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[BLunted]

Skiffee wrote...
Why Are People Boycotting DA2?

because they are goofs

[Shaenor]

I see, but most complains were based around this new element. (to clarify - I'm neither haiting nor loving DA2 already, I still wait for more information)

[tez19]

my reason for boycotting is quite simply

the art direction

i think it looks absolutely terrible, cartoony and NOTHING like the orginal dragon age.

that is my reason why i am boycotting.

each to their own but if i wanted a samurai look i would buy dynasty warriors.

[BLunted]

Shaenor wrote...

I see, but most complains were based around this new element. (to clarify - I'm neither haiting nor loving DA2 already, I still wait for more information)

I am in the same boat.

I just love all the people foaming at the mouth procliaming how awful/awesome the game is based on pretty much no info. It's hilarious.

[Suron]

I've been vocal about my worries and disappointment in where it sounds DA2 is going..but even I'm not "boycotting" it....I'm still going to wait and see...but that doesn't mean I'm gonna keep silent about it.



regardless though these "boycotters" are funny....they're just blowing smoke....kinda reminds one of the L4D2 "boycott"....just a bunch of primaddona's (sp)

[Taoist09]

Without going into specifics, boycotting allows people to show their disdain for the direction a product is heading towards, and do so in an organized manner, something the creators of the said product care a lot about, since products have target demographics/consumers which might be made up in part by the boycotting party. In other words, organized resistance and feedback towards the company in question, as well as a coping mechanism. Honestly, I really don't think that anybody's actually boycotting anything, they might say they are, but hey.

Modifié par Taoist09, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:12 .

[Bobad]

Well they ain't really boycotting it until it's released, I'm personally boycotting personal interstellar spaceships atm.

They'll only be boycotting it when it's available to buy, at the moment they are boycotting it by complaining on these forums under multiple accounts, generally without the ownership icons under the avatar, because you can't register a game twice..........

[Taoist09]

BLunted wrote...
I am in the same boat.

I just love all the people foaming at the mouth procliaming how awful/awesome the game is based on pretty much no info. It's hilarious.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge, there's sufficient info which established the new direction the series is allegedly heading in, which has been repeated numerous times, and one could assume is true. If that is indeed so, and if we assume that Bioware aren't complete screw-ups who achieve the exact opposite of what they set out to do, it would be acceptable of us to assume that there will be some fundamental changes in the game experience (as relating to the prior game), and for us to make a value judgement based on this information, as many have already.

Modifié par Taoist09, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:26 .

[Davasar]

Taoist09 wrote...

Without going into specifics, boycotting allows people to show their disdain for the direction a product is heading towards, and do so in an organized manner, something the creators of the said product care a lot about, since products have target demographics/consumers which might be made up in part by the boycotting party. In other words, organized resistance and feedback towards the company in question, as well as a coping mechanism. Honestly, I really don't think that anybody's actually boycotting anything, they might say they are, but hey.

Except in this case, the Devs told a portion of the loyal fanbase that has helped them get as far as they have to F*** OFF in a very polite way.

Otherwise I agree with you.

[BLunted]

Taoist09 wrote...

Without going into specifics, boycotting allows people to show their disdain for the direction a product is heading towards, and do so in an organized manner, something the creators of the said product care a lot about, since products have target demographics/consumers. In other words, organized resistance and feedback towards the company in question, as well as a coping mechanism. Honestly, I really don't think that anybody's actually boycotting anything, they might say they are, but hey.

I just dont think announcing to the universe that one is boycotting DA2 actually accomplishes anything. Do people actually think that Bioware is going to put the brakes on what they have worked on so far and change it?

I can assure you, if DA2 does not meet sales expectations, Bioware will smarten up with their approach to DA3(if there will be such a thing). The best way to protest is with your wallet, but crying solves nothing.

[Davasar]

BLunted wrote...

Taoist09 wrote...

Without going into specifics, boycotting allows people to show their disdain for the direction a product is heading towards, and do so in an organized manner, something the creators of the said product care a lot about, since products have target demographics/consumers. In other words, organized resistance and feedback towards the company in question, as well as a coping mechanism. Honestly, I really don't think that anybody's actually boycotting anything, they might say they are, but hey.

I just dont think announcing to the universe that one is boycotting DA2 actually accomplishes anything. Do people actually think that Bioware is going to put the brakes on what they have worked on so far and change it?

I can assure you, if DA2 does not meet sales expectations, Bioware will smarten up with their approach to DA3(if there will be such a thing). The best way to protest is with your wallet, but crying solves nothing.

See post above on how they treated a portion of their loyal fanbase.  But voicing displeasure is fine if done in a clear manner.

Whats sad is in those instances, you get blinder wearing fanbois who wont hear of any critisism what so ever and flame those very people for "crying" when it's the furthest thing from it.

Voicing displeasure is merely that, attempting to label it as crying is a crappy, BS tactic that's a lame attempt as discrediting their valid points.

Note:  I am not saying you are one of these fanbois

Modifié par Davasar, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:27 .

[Japkap79]

The one thing im hoping for is, they make sure we can mod in the game, it is not easy to change anything in ME 1 - 2 at all compared to Dragon Age , and if they are doing a overhall of dragon age in general for the new one, i just hope they keep the modding in mind.



If they keep the modding in the game ill buy it for sure, and due to this being a bioware game ill buy it anyway in the end no matter what.

[BLunted]

Davasar wrote...

BLunted wrote...

Taoist09 wrote...

Without going into specifics, boycotting allows people to show their disdain for the direction a product is heading towards, and do so in an organized manner, something the creators of the said product care a lot about, since products have target demographics/consumers. In other words, organized resistance and feedback towards the company in question, as well as a coping mechanism. Honestly, I really don't think that anybody's actually boycotting anything, they might say they are, but hey.

I just dont think announcing to the universe that one is boycotting DA2 actually accomplishes anything. Do people actually think that Bioware is going to put the brakes on what they have worked on so far and change it?

I can assure you, if DA2 does not meet sales expectations, Bioware will smarten up with their approach to DA3(if there will be such a thing). The best way to protest is with your wallet, but crying solves nothing.

See post above on how they treated a portion of their loyal fanbase.  But voicing displeasure is fine if done in a clear manner.

Whats sad is in those instances, you get blinder wearing fanbois who wont hear of any critisism what so ever and flame those very people for "crying" when it's the furthest thing from it.

Voicing displeasure is merely that, attempting to label it as crying is a crappy, BS tactic that's a lame attempt as discrediting their valid points.

Note:  I am not saying you are one of these fanbois

You're right, I am probably being too combative. The honest truth is, I have more in common with the nay-sayers than I do with the fanboy/BW Apologists. I just think that getting overly excited either way, at this point is futile.

[Taoist09]

Davasar wrote...
Except in this case, the Devs told a portion of the loyal fanbase that has helped them get as far as they have to F*** OFF in a very polite way.

Otherwise I agree with you.

Did they? I had no idea. (not being condescending)

BLunted wrote...
I just dont think announcing to the universe
that one is boycotting DA2 actually accomplishes anything. Do people
actually think that Bioware is going to put the brakes on what they have
worked on so far and change it?

I can assure you, if
DA2 does not meet sales expectations, Bioware will smarten up with
their approach to DA3(if there will be such a thing). The best way to
protest is with your wallet, but crying solves nothing.

Normally, I'd disagree with you, at least in the sense that at the very least they'd reconsider their approach, and make sure that it's the correct one, even if only for a couple of seconds; in this instance, however, while they are people and will have some second thoughts, I read that they listened to what the fans wanted and did sufficient focus and demo testing. And that information's as solid as concrete, so yeah, unless the whole community rises up, a protest by a vocal minority isn't likely to change anything.

[MeldarPrime]

I was not even aware people were boycotting Dragon Age 2 already till I saw this thread but then again I've not really been following it either. I see point in boycotting Dragon Age 2 as it's not even out yet. Then again I see no point in drooling over it either as it's not out yet. I doubt I'll buy it though after all the issues with Dragon Age Origins.

Modifié par MeldarPrime, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:39 .

[Taoist09]

Davasar wrote...
See post above on how they treated a portion of their loyal fanbase.  But voicing displeasure is fine if done in a clear manner.

Whats sad is in those instances, you get blinder wearing fanbois who wont hear of any critisism what so ever and flame those very people for "crying" when it's the furthest thing from it.

Voicing displeasure is merely that, attempting to label it as crying is a crappy, BS tactic that's a lame attempt as discrediting their valid points.

Note:  I am not saying you are one of these fanbois

Very true, it's much easier to dismiss a contrary statement rather than to address it. There's always a chance that even behind dozens of exclamation points and misspelled words there's a superiour argument, and we mustn't run away, especially if we are indeed correct, since then we can provide an opportunity for the other person to gain a stronger argument/pov if we stay and address it via discussion.

Modifié par Taoist09, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:43 .

[Ghost_360]

Because its not DA:O. Plain and simple.

The same reason some people were upset with ME2 because it wasnt ME1.

In the end most people who say they're boycotting it will buy it simply because they care too much about the franchise.

They may come on here and complain about how this "isnt Dragon Age" and what not but in the end its most likely gonna be a great game and the "purest" will go to extremes to find things wrong with it, even though the wont admit that DA:O was just as flawed.

Modifié par Ghost_360, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:51 .

[Skiffee]

Shaenor wrote...

Well, on my opinion, the main reason of negative reaction to the news about DA2 is the structure of the news itself. The whole article was based not on the new cool things that WILL be in DA2, but more on that old and beloved aspects that WON'T be there (my opinion, again). Let me clarify:

- there won't be different origins.

- there won't be new playable races.

- there won't be even old non-human races

- there won't be "I am teh Grey Waden!!!1111" stuff

- there won't be our old character (even better for me, but some player established a solid bond with their Warden)

- there won't be same visual style

- there won't be good-old dialogue trees

What will be in DA2:

- fully voiced character (as for me - not a big deal)

- new visual style (which looks kinda sh...bad right now)

- more action driven combat

- improved combat system for consoles (at least one 100% good news)

- dialogue wheel ala Mass Effect (root of all the evil and №1 hate generator)

So, after analyzing this information pessmistic person thinks that the whole picture looks not very promising. For those who thinks that having negative opinion on something "iz dumb" and not for cool kids (no offence guys^_^) let me show you a little example:
Some guys by the name Woirabe took your favorite bed for "improvement" - he promised that afterwards it will be awesom - round shaped, with little statues of Captain Falcon on four sides and with inbuild audio player, but said nothing about the whole emm...my English fails me..."amortisation system", he even made a remark that possibly there won't be any. I think your feeling won't be very optimistic at this situation:).

P.S. I still can't believe that devs never thought about this type of reaction to the news. I feel kinda...trolled:blink:

Thank you very much for your post, these reasons are exactly what I was looking for.

[Legion 2.5]

I think people are going a little too far on this boycotting thing.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Is there a distinction between "boycotting" and simply not buying the game because it doesn't sound like a player's preferred style of fun? I mean, you can't really boycott a game, can you? A boycott is aimed toward a company, isn't it?



After I had played Mass Effect 1 to death, I really didn't have plans to buy Mass Effect 2. I wasn't "boycotting" anything, I just didn't want more of the same. When I heard about the changes coming, I bought it and loved it.



So, are we just talking about some fans not liking the sound of the changes, or is there something a little broader and more organized going on?

[Sharn01]

I have not decided what I will do when DA2 comes out, I am taking a wait and see philosophy. The only changes that I will never be happy with is the forcing players to be human decision and if they do dumb down the story elements in favor of combat this to will upset me, but the latter is only rumor so far.



Even if they make these changes it does not mean I will not purchase the game and enjoy it, just that I will never support the decision to make the game that way, other things will factor in. I did not buy DA:A and never will because they basicly threw out your decisions from origins as well as the companions that stayed with you, the game also lacked proper dialog, always identifying the PC as a human regardless of the actual race. Since it was suppose to be a direct follow up from DA:O I found this to be unacceptable.



DA2 is a new story with a new protagonist, just because I am very bummed that said protagonist will always be human doesnt mean the game will be horrible, but it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

[Stanley Woo]

Generally, people aren't going to "boycott DA2." They're just a little excitable right now because they have a lot of emotional attachment to their Origins character and the DAO story, and know next to nothing about this new Hawke and the adventures he/she is going to have in DA2. Once they start learning more about the character and the new game, I'm sure people will start to come around. After all, people were doomsaying DAO before they knew a lot about it, too. And NWN. And KotOR. And Jade Empire. And Mass Effect.



In fact, people on the internet doomsay things all the time, because it's a no-lose situation. If the game turns out poorly, they can say "I told you so!" If the game turns out well, they have a great game to play and can safely remain quiet and blend into the crowd of other people who are enjoying the game. They don't have to hold themselves accountable for anything said on the internet.



Because we are already discussing people boycotting the game in this thread, I'm going to shut this one down. Please take your discussion there. Thanks, everybody!



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