sequel? Because it's set in Thedas? DAO was more about Ferelden, it's politics, it's civil war in the face of the Blight.

Fine, don't believe the writers.

/shrug

[Biotic Budah]

Precisely, that is why I think it is more of a spinoff. Calling it "Dragon Age:Free Marches-The Rise of Hawke" Just makes more sense to me. DAO also had political intrigue, civil war. I am not saying this will be a bad game, I am just saying I really don't consider it a true sequel. No Grey Wardens? That is like making a sequel to Star Wars with no Jedi's.

Modifié par Biotic Budah, 25 juillet 2010 - 09:18 .

[Biotic Budah]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Biotic Budah wrote...


BS. Story of Thedas? What about Allistar? Morrigan? Oghren even made it into Awakenings. Get over yourself. Tell me how this is a sequel? Because it's set in Thedas? DAO was more about Ferelden, it's politics, it's civil war in the face of the Blight.

Fine, don't believe the writers.

/shrug

Sorry for the heated response.  I was riled up. My apologies.

[AllThatJazz]

It IS Dragon Age 2. It just isn't Dragon Age:ORIGINS 2. It's Dragon Age 2 because it's the second game in the Dragon Age series, set in the Dragon Age Universe, and still within the timeline of, you know, the Age of Dragons. I'm sure there'll be a spiffy new title added on at some point - DA2:SOMETHING HEROIC SOUNDING. But if they just called it DA:SOMETHING HEROIC SOUNDING, a lot of people might think it was just an expansion. Far simpler from a marketing perspective to call it DA2.



Plus, what Dave of Canada said. I don't recall NWN2 being a continuation of NWN1. Nor was KoTOR2 (though there were lots of mentions of Revan, it was a totally stand alone game). Not necessary.

[AllThatJazz]

 Plus, we've already been told that some of the choices we made in Origins will carry over, so in that sense it is a continuation anyway 

[Biotic Budah]

But no Wardens? At least none to play. As I have said before, that is like makng a Star Wars sequel with no Jedi. That dog just don't hunt son. I am sure it will be a good game, I just don't consider it a sequel so much as a spin off.

Modifié par Biotic Budah, 25 juillet 2010 - 09:31 .

[SoR82]

AllThatJazz wrote...

It IS Dragon Age 2. It just isn't Dragon Age:ORIGINS 2. It's Dragon Age 2 because it's the second game in the Dragon Age series, set in the Dragon Age Universe, and still within the timeline of, you know, the Age of Dragons. I'm sure there'll be a spiffy new title added on at some point - DA2:SOMETHING HEROIC SOUNDING. But if they just called it DA:SOMETHING HEROIC SOUNDING, a lot of people might think it was just an expansion. Far simpler from a marketing perspective to call it DA2.

Plus, what Dave of Canada said. I don't recall NWN2 being a continuation of NWN1. Nor was KoTOR2 (though there were lots of mentions of Revan, it was a totally stand alone game). Not necessary.

Yeah shame the destroyed KoToR 2 in their haste to release, that sounds ominous now i think of it.....

[Logan1983]

Biotic Budah wrote...

But no Wardens? At least none to play. As I have said before, that is like makng a Star Wars sequel with no Jedi. That dog just don't hunt son. I am sure it will be a good game, I just don't consider it a sequel so much as a spin off.

Exactly. I agree that DA2 will probably, in the end, be an acclaimed hit just like DA:O but as an avid fan of the first game, its DLCs and expansion i feel a little cheated. I have always loved the abillity continue a character's story through multiple titles, it gives the sense of owership and makes it feel like you are writting your characters life from start to finish. Can anyone honestly call the ending of awakening a solid finale? stab the broodmother in the throat, turn round and leave..... Epic.... I want to be able to make good on my promise to find Morrigan, i think there is a whole game waiting to be made there for just that purpose but without the wardens, espiecally MY warden, i can't see DA2 being that game. How can this be a sequel if the story, my story and everyone elses, isn't continued?

Here's hoping Bioware can enlighten me in the months to come, but at the moment i'm pretty dissappointed .

Modifié par Logan1983, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:04 .

[AllThatJazz]

Biotic Budah wrote...

But no Wardens? At least none to play. As I have said before, that is like makng a Star Wars sequel with no Jedi. That dog just don't hunt son. I am sure it will be a good game, I just don't consider it a sequel so much as a spin off.

That's not the same.  What would be the point of playing a Warden, without a Blight to stop? Using your own analogy, it would be like playing a Jedi in a Star Wars game, with no Sith attempting to create an Empire/destroy all Jedi. You could still do it, but there'd be no real focus. Besides, the entire Star Wars universe is about the Jedi and the Force. None of the developers of DA have ever said that the whole DA universe revolves around Wardens and Blights, they are just part of the whole. 

[Suicider_11]

Biotic Budah wrote...

But no Wardens? At least none to play. As I have said before, that is like makng a Star Wars sequel with no Jedi. That dog just don't hunt son. I am sure it will be a good game, I just don't consider it a sequel so much as a spin off.

I must say that a lot of people wanted a sequel from their grey warden. I also wanted my grey warden to have more adventures like visit weisshaupt fortress, learn more about the order esp the joining, etc or to have an end like going to the calling (maybe another expansion will do, i hope) / .But as Gaider said, the blight is already over and they have another story to show us.

With regards to the jedi, they fight against the dark side of the force/sith and/or serve and protect the Republic and the whole galaxy from conflict or government instability; whereas the Grey Wardens are present to  protect Thedas only against the Blight/darkspawn.  There are more to Thedas in this particular age/timeline called "Dragon Age" than just Grey wardens vs Darkspawn. There is also the Qunari invasion, the conflict between the Divine chantry and the Imperial chantry, conflict between mages/dalish elves and the Chantry, aftermath of the Orlesian invasion just to name some examples ; which is none of the Grey Warden's business(although they tried to rebel against the Fereldan King).

So, the Grey Warderns are an important organization/important role  in the world of Thedas and  Dragon Age but they are just a portion of  it compared to the Jedi Order which played a lot more role/significance in the Star Wars Universe.

Just my 2 cents. peace!!!

Modifié par Suicider_11, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:14 .

[zahra]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Biotic Budah wrote...

But no Wardens? At least none to play. As I have said before, that is like makng a Star Wars sequel with no Jedi. That dog just don't hunt son. I am sure it will be a good game, I just don't consider it a sequel so much as a spin off.

That's not the same.  What would be the point of playing a Warden, without a Blight to stop? Using your own analogy, it would be like playing a Jedi in a Star Wars game, with no Sith attempting to create an Empire/destroy all Jedi. You could still do it, but there'd be no real focus. Besides, the entire Star Wars universe is about the Jedi and the Force. None of the developers of DA have ever said that the whole DA universe revolves around Wardens and Blights, they are just part of the whole. 

Even though I am interested in this Hawke person, I will say that the Warden shouldn't stop being relevant after a Blight. The Warden is still ultimately a person with ambition and desires to fulfill and it would be interesting to see what that would be. I like the approach DA is taking, but I also think that dismissing the Warden because there isn't anymore darkspawn to kill is a wasted opportunity.

[Logan1983]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Biotic Budah wrote...

But no Wardens? At least none to play. As I have said before, that is like makng a Star Wars sequel with no Jedi. That dog just don't hunt son. I am sure it will be a good game, I just don't consider it a sequel so much as a spin off.

That's not the same.  What would be the point of playing a Warden, without a Blight to stop? Using your own analogy, it would be like playing a Jedi in a Star Wars game, with no Sith attempting to create an Empire/destroy all Jedi. You could still do it, but there'd be no real focus. Besides, the entire Star Wars universe is about the Jedi and the Force. None of the developers of DA have ever said that the whole DA universe revolves around Wardens and Blights, they are just part of the whole. 

O.k I can see where you are coming from and yes maybe wardens without a blight would be a little pointless, but as i said earlier there are still questions unanswered (depending on the decisions you made) and i think if Bioware are going to proceed with a new story in DA2 they should give the original, or at least the original's character a more rounded ending. As i said, I think a game based round the search for Morrigan and her reborn God-child would have a lot value to the series, just like in the Awakening there would be no need for a blight, your party could be comprised of new characters you meet on the way, all with their own stories and quests, i just think that maybe Bioware have missed a trick here, hell even a second expansion or a sizeable DLC would have surfficed!

Does anyone know exactly how much, if any influence the original game will have on the second? can you import any information to DA2 in order to help shape the world Hawke lives in based on decisions made in DA:O? I think I could live with that .

[Suicider_11]

Logan1983 wrote...

Does anyone know exactly how much, if any influence the original game will have on the second? can you import any information to DA2 in order to help shape the world Hawke lives in based on decisions made in DA:O? I think I could live with that .

We don't know how much of it , but the devs said that we can import our saves with the  decisions we made in DA:O to DA:2.

[Logan1983]

Suicider_11 wrote:

We don't know how much of it , but the devs said that we can import our saves with the  decisions we made in DA:O to DA:2.

Well that's something i suppose, anything that makes the hours of gameplay in the original title mesh with the second might give DA2 some crediblity as a proper sequel  

Modifié par Logan1983, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:55 .

[gotthammer]

While I'm disappointed that I can't play as my Warden from DA:O, I think it's pretty much too late to change DA2 in that regard.



Other than the aforementioned choices in DA:O carrying over to DA2 via saves, I guess the best I could hope for would be BioWare deciding to have the Warden feature sometime in the future. (please? an actual 'sequel' for DA:O? pretty please? )

[Logan1983]

Here's a quote that i read on a review site, its from Ray Muzyka of Bioware, he describes the difference between dragon age: Origins and mass effect 1&2:
Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional.
Bearing in mind what Bioware seem to have in mind for DA2, that being something that many are saying looks a lot like a medievil mass effect, this quote seems to be a contridiction, doesn't it? i hope Bioware stick to this quote when developing the character in DA2 because although i love Mass Effect, Dragon age is a totally different game and should be considered as and treated as such. If i want to play somethhing like Mass Effect i'll just play Mass Effect

[AllThatJazz]

To Biotic Budha and Zahra:

 Oh, I absolutely don't think the Wardens are irrelevant, and nor should they be. I can think of at least three more stories where the Wardens would play a central role. 1) The next Blight or 2) A group of Wardens goes into the Deep Roads to find the remaining Archdemon (s) and prevent another Blight from beginning at all or 3) an assault on the Black City itself, to destroy the root of the evil and bring about a new Golden Age in Thedas. And even after that, they are still highly trained warriors (or mages or rogues). Or we could go back into the past, and experience the story of the Wardens' creation, or their glory days when they all rode on Griffons (yay! ) And that's not even considering the whole God-child thing. It's perfectly likely that, at some point in the DA franchise, the Grey Wardens will be revisited. Wardens are great precisely because there are still narrative possibilities for them. It's just that in this story, which isn't about anything to do with Archdemons or Blights or whatever, making the central protagonist a Warden would seem a bit, well, pointless. And taking some time to explore a bit of the DA universe outside of the Grey Wardens is no bad thing, imo :)x

Ugh, edited for appalling grammar!

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:28 .

[triggerhappy456]

the sequel being about a non gray warden, and mainly in a new area allows the writers to explore very different ideas and places to what we had in the first game

and i wish people would stop b****ing about a game we know so little about

there are dozens of rpgs were the race is chosen, where the place you start out at is chosen

why is this game the devil just because it does this as well?

[Johnson45]

Last time I checked the game was DA2 not DA: More Origins 2...



Seriously, I read somewhere that they plan to have lots of games based in Thedas during the Dragon Age, are you gonna complain every single time a new DA game comes out without the warden?



Nobody ever said that all the DA games were always gonna be based around the Warden.

[Nimander]

This entire argument reminds me of basic kid psych. Many kids will look at a tall glass and insist it's bigger, even though the shorter but wider glass has the same liquid in it.



In the same way, certain folks seem to be insisting that because Origins has more origin stories, it automatically has more depth. If the second game is shorter (has one origin) but has more story options (is wider), then it can have just as much depth (volume) as DA: O.



We. Do. Not. Know. Right. Now.



Also, the people insisting that streamlining systems means it's not an RPG? I think a /ton/ of tabletop RPGs like Buffy, Dresden Files, and Savage Worlds would like a word with you.