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Lord_Spanky

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For first time ..

In all the years ive played NWN and NWN2 ..

In any rpg .. and ive played bunches ..

was gonna choose lawful evil .. but i didnt feel up to the challenge ..

so i just chose chaotic ..

IT PAINS me to do evil things ..

i have a really hard time forcing myself to make evil choices ..

i just seem to have a natural aversion to it or something ..

i thought it would get ezier as i went on but its not ..

especially how i treat my companions ..

i want to be nice to them ..

i also chose to slit the throats of the mossfields in the first battle ..

it really pained me to do that ..

i felt like i was crossing a line i shouldnt cross ..

i know its a game .. hell .. im 30 years old ..

Modifié par Lord_Spanky, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:50 .


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Arkalezth

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Don't play evil, then.

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Just remember: it's a roleplaying game. That means taking on a role and playing it through logically, without outside interference such as one's personal morale compass. Games are a medium where you can express yourself in a manner that you might not be able to in the outside world.



That being said, no one is forcing you to play as evil. In the end, you have to play the game the way you want. If your morality does not allow you to play as an evil character and you derive no enjoyment from playing as such, you should avoid doing so.

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Lord_Spanky

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i suppose i hoped someone would have some advice to make me feel more comforatable with it ..

or perhaps tell me how rewarding it can be or something ..

eh ..

your advice is sound ..

but i really feel like its time for me to expand my role playing experiences a little bit ..

Modifié par Lord_Spanky, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:59 .


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Arkalezth

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What I mean is: if you don't like it, why do it?

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Well, I can always use more people playtesting my campaign (see sig and social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/167/index/3119229) B)

But yeah, if you're not enjoying it, don't. Life's too short to do otherwise. If you want, I'd suggest trying to being a comically maniacal villain, complete with laughing "Muahahaha!!!!", it can be a more fun way to play evil. The official campaigns don't really go for evil though, like you, most people prefer playing good/neutral (that says something positive about human nature I think) so they cater to that.

Indeed, handling playing evil is difficult unless there is a DM, evil drives most plots, but without a DM it's difficult to give an evil player the freedom they have and handle the fact that evil drives plot, not reacts to it.

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Lord_Spanky

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well ..

im a few hours into it ..

im a just follow through ..

at least ill get to see the evil ending ..

also .. im playing as a wizard ..

my fav (minus the unshifting in dialogue) is shapeshifter halfling with 1 monk for ac bonus .. lawful neutral of course ..

im finding playing as low level wizard difficult ..

i have to rest often to replenish spells .. the spells i do have are weak as hell .. and i die easily if i get mixed up in combat ..

is this normal ??

this is my first wiz/sorc try as well .. obviously ..

Modifié par Lord_Spanky, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:28 .


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I think finding a good evil-aligned module might be more interesting for you. Kamalpoe linked to his above, but there's a couple others on the vault.



Also, do as Ms.Grey says and try to logically think out your character. Is he a bitter misanthrope, bullied and harassed by the Mossfields and other West Harbour yokels? Is he motivated by some Faustian drive to gain power to help further his own cause? If he's chaotic, maybe he delights in creative destruction, abusing and insulting his companions to shatter their vanity and ignorance.



If all else fails, just think, what would Eric Cartman do?

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Lord_Spanky

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If all else fails, just think, what would Eric Cartman do?


hahah ..

nice one ..

edit:  my evil wizard also seems to be leveling more slowly than my previous characters ..

does this have something to do with being evil ??

Modifié par Lord_Spanky, 25 juillet 2010 - 08:31 .


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Best way to make the choice if it pains you. Put the mouse of the decision thread. Then turn your head away and press down. AFterwards when you see your evil deed. SMILE!

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Qara is far more evil than Bishop, with less reason.  She literally goes orgasmic at burning stuff (revealed in one of the conversations).  :o  Bishop is merely bitter and petulant; he doesn't destroy to amuse himself.  During the last game, I used the cheat code to "correct" her alignment, and will probably do that again.  This way, she can use Shar's belt and some other evilly-aligned gear.

If you want to play an evil spellcaster, look to Qara for some ideas.  Startear and Ammon are evil warlocks, but their evilness is mostly revealed in absolute self-centeredness.  Ammon is a destructive bastard: he plows ahead without thinking or asking because he and he alone can and will do what must be done, without the hesitation of morality.  Is he more evil than Qara?

I simply can't play evil worth beans, unless it is acting (which includes live role-playing).  Evil characters get all the good lines, all the advantages, and the best scenery to chew on.

In this game, I enjoy playing a chaotic good drow.  Last time I was lawful good, but being chaotic is more fun.   If you release the imps at the Academy, they'll appear in the stands during the Trail by Combat to cheer you on.   People don't expect a compassionate drow, but there are some amusing conversational tags, and it makes recruiting Kistrel and dealing with demons more natural.  The CON hit is hard, but the INT boost is welcome.  Being level-adjusted is a pain, but the natural spell resistance is worth it.  It all balances.

However, I could recommend that you try a Drow Arcane Trickster as an evil character.  If you start with an INT of 20 and first level Rogue, you get oodles (56?) of skill points... this means that you have plenty to put into conversational skills (you'll need Bluff as well as Diplomacy or Intimidation).  Pickpocketing will get you some extra weapons, etc., to help survival, and there are places in the game where you will have to deal with locks and traps.  Put points in UMD so that you can use non-arcane scrolls and gear.  I've done fine in 4 games with a STR of 8.  You can park gear in safe places or on characters that aren't being used.  Casavir wouldn't be a fit companion for an evil drow, so treat him like a mule-headed, um, mule.  (You are evil, remember?)  :devil:  After 2 levels of Rogue (to get to BAB 1), you can start adding some wizard levels.

I prefer wizard to sorcerer.  Sorcerers can blast away, but their spell progression is slower and they are limited to picking spells at level-up.  Wizards can scribe spells into their spellbook at any time!  If they are of the right level, they can have all the spells of that level.  Most arcane spells can be scribed onto a blank scroll.  I've had difficulties scribing Meteor Storm and Undeath to Death, and suspect bugginess.  I'll have extra copies of certain spells (such as anything that kills Undead or Outsiders) so that if I'm in an area where resting is not allowed, I'll still have an arsenal.

Certain spells such as Fireburst are very effective.  If you are going to have aggro because you are a sniveling little rogue spellcaster, use it to draw the enemy within toasting range, and then toast them en masse.  I haven't tried feinting or hiding in plain sight, but a devious player might like playing "gotcha!'

Many times during the game if you ask for or expect a reward, you take an evil hit.  I'm not sure why (it is suitable payment for services rendered, at personal risk and cost).  If you aren't trying to be goody-good, you can collect these rewards.  There are a couple of vaults and buildings that you can only enter if you are on the evil path.  The Warden of the Keep gets a special short sword and there are other rewards on that route; I doubt if the designers had something unique for Dread Lord of the Keep, but you ought to at least get some interesting dialogue choices.  Hmmm... if there is a quest on the dragon's mountain for an evil character to become good, what about something suitable for a paladin who is lured into selfishness by the sight of all that treasure? :devil:

At least one thing: you won't have to sit through that really terrible ending with the flat-voiced narrator!

Oh, your foster-father looks around the Keep and says that you've done well, but if you rescue the drow merchant, and you are a drow, she comments upon all the slaves who serve your whim.  Dread Lords do need their minions! :P

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Lord_Spanky wrote...

edit:  my evil wizard also seems to be leveling more slowly than my previous characters ..

does this have something to do with being evil ??



I don't think it should.
Did you pick a race with an ECL penalty?
Did you multiclass this character (if so, how - and what race is it)?

And yes, low level aracanes do not blast their enemies. They don't have the firepower for it. Mostly stand back and let others do their thing. Some nice buff or a well placed sleep can go a long ways sometimes. But most of the time sit back and relax, your time will come.
Well or play a more fighter-mage type. But that requires specific stats, feats, spells and attitude.

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im finding playing as low level wizard difficult ..

i have to rest often to replenish spells .. the spells i do have are weak as hell .. and i die easily if i get mixed up in combat ..

is this normal ??
 


Yes. Wizards and Sorcerors start out weak, but as they gain in levels they eventually become one of the most powerful classes in the game. I played through with a caster character a couple of time now and quite often my melee based companions had nothing to do, as I had already killed everything before they had a chance. I hope you decided to go with a specialization so that you can be eligible to become a Red Wizard. They're even more powerful than regular Wizards, though a bit more limited with spell selection, and are a perfect class for an Evil Wizard.

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Lord_Spanky

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i gave up on evil .. several hours into the game i started over ..

im chaotic good wizard now ..

i guess its just not for me ..

i was gonna specialize in illusion .. but damnit i just couldnt stand the thought of not being able to play with everything ..

Modifié par Lord_Spanky, 26 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .


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Personally I prefer going as a Necromancer because Divination is the school I'm most willing to give up (Divination and Illusion are probably the least exciting two in my book, and I don't normally use Enchantment that much, but Illusion has some key defensive buffs in that it's better not to lose). However it doesn't make that much sense from a role-playing standpoint.



At low levels, wizards will indeed need to resort to using ranged weapons quite a bit, and save their spells for the tougher foes.

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Lord_Spanky

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SOMEONE PLZ ..

TELL Me who Danien.Grey's Avatar is a picture of ..

its above .. the beautiful blonde ..

the eyes remind me of emmanuel seigner in the 9th gate when she flashed her devil eyes at depps character ..

its really ****ing sexy ..

i tried pm'ing him but he hasnt responded ..

Modifié par Lord_Spanky, 26 juillet 2010 - 06:25 .


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Seriously. Without the double full stops after _every_ sentence and a whole empty line between sentences.


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Lord_Spanky

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crishan wrote...

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Seriously. Without the double full stops after _every_ sentence and a whole empty line between sentences.


nice quad spacing ..

a bold move for sure ..

and no i will not stop typing like this ..

ive been doing it in forums for 10 years .. Posted Image

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I don't think slitting someone's throats for no apparent reason is evil, it is just stupid. You will get no material gain from it and if someone saw you do that you will be reprimanded, it's insane and psychotic to do so out of the blue lol.

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We choose to think of "evil" as insane and psychotic and totally foreign because we think of ourselves as normal, being of sound mind, and all that.  We don't want to think that WE could possibly be evil. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]  Certainly not whacko insane feeble-minded nutzo outsiders. 

Temporary insanity is a strong and effective defense to even the worst of crimes.

Do the greedsters who rob pension funds, bankrupt communities, buy and close hospital chains, or deliberately dump toxic pollutants into the ecosystem think of themselves as evil?  NO!  They are perfectly sane and logical and precise, able to justify every move, therefore they can not be evil... and they assure themselves of a skybox at the right hand of the trumpet section in heaven... and possibly positions of power and respect within congress or their communities.

We can imagine ourselves substituting a product to save pennies, and feeling virtuous about it.  There would be no generic brands on the shelves if this wasn't popular!   The human being who signed off on using melamine to boost the protein level in baby formula and pet food wasn't evil... no matter how many innocents died painfully from kidney/rectal failure.  Saving money is logical.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Eliminating a competitor is built into our genetic code.  We need to survive to reproductive age and we need our offspring to survive and thrive.  A competitor who offers a better product, whether medicine, software, or vehicle, is a threat... mergers and acquisitons are less bloody but no less effective a way to destroy that threat and bury it under the paperwork.  So that product never makes it to market and millions die?  Is it any more evil than Empress Livia culling a handful of the noble houses of Rome?  Is it evil at all?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie]

We currently have a problem with our favorite villains: Halliburton (with a long track record of lying, defrauding, cheating, and weaseling), Transocean (with the many failed tests), and British Petroleum (with DECADES of deliberate pollution and MAJOR spills that it has yet to clean up... all conspiring to destroy the entire ecosystem of the Gulf of Mexico, with the added risk of the pollution extending into the Atlantic.  How much raw oil escaped?  How much Corexit did BP spread to cover the damage?  The CEO of BP is far more worried about the stock price and the profits and bonuses than about limiting the dead zones around his wellheads.  There are penalities for harassing and harming even a single endangered sea turtle or dolphin... but ensure that nothing lives in that wasteland, for decades to come[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie], and the "penalty" is early retirement with multiple millions of dollars in bonuses?

Well, if robbing and killing and destroying aren't intrinsically evil, the determinant must be the state of mind:  WAS IT LOGICAL?

Even a chaotic creature is not necessarily insane: there may simply be more than one choice with nothing to make one option more desirable than another.  Each path may be logical and justifiable, however the choice of path was random.  That is playable.

Playing someone who is pointless and illogical is far harder... so when evil is defined by the script as insane, taking the evil route has more barriers and fewer rewards.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] 

If there are no reasons for working, why work?  And yes, being evil is work.  The people responsible for death camps, world-wide wars, pestilence and poverty, etc., end up old, exhausted, and paranoid.  What fun is that?

In a universe such as D&D, with a plethora of deities, I am surprised that there remains a rigid duality of good and evil... and both extremes are joyless.

Carolly
Evil OverLady of the UnderDark

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Just a reminder to keep political discussions out of the forums. I can see this last post sparking some debate. Let's keep things focused on NWN2 and the D&D rules.

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i usually play as a goody goddy character or true nuetral but this playthrough i am chaotic neutral, borderline evil because of some of the stuff i do. my character doesn't really care who or what she is talking to unless something is in it for her, and she doesn't suck up to *anyone*.



Definately a lot of pride going on there. Which is weird, because it's my first time playing NWN2, and unlike any other game where I start out, like you, I like to try to be nice to everyone. I haven't gone out of my way to be mean to everyone, but I i definately cut back on being nice and just tend to say things as it is.



My character, and actually myself IRL too, is pretty tired of all these lords, guards, and random NPCs handing out quests left and right and bossing me around. I've got stuff I want to do too and I'm sick of these distractions! Grr. Needless to say, Bishop and Neeshka are my best buds.



If you find a hard time palying evil then just play someone who is more selfish or chaotic. I actually enjoy it a lot more than i thought i would, and really if you've done one fetch quest, you've done them all, so it's a great feeling to tell someone to buzz off and quit being lazy and do something for themselves for once. :)

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OK... sorry.  :unsure:

They were such useful examples.  I suppose we could look inside the sarcophagi in the Tomb of the Betrayers, and see if the occupants died reveling in their wickedness, and how many of them were sane or had good reason for what they attempted.

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I am like you. I have played Kotor I and II a dozen times as a lightsider each and only once as a darksider. And even as a darksider I could not do certain things.
Spoiler: like siding with Czerka against the Wookies or Ithorians
I had less trouble at NWN though.
 I don't know why exactly, but I had a blast. My Lawful evil Yuan-Ti Duelist was a hideous mastermind who kept up a facade of obediently serving Neverwinter, while being extremely vicious  when no one was looking.
I even had high enough influence with Shandra, that she attested me, tears in her eyes, to be a good person at the trial. That plus my maxed diplomacy, bluff and intimidate skills gave me the best trial I ever had. Torio's growing frustration, and the applauding audience who really thought I was a hero... I couldn't stop smiling the whole thing.
I was almost surprised when I remembered I *really* did not slaughter Ember. :D
But something is telling me, that I would have real difficulties, playing Mask of the Betrayer as an evil Character.
That whole Spiriteater-thing is, again, way too engaging.

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I normally play as a lawful good fighter, but my wizard/RWoT/PM is just cutting through everything! Never realized how effective that wall of fire spell could be! WOW!!!



Had to keep checking to make sure I wasn't posting that in the no spoilers forum! lol