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[Legbiter]

It's mostly just Kordaris & co. flitting between threads and crapping in them.

[AntiChri5]

Some people are stupid.

[zahra]

It isn't called boycotting if you simply choose not to buy the game. Boycotting in a true sense would mean not buying anything manufactured by Bioware. Jeebus.

[CalJones]

I think people are jumping to conclusions too quickly. It's early days yet and we really don't know much about the game, beyond what the marketing department wants to tell us.

Honestly, I don't think the marketing is great...."fight like a spartan" and all that...but it seems to be aimed at getting more players interested rather than appealing to the core fans who will most likely buy it anyway.

Of course, now said core fans are getting nervous.

I think we just need to give it time, honestly.

[Rogue Unit]

Kordaris wrote...

Vulee94 wrote...

In b4 Kordaris:
"Hawke is a dirty peasant"

To be fair, I didn't post the poll thread.
I don't believe in boycotting, since I fully expect Dragon Age 2 to be commerciall success. One-based on success on Dragon Age 1, and also on gaining gamers more interested in combat like God of War and Diablo.

Why do people criticise Dragon Age 2?
Well-for the lack of player options, changing it into more hack and slash game, focusing on combat, giving a name to the name of character like a superhero for 10 year olds(Storm, Raven, Wolf, Hawke), bad graphic design(just look at the ugly darkspawn recentely).
But in the end I doubt the DA2 will fail as a product.
After all both God of War and  MW2 do well.

Oh! I knew it was only a matter of time.

[Roland Aseph]

The boycott thread isn't so much about that as it is...with what you know so far about the various changes in DA2 (horrid graphics, changes to the narrative (now we're playing some guys faulty? memories?), streamlining the combat towards the Hack&Slash model blablabla) do you think you'll still be buying it?

Yes the word boycott is a bit strong, but so is the disappointment factor with a lot of changed areas that many fans felt was what made DAO special to begin with.

That and it's a eye catcher

Read the various threads here AND in all the other game site forums I've been to, you can see right off the bat that a lot of people are upset and disappointed.

This just isn't the direction most would of guessed or expected the Sequel to take.

Modifié par Roland Aseph, 25 juillet 2010 - 09:25 .

[RosaAquafire]

CalJones wrote...

I think people are jumping to conclusions too quickly. It's early days yet and we really don't know much about the game, beyond what the marketing department wants to tell us.
Honestly, I don't think the marketing is great...."fight like a spartan" and all that...but it seems to be aimed at getting more players interested rather than appealing to the core fans who will most likely buy it anyway.
Of course, now said core fans are getting nervous.
I think we just need to give it time, honestly.

This.

Also, I don't think it's fair going SOME PEOPLE ARE SOOO DUMMMB, if some people think that the game looks bad, they're free to both not buy it and respectfully voice their concerns and complaints. Some people are having reactions that are unneccessarily angry and violent, but many aren't.

I don't see why it has to come down to "THIS GAME IS GONNA F***ING SUCK BOYCOTT DAMN YOU BIOWARE" or "EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE BAD IS AN IDIOT." Why can't we understand where one another are coming from?

For me, I'm in the middle. My concerns over what I loved about DA:O being shoveled under by a desire to "streamline" the experience are at odds with how much I respect BW's writing team and want to enjoy their vision. I'll make up my mind when I see more information. I didn't buy Awakening because I didn't like what I heard about the way the story in it was told ... I could easily see the same happening for DA2. But there's not enough information out there for me to decide for sure, yet. We'll see what happens

[zahra]

Roland Aseph wrote...

The boycott thread isn't so much about that as it is...with what you know so far about the various changes in DA2 (horrid graphics, changes to the narrative (now we're playing some guys faulty? memories?), streamlining the combat towards the Hack&Slash model blablabla) do you think you'll still be buying it?

Yes the word boycott is a bit strong, but so is the disappointment factor with a lot of changed areas that many fans felt was what made DAO special to begin with.

That and it's a eye catcher

Read the various threads here AND in all the other game site forums I've been to, you can see right off the bat that a lot of people are upset and disappointed.

This just isn't the direction most would of guessed or expected the Sequel to take.

I am on the side of "People Who Need More Information Before Making Dramatic Conclusions" but I understand where you're coming from. Many of the changes will change the Dragon Age Experience significantly, and you have the right to express your concerns. However using the term "boycott" in that context is still linguistically inaccurate. 

[Roland Aseph]

zahra wrote...

Roland Aseph wrote...

The boycott thread isn't so much about that as it is...with what you know so far about the various changes in DA2 (horrid graphics, changes to the narrative (now we're playing some guys faulty? memories?), streamlining the combat towards the Hack&Slash model blablabla) do you think you'll still be buying it?

Yes the word boycott is a bit strong, but so is the disappointment factor with a lot of changed areas that many fans felt was what made DAO special to begin with.

That and it's a eye catcher

Read the various threads here AND in all the other game site forums I've been to, you can see right off the bat that a lot of people are upset and disappointed.

This just isn't the direction most would of guessed or expected the Sequel to take.

I am on the side of "People Who Need More Information Before Making Dramatic Conclusions" but I understand where you're coming from. Many of the changes will change the Dragon Age Experience significantly, and you have the right to express your concerns. However using the term "boycott" in that context is still linguistically inaccurate. 

agreed (if it were my thread i'd of worded it differently)

[DarkSpiral]

Roland Aseph wrote...

The boycott thread isn't so much about that as it is...with what you know so far about the various changes in DA2 (horrid graphics, changes to the narrative (now we're playing some guys faulty? memories?), streamlining the combat towards the Hack&Slash model blablabla) do you think you'll still be buying it?

Without question I'll be buying it, however that's partially because they changes intrigue me rather than anger me.  As for the graphics, frankly they look fine to me.  The quality of the work is pre-release, and even then they're hardly horrid.  They *style* may not be pleasing to some people, but that's not the same thing as actually being bad quality.  I'll admit the change for the darkspwan is pretty drastic, and I'm not sure I'm willing to handwave it away, but there might be an explanation for it.  Maybe not, too; I'm willing to wait and find out.

Yes the word boycott is a bit strong, but so is the disappointment factor with a lot of changed areas that many fans felt was what made DAO special to begin with.

That and it's a eye catcher

Read the various threads here AND in all the other game site forums I've been to, you can see right off the bat that a lot of people are upset and disappointed.

This just isn't the direction most would of guessed or expected the Sequel to take.

A lot, in what perspective?  A hundred people can indeed be "a lot" on its own.  But compared to the number of people that don't post on forums at all, the entire population of these boards is nothing.  And the people complaining about the game (mostly complaints that are the result of inferring details from broad, vague information) are only a portion of that population.  So "a lot" ceases to be all that impressive.

And for the record, there are just as many people on the forums that have stated that they were almost certain that the direction of the sequel wouldn't be a continuation of the story of the Warden.  Some of them are not pleased they were right, others (like me) don't really mind the change.  I am of the honest opinion that the people that were caught flat-footed by Hawke's reveal weren't paying attention to the writing on the wall.  It was clear to me that Bioware wasn't going to use the Wardens, either your own character or the order at large, as the focal point of the series.  There were lots of little things that didn't add up to a direct continuation.

[Noobius_Maximo]

They think it's cool to be rebels.

[Roland Aseph]

Well if you like what you've seen so far about the game then that's fantastic for you (really not sarcastic), but that doesn't negate the fact that many (myself being one) are not.



The forums to me are representative of a "sampling", a microcosm reflection of thoughts and opinions that might be found in the purchasing population on a whole.



It's not exact...just like Political Poll numbers, you use the info to try and see the mood and feel of individuals who are an example of the whole.



How many people will pick up DA2 off a store shelf or online without any experience or exposure to DAO? Some, but not near the numbers of those that are fans of the original.



Once more info about the game (it's look, the various changes such) is released and more potential players, both old and new are shone what's in store, it''l be interesting to see what the general consensus about the game becomes.



Some won't care, some will be skeptical yet still buy, others will be upset and put off and won't.



Who's going to be the majority? Not sure.



But everyone that does choose to not buy the game is a loss for BW. Which imo is just sad. They didn't need to take such a drastic risk. They could of tweaked the model already established in Origins with new areas, characters and another epic adventure. Kept the look and feel and the elements that made DAO such a success and pretty much would of sold copies to every single current fan of the game.



But they decided to pretty much change "every" single aspect, from the graphics to the way the story is told to the type of character (single) you'll be playing. It took the established model and turned it on it's head for nothing other than the sake of change.



It's too much imo



Hawke's story should be a separate game relating to the DA IP, not rolled out as a Sequel.



That's my opinion. Whether DA2 will work and be the kind of success that Origin's was or that BW is hoping for, that remains to be seen.



But the more fans of Origins that find out about the game and the changes...the more divide there will be on said changes.



This has done nothing but divide the community, when we could of been a lot more united and excited about what was coming...imo

[Challseus]

A) Because this is the internet
People fear change
C) People are irrational
D) All, or some of the above

Modifié par Challseus, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:14 .

[Zhijn]

Its the same old tale about a new game with new changes, & the angry tiny mob on a board making boycot type of topics. And it may seem like there is alot negative replies & topics, but really its like 2 to a max of 5 making the same replies to every topic on this board. People are just venting steam and frustration about something they know little off but appear to change everything.

Its easier to rant on a new game with no solid information then to give it any sort of praise.

Truth be told, i dont belive anyone here is boycotting DA2.
I actually think they will go on and buy it anyway. Even that Kordaris fellow.

Thats my bet, what is yours!.  oh-so-dramatic!.

Modifié par Zhijn, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:17 .

[FarGears]

I feel like i understand the complants so far people just want a good game  if they don't like where the games going they should say something so bioware can see that not every ones o.k with it and you know ...we do have free speach you know. They may not be right but they may not agree with you that the game is as good as it should be better with some changes. some times i feel like what the hell is bioware doing but we need to know more before i judge but having only human makes me upset( even though i play as human) what we know though is  very little and should wait abit, and **trust bioware**  <-----very important  becasue they always try to make a good product. but  kinda slit the ball on  DA:A by making it (15 hours, can't go up and talk to  team mates, made it  very rushed game(when i was doing the final misson i didn't realize it, don't see some big choices, not as good vocie acting and don't see so many friendly faces.) they also did things i liked (same good gameplay, good story, good choices, upgrading keep, more power, and some really good team mates.

P.S ( bioware don't make DA2 15 hours please)

[RobotNixon]

Troll Trolling Trolls Trollan As Trollees And Trollers Get Trolled.

[Roland Aseph]

Zhijn wrote...
Its easier to rant on a new game with no solid information then to give it any sort of praise.

People are reacting to what "has" been released thus far. The graphics are not going to magically change that much, the "style" is set.

The changes to the story and how it's being delivered have been discussed by the dev's.

You don't need to have the 100% whole picture to judge what you do know.

How much can really come out now about the game that's going to be important enough to win over the hearts & minds of those unhappy with what we've learned so far?

[Jamie9]

They are unsure of all the changes, they wanted a Dragon Age II where it stayed exactly the same with no progress. Also, the Darkspawn look silly.

Modifié par Jamie9, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:44 .

[Bobad]

RobotNixon wrote...

Troll Trolling Trolls Trollan As Trollees And Trollers Get Trolled.

What he said.

[Cyberfrog81]

I'm starting to resent the term "hardcore fan" more and more. Hardcore
fan seems to mean "obnoxious ****** who cares way too much about his
favourite game/genre". So yes, I'm happy NOT to be a hardcore DA:O or "true
RPG" fan.

If DA2 stinks, I'll still look forward to ME3 and
hope that dev team better knows what they're doing. If DA2 is
great, I'll buy it. For most people, there really isn't a whole lot of drama involved in a decision such as this. Nor should there be.

[Bobad]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

I'm starting to resent the term "hardcore fan" more and more. Hardcore
fan seems to mean "obnoxious ****** who cares way too much about his
favourite game/genre". So yes, I'm happy NOT to be a hardcore DA:O or "true
RPG" fan.

If DA2 stinks, I'll still look forward to ME3 and
hope that dev team better knows what they're doing. If DA2 is
great, I'll buy it. For most people, there really isn't a whole lot of drama involved in a decision such as this. Nor should there be.

Stop speaking truth on the internet, you'll break it!

Modifié par Bobad, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:17 .

[Challseus]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

I'm starting to resent the term "hardcore fan" more and more. Hardcore
fan seems to mean "obnoxious ****** who cares way too much about his
favourite game/genre". So yes, I'm happy NOT to be a hardcore DA:O or "true
RPG" fan.

If DA2 stinks, I'll still look forward to ME3 and
hope that dev team better knows what they're doing. If DA2 is
great, I'll buy it. For most people, there really isn't a whole lot of drama involved in a decision such as this. Nor should there be.

I wholeheartedly co-sign this post!

Modifié par Challseus, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:52 .

[Shaenor]

Well, on my opinion, the main reason of negative reaction to the news about DA2 is the structure of the news itself. The whole article was based not on the new cool things that WILL be in DA2, but more on that old and beloved aspects that WON'T be there (my opinion, again). Let me clarify:

- there won't be different origins.

- there won't be new playable races.

- there won't be even old non-human races

- there won't be "I am teh Grey Waden!!!1111" stuff

- there won't be our old character (even better for me, but some player established a solid bond with their Warden)

- there won't be same visual style

- there won't be good-old dialogue trees

What will be in DA2:

- fully voiced character (as for me - not a big deal)

- new visual style (which looks kinda sh...bad right now)

- more action driven combat

- improved combat system for consoles (at least one 100% good news)

- dialogue wheel ala Mass Effect (root of all the evil and №1 hate generator)

So, after analyzing this information pessmistic person thinks that the whole picture looks not very promising. For those who thinks that having negative opinion on something "iz dumb" and not for cool kids (no offence guys^_^) let me show you a little example:
Some guys by the name Woirabe took your favorite bed for "improvement" - he promised that afterwards it will be awesom - round shaped, with little statues of Captain Falcon on four sides and with inbuild audio player, but said nothing about the whole emm...my English fails me..."amortisation system", he even made a remark that possibly there won't be any. I think your feeling won't be very optimistic at this situation:).

P.S. I still can't believe that devs never thought about this type of reaction to the news. I feel kinda...trolled:blink:

[Bobad]

Dialogue Wheel, the root of all evil and No1 hate generator?, it's just a different method of implementing the same thing, video on demand vs DVD for comparison.