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A question about souls.... To the Writers and the Fans.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:37

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I have a question for the fans and the Writers.... In the DA universe can two souls co-exist in the same body? We know that for atleast in the case of the Archdemon, when he tries to occupy a soul-containing tainted body, his soul is destroyed. Is this true in general?


That could shed some light on why darkspawn are soul-less creatures. They are perfect vessels. I wonder that's exactly what taint is: a Soul-analogue. Someone tried to experiment and create something that would replace life: Kind of  necromancy and it backfired... It could have been an attempt at  immortality by the magisters... Perhaps they found some power in the  Black/Golden city that can create new kind of life, they used it and in  the process corrupted it and themselves. Now that corrupted energy or  canonically Darkspawn taint fills the Black city and seeps into real  world.

It can be assumed that the taint was demonic in origin or at least analogous to whatever gives spirits their life, as one can see that effects of Demonic and Darkspawn corruption are very similar.....

So perhaps Souls originated in the Fade. They are the only reasons that Elves and Humans can go there when they dream and perhaps why Dwarves can't. Dwarves thus may lack the soul analogues of the other races... Could The Balck/Golden city be a factory to manifacture souls? It seems possible. The name Maker would be more justified if it was. We know for sure that Magic has SOME relation to Fade. Perhaps it is te presense of souls that allows people to be magical. Then the question arises why only few people are mages.... So there is a big hole in this hypothesis. Also Darkspawn seem to be capable of magic. This complicates things...

This also brings us to the topic of eternal interest: Flemeth. She seems to be transfering her souls from one body to another. If One body-One soul hypothesis is true, then the rituals she does must involve expulsion of previous occupants souls.... Now we know that the Dark Ritual Morrigan proposes requires the soul of the Archdemon to enter the baby's body. I wonder if the baby has been rendered soul-less by the DR beforehand. It could be a kind of Blood Magic by the sound of its villaneous nature... Since the baby must contain the darkspwan taint AND then the Soul of the Old God, I would wonder what prevents the taint from spreading to the Old God.... Does the DR ensure that the Taint is somehow washed away after the transfer? I doubt that. But we may find out more about this in the future....

//End mass guessing.


EDIT :Some additional speculation.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:39

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Good question...what animates Darkspawn

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:40

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vilnii wrote...

Good question...what animates Darkspawn

The taint!

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:43

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The Taint is a curse, a corruption which can be manipulated (As the Architect showed) It does not replace the souls of the Grey Wardens after they drink it

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:44

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vilnii wrote...

The Taint is a curse, a corruption which can be manipulated (As the Architect showed) It does not replace the souls of the Grey Wardens after they drink it


GWs don't become Darkspawn.. They become Ghouls...

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:44

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vilnii wrote...

The Taint is a curse, a corruption which can be manipulated (As the Architect showed) It does not replace the souls of the Grey Wardens after they drink it


But it is still what animates the darkspawn.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:56

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Herr Uhl wrote...

vilnii wrote...

The Taint is a curse, a corruption which can be manipulated (As the Architect showed) It does not replace the souls of the Grey Wardens after they drink it


But it is still what animates the darkspawn.



That is news to me. I know Darkspawn spread the taint wherever they go, but it has always been a virus like infection as far as I know.

The taint is cannot animate a corpse for instance

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:58

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vilnii wrote...

That is news to me. I know Darkspawn spread the taint wherever they go, but it has always been a virus like infection as far as I know.

The taint is cannot animate a corpse for instance


You could see the darkspawn as the viruses themselves.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 04:59

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I added some additional speculation.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:01

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IMO, the question is 'what is the nature of a soul?' Is it a unique, individual spirit? Or is it a part of a universal, eternal divine nature which manifests temporarily in ensoulled beings? Or is it just some magical/metaphysical 'thing' which people have and darkspawn don't, with no other particular significance? What does it *mean* if 'a soul is destroyed'?

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:08

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What if no soul exists and it is really something magical.

Or am I playing semantics now?

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:09

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Arttis wrote...

What if no soul exists and it is really something magical.
Or am I playing semantics now?


Yes. You are. :devil:

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:10

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Good question- I guess for me it goes back to the DR- does the Old God soul enter Morrigan's baby because the baby at that early stage is essentially without a "soul" or does the Old God soul destroy or kick out the baby's soul?

Then with the Warden killing the Archdemon, the notion is that 2 souls can't occupy the same body at the same time, thus causing both to be destroyed?

And then you've got Flemeth, who if legends are true, can have her body destroyed like the Archdemon, but apparently in her abomination like state can still exist as a soul(?) and take over another body. But is Flemeth's body snatching ritual a process like the Archdemon/ Old God soul transfer where its kicking out one soul or is it more akin to demonic possession where Flemeth would take over the body, but once "dead" the body would revert back to its prior owner's control?

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:12

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Corker wrote...

IMO, the question is 'what is the nature of a soul?' Is it a unique, individual spirit? Or is it a part of a universal, eternal divine nature which manifests temporarily in ensoulled beings? Or is it just some magical/metaphysical 'thing' which people have and darkspawn don't, with no other particular significance? What does it *mean* if 'a soul is destroyed'?


I think that it may simply be the living part of it. The soul would be ones conscience, like the part that is transported to the fade by sloth in the tower for example.

Edit: But then again, one of the awakened darkspawn are transported to the fade in spirit.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:20

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Further addition :P

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:20

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David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.

A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:21

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Brockololly wrote...

Good question- I guess for me it goes back to the DR- does the Old God soul enter Morrigan's baby because the baby at that early stage is essentially without a "soul" or does the Old God soul destroy or kick out the baby's soul?
Then with the Warden killing the Archdemon, the notion is that 2 souls can't occupy the same body at the same time, thus causing both to be destroyed?
And then you've got Flemeth, who if legends are true, can have her body destroyed like the Archdemon, but apparently in her abomination like state can still exist as a soul(?) and take over another body. But is Flemeth's body snatching ritual a process like the Archdemon/ Old God soul transfer where its kicking out one soul or is it more akin to demonic possession where Flemeth would take over the body, but once "dead" the body would revert back to its prior owner's control?


Too true. More speculation incoming on that! Sorry I am adding thing by parts... It is better for me that way as I can review what I have written.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:22

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In Exile wrote...

David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.
A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.


Perhaps demons/Spirits don't have "Souls"...

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:27

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Even further additions... :P

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:29

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SirShreK wrote...

In Exile wrote...

David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.
A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.


Perhaps demons/Spirits don't have "Souls"...


I assume it's some kind of symbiosis where one lends the other a body/control in exchange for power.
Then again, it could also be more along the lines of a host/parasite relationship.
But if both souls actually merged, then how can you in Connors case for example cut them cleanly again?

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:30

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Or we could dig into the connotations of the Broodmother. Through the taint, female dwarves (and, from the Hurlocks and the Shrieks, also elven and human women) become Broodmothers, and give birth to the Darkspawn. So, how does that fit in?

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:31

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R.U.N wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

In Exile wrote...

David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.
A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.


Perhaps demons/Spirits don't have "Souls"...


I assume it's some kind of symbiosis where one lends the other a body/control in exchange for power.
Then again, it could also be more along the lines of a host/parasite relationship.
But if both souls actually merged, then how can you in Connors case for example cut them cleanly again?

Good question:

Connor also does NOT get the icky whatever thingies growing out of his body... :pinched:

Intentional Inconsistency for the sake of Gameplay/Plot?

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:31

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In Exile wrote...

David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.
A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.


You become possessed by the sloth demon as a warden.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:33

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Herr Uhl wrote...

In Exile wrote...

David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.
A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.


You become possessed by the sloth demon as a warden.


Actually, No. That is not necessarily true. He may just have been forced into Fade and sleepiness... But Possession? I don't think the sloth demon can possess multiple guys at once.. He is already possesing one Mage when you meet him.

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Posté 25 juillet 2010 - 05:34

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SirShreK wrote...

R.U.N wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

In Exile wrote...

David mentioned in another thread that the taint is like a battery for the darkspawn. They do not eat - the taint is what keeps them alive.
A more interesting question is what happens to the soul of a mage when a demon is possesing them. From what we see with Conner, posession does not necessarily mean the soul is destroyed, so maybe two things can inhabit the body at once.


Perhaps demons/Spirits don't have "Souls"...


I assume it's some kind of symbiosis where one lends the other a body/control in exchange for power.
Then again, it could also be more along the lines of a host/parasite relationship.
But if both souls actually merged, then how can you in Connors case for example cut them cleanly again?

Good question:

Connor also does NOT get the icky whatever thingies growing out of his body... :pinched:

Intentional Inconsistency for the sake of Gameplay/Plot?


Maybe the ''takeover'' isn't complete as indicated by the struggle in which the real Connor occasionally comes to the surface.
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