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[M1tt3ns]

Geth001 wrote...

M1tt3ns wrote...

You mean, if you take three screenshots from gritty military shooters with lip-service to realism and make sure all the screenshots are set to the exactly same scenario (being greviously wouned, with much of the screen being blocked) they'll look similar? Why, that's almost an argument!

If all you do is play crappy mainstream military shooters, then yes, you're going to notice that a lot of them play the same. Likewise, if you watch a lot of corny action movies, you're going to realize that almost all of them involve a muscely white guy murdering tons of terrorists with absolutely atrocious aim.

There are plenty of phenomenal shooters that don't even come close to fitting in this mold, you just have to look past the gigantic posters all over Gamestop. Check out Metro 2033, the Half Life series, or the STALKER series.

Or hell, if you want a game with decent shooter gameplay and RPG elements, check out Resident Evil 4 (I will punch anyone who calls this survival horror), or Alpha Protocol (which has stealth elements too!)

Yes, there certainly are a lot, but they're diamonds in the rough. Most shooters are like the ones pictured and that's what gives shooters a bad name. I'm not knocking on shooters. I enjoy them a lot. I think you should take a step back and read my whole post before you react with so much passion against something I never said.

To reiterate, my reason for not liking shooters as much these days is that they've become mostly 'crappy mainstream military shooters'. There's few that are unique or interesting. I'm not saying they're not there. I'm just saying that for every good one out there, there's a handful of bad ones.

[Clover Rider]

Geth001 wrote...

M1tt3ns wrote...

You mean, if you take three screenshots from gritty military shooters with lip-service to realism and make sure all the screenshots are set to the exactly same scenario (being greviously wouned, with much of the screen being blocked) they'll look similar? Why, that's almost an argument!

If all you do is play crappy mainstream military shooters, then yes, you're going to notice that a lot of them play the same. Likewise, if you watch a lot of corny action movies, you're going to realize that almost all of them involve a muscely white guy murdering tons of terrorists with absolutely atrocious aim.

There are plenty of phenomenal shooters that don't even come close to fitting in this mold, you just have to look past the gigantic posters all over Gamestop. Check out Metro 2033, the Half Life series, or the STALKER series.

Or hell, if you want a game with decent shooter gameplay and RPG elements, check out Resident Evil 4 (I will punch anyone who calls this survival horror), or Alpha Protocol (which has stealth elements too!)

Likewise, if you only play the Final Fantasy series and other mainstream JRPGs, you're going to be convinced that the entire RPG genre is based off of taking teenagers with terrible haircuts to a variety of locales with schizophrenic technology advancement so they can angst about some girl.

I like this post but I must say the old Final Fantasy games 1 to 6 and 9 are not like that .

[BomimoDK]

Some Geth wrote...

Geth001 wrote...

M1tt3ns wrote...

You mean, if you take three screenshots from gritty military shooters with lip-service to realism and make sure all the screenshots are set to the exactly same scenario (being greviously wouned, with much of the screen being blocked) they'll look similar? Why, that's almost an argument!

If all you do is play crappy mainstream military shooters, then yes, you're going to notice that a lot of them play the same. Likewise, if you watch a lot of corny action movies, you're going to realize that almost all of them involve a muscely white guy murdering tons of terrorists with absolutely atrocious aim.

There are plenty of phenomenal shooters that don't even come close to fitting in this mold, you just have to look past the gigantic posters all over Gamestop. Check out Metro 2033, the Half Life series, or the STALKER series.

Or hell, if you want a game with decent shooter gameplay and RPG elements, check out Resident Evil 4 (I will punch anyone who calls this survival horror), or Alpha Protocol (which has stealth elements too!)

Likewise, if you only play the Final Fantasy series and other mainstream JRPGs, you're going to be convinced that the entire RPG genre is based off of taking teenagers with terrible haircuts to a variety of locales with schizophrenic technology advancement so they can angst about some girl.

I like this post but I must say the old Final Fantasy games 1 to 6 and 9 are not like that .

it's funny, those you mention are also the games of the series without the Emo protagonists who "can't do anything" and is just generally embarrassing and useless. i like FF5 and 6 expecially.

FF7-12= the Emo saga. FF13 was a fresh gust of change from that path, but enought about that. i agree with that post too. the snobs on this forums are only right about the shooters (or simulators, god-sims, RTS, Sport, Music and other game genres) if they pick and choose and pretend the rest doesn't exist. it's petty and pathetic and it royally pisses me off.

M1tt3ns wrote...




Yes, there certainly are a
lot, but they're diamonds in the rough. Most shooters are like the ones
pictured and that's what gives shooters a bad name. I'm not knocking on
shooters. I enjoy them a lot. I think you should take a step back and
read my whole post before you react with so much passion against
something I never said.

To reiterate, my reason for not liking
shooters as much these days is that they've become mostly 'crappy
mainstream military shooters'. There's few that are unique or
interesting. I'm not saying they're not there. I'm just saying that for
every good one out there, there's a handful of bad ones.

last year, we saw MW2 and Killzone representing mindless shooters. on the other side of the bench we had Call of Pipryat (which is debatably more of an RPG without a skillsystem) and on the action shooter front we had Uncharted 2 which was more of a platformer. I hope we can agree that you're bashing the quickpaced Multiplayer of  MW2, because i saw very little to nothing of the stereotypical Muscle soldier which appears in GoW and KZ.
I'm fumbling here because i don't keep up with the shooter genre much, but i'm starting to think that many on this forum would remaing ignorant in order to bash rather than to take a genuine look at the redeeming games.

I own MW2, i'm mediocre at it. i enjoyed the short and expensive as hell story. i hated the price. i got bored of GoW and KZ but was totally immersed in Uncharted 2. CoP bores me but Metro's atmosphere (alike to Stalker, ironically) fascinates me.

there is more to judging a game than from what perspective it is played and wether or not a diceroll or choices direct the gameplay and story. I am not talking to you directly now, but i find it horrible that half or more of this forum (in order to kiss ass at bioware... but missing since they seem to value humility.) claim supperior intelligence which makes them capable of loving "Hardcore" RPG's, but at the same time being so thick skulled that they assume that ALL shooters must be mindless splatfests of german kids screaming. I don't know what their problem is... they can't keep up with the pace? they think it's for lower lifeforms? i don't know, but the signal they send is that of unfounded supperiority, prejudice and generalization. a classic case of "you see one ****, you've seen them all" which is an idiotic view to have.

I'm passionate, I'm pissed, I'm a gamer on a mission... i want biggotry out of these forums... and my weapon will have to be the intellect they claim to have and my words... or i could just retreat and try to duck when they fire?

again, not entirely directed at you because you have sense enough to recongize that it's not the genre that makes the game... it's, hilariously enough, the game. So, please don't take this as a hit at you. i just kind of, went on a stream of thought inspired by what you wrote.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 30 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Anyone who's played the COD4 campaign and thinks it's mindless drivel is an idiot. Its story was better than DA:O's, tbh.

I hope you're kidding. COD 4 and by extension MW2 had truly moronic storylines to say the least. It would have been better if they did stick to an actual war instead of making one up. 

Where do I start on how lousy their story was? Was it the Russian ultra-nationalist movement? That whole subplot alone is rife with even sillier subplots. Using a nuclear bomb on a city to wipe out a Marine Expeditionary Force? Not only is that overkill but it would probably lead to worldwide condemnation. (especially if the truth were revealed)

I'm sorry but I can eve begin to write about a stupid COD 4 story was and don't even get me started on MW2 it's even worse. I didn't think there would be anybody around that would defend that game's story.

[The Interloper]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Anyone who's played the COD4 campaign and thinks it's mindless drivel is an idiot. Its story was better than DA:O's, tbh.

I hope you're kidding. COD 4 and by extension MW2 had truly moronic storylines to say the least. It would have been better if they did stick to an actual war instead of making one up. 

Where do I start on how lousy their story was? Was it the Russian ultra-nationalist movement? That whole subplot alone is rife with even sillier subplots. Using a nuclear bomb on a city to wipe out a Marine Expeditionary Force? Not only is that overkill but it would probably lead to worldwide condemnation. (especially if the truth were revealed)

I'm sorry but I can eve begin to write about a stupid COD 4 story was and don't even get me started on MW2 it's even worse. I didn't think there would be anybody around that would defend that game's story.

Yeah, MW is one of the few games I've played whose story seems dumber and dumber the more I play it, and I've played it a decent amount too. Its full of cliches and implausibilites(particularly the second one), which is fine, but takes itself way to seriously and that combination leads to you looking just moronic. As PCG described it, it had cool moments stuck together with globs of stupid plot. I liked it for some reason, but you have to have a screw loose to think that it was better than DA:O, formulaic as it was,

Modifié par The Interloper, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:24 .

[Cazic of LFD]

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Anyone who's played the COD4 campaign and thinks it's mindless drivel is an idiot. Its story was better than DA:O's, tbh.

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing i've seen posted in years. Seriously? COD4 had a better storyline then DA:O? Thats like saying some cheap romance novel had a better plot then a LOTR book. I mean really, its no contest.

As for the topic at hand, i think it really only pertains to most shooters that have been made in the last 3 years really. Honestly i can only think of 2 shooters that really had a decent plot line and overrall were amazing in all aspects. Bioshock and Half-life 2. Everything else is just overhyped dribble. Gaming companies are putting more and more effort into simplifying everything, better graphics, and rediculous non-sensical advertising campaigns more than overrall quality of the game.Activision is the poster boy of this new method for creating games. Modern Warfare 2 is a great example. The story was complete trash, made absolutely no sense and multiplayer was a step down from its predecessor. COD4 had a mediocre but at least it still had good multiplayer. Anyone who tries to argue that Modern Warfare 2 was a good game is seriously misinformed or has a severe lack of brain-power.

Call me elitist, a doucebag, a-hole, whatever. I prefer a game that challenges me and requires me to use my brain. Not some mindless spam-fest like what most games seem to be turning into.

Modifié par Cazic of LFD, 31 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[Geth001]

M1tt3ns wrote...

To reiterate, my reason for not liking shooters as much these days is that they've become mostly 'crappy mainstream military shooters'. There's few that are unique or interesting. I'm not saying they're not there. I'm just saying that for every good one out there, there's a handful of bad ones.

Which is, of course, a statement that can be applied to everything that is produced by humanity, from Shooters to RPGs to beer to glassware to ornamental sculptures. The vast overwhelming majority of anything produced is trash. Dismissing shooters because you're too lazy to look for the good ones is well... stupid.

[AClockworkMelon]

Just because a game is a good RPG doesn't mean that it automatically has a great story. And I didn't mention Modern Warfare 2. I'm on your side of the fence on that one: Its story was stupid and convoluted. But I stand by what I said about COD4.

[Geth001]

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Just because a game is a good RPG doesn't mean that it automatically has a great story. And I didn't mention Modern Warfare 2. I'm on your side of the fence on that one: Its story was stupid and convoluted. But I stand by what I said about COD4.

COD4 wasn't well-written, at least in terms of depth or complexity, but the characters were very believable, instead of just being "rah rah, we're the stalwart heroes of the land." And the atmosphere and setpieces were absolutely incredible.

[SithLordExarKun]

Cazic of LFD wrote...



This is quite possibly the stupidest thing i've seen posted in years. Seriously? COD4 had a better storyline then DA:O? Thats like saying some cheap romance novel had a better plot then a LOTR book. I mean really, its no contest.

Thats even assuming DAO had a good plot, which honestly, is not considering that the main plot is to gather allies to fight an ancient evil. That being said DAO is my favourite RPG, just because it is a fantastic RPG and an incredible game doesn't mean it had a great story(i refer to the main plot, not the sidequests, character interactions etc).

That being said i DO think COD4 has a decent story and not the utter ****fest that is Modern Warfare 2 which frankly speaking, causes brain damage when you play it too much.

[Chuvvy]

I like some shooters. Like Metro 2033, STALKER, Singularity, Half Life, ect. I bet I'm the only one here ****ing loved Shellshock Nam' 67. That's one of my favorites. I could have cried when I played the second one it was so awful.

[SirVincealot]

BLOOD, CLIVE BARKER'S UNDYING, NO ONE LIVES FOREVER, HEXEN 2, DARK FORCES II: JEDI KNIGHT, F.E.A.R., TRON 2.0, CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK, S.I.N., and I would argue BIOSHOCK.



Shooters have simpler goals but they can be just as compelling and fully realized as other genre. Really, we ought to ask: is it a good *game*?

[Vandrayke]

Different games for different moods. Sometimes I want to dork out and play an RPG all day, sometimes I want to blow crap up, sometimes I want to manage an NFL team, sometimes I want to play the actual games, sometimes I want to conquer the world, sometimes I want to build crap. I don't turn stupid when I decide to play Bioshock or Madden and then get smart again when I play Europa Universalis 3.

[bjdbwea]

That's true, but if a game tries to be every genre, it ends up doing nothing really well. So why would people not buy a great game of each genre instead? BioWare are RPG experts, and as much as people say combat was improved in ME 2, it's still far beyond the good shooters. Especially shooters on PC, those did things better than ME 2 already ten years ago. So the bottom line is: BioWare should continue to use their strengths instead of trying to cater to a different audience that has enough games to their liking already - which is probably one more reason why they didn't buy ME 2 in as large numbers as BioWare/EA certainly hoped.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Cazic of LFD wrote...

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Anyone who's played the COD4 campaign and thinks it's mindless drivel is an idiot. Its story was better than DA:O's, tbh.

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing i've seen posted in years. Seriously? COD4 had a better storyline then DA:O? Thats like saying some cheap romance novel had a better plot then a LOTR book. I mean really, its no contest.

As for the topic at hand, i think it really only pertains to most shooters that have been made in the last 3 years really. Honestly i can only think of 2 shooters that really had a decent plot line and overrall were amazing in all aspects. Bioshock and Half-life 2. Everything else is just overhyped dribble. Gaming companies are putting more and more effort into simplifying everything, better graphics, and rediculous non-sensical advertising campaigns more than overrall quality of the game.Activision is the poster boy of this new method for creating games. Modern Warfare 2 is a great example. The story was complete trash, made absolutely no sense and multiplayer was a step down from its predecessor. COD4 had a mediocre but at least it still had good multiplayer. Anyone who tries to argue that Modern Warfare 2 was a good game is seriously misinformed or has a severe lack of brain-power.

Call me elitist, a doucebag, a-hole, whatever. I prefer a game that challenges me and requires me to use my brain. Not some mindless spam-fest like what most games seem to be turning into.

I really don't think that being upset that most shooters out there are simplistic would qualify you as an elitist. I'm on the same boat as you. I think the developers are dumbing down shooters and singleplayer games in general. When the average gameplay time of the most popular games hovers at around 5-8 hours then there is a serious problem. Problem 1 is that developers are putting too much emphasis on making MP the key selling point to their games and Problem 2 they are marketing to the lowest common denominator. (There! I said it!) As you said Activision is leading the way in ignoring the gamers who want more out of SP and out of shooters in general. (IW should not be free from blame either)

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Just because a game is a good RPG doesn't mean that it automatically has a great story. And I didn't mention Modern Warfare 2. I'm on your side of the fence on that one: Its story was stupid and convoluted. But I stand by what I said about COD4.

How? I can't compare DA:O because I have played it yet. (time constraints) I can only say that COD 4 had a ridiculously juvenile storyline made only worse by it sequel. But I won't discuss that here.  Anybody with a reasonable understanding of world history (military/political/etc.) would say that COD 4's plot was ridiculous. The only little subplot that was even remotely plausible was the coup in the Middle East and the invasion of that unnamed country. Everything else was laughably mind-numbing bull sh!t. Ultra-nationalists? Eastern europe may not be the most stable region in the world but I highly doubt that an Ultra-nationalist movement could take over Russia, especially today. The fact that they wanted to trigger a Nuclear war and the flagrant usage of nuclear weapons made roll my eyes. The motivation of triggering a war no-one can win is mind-bogglingly stupid. All nuclear powers during the Cold war all concurred that triggering a Nuclear war would mean Mutually Assured Destruction. (MAD) Besides, they were all happy fighting proxy wars and keeping control of colonies and other disputed territories.

To me the best parts of COD 4 story and gameplay were the USMC missions. The SAS missions didn't work because the scripted nature of the COD series  doesn't really work if you are trying to portray a Special operations mission.    

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Slidell505 wrote...

I like some shooters. Like Metro 2033, STALKER, Singularity, Half Life, ect. I bet I'm the only one here ****ing loved Shellshock Nam' 67. That's one of my favorites. I could have cried when I played the second one it was so awful.

You're not alone!

[Pocketgb]

bjdbwea wrote...

That's true, but if a game tries to be every genre, it ends up doing nothing really well. So why would people not buy a great game of each genre instead? BioWare are RPG experts, and as much as people say combat was improved in ME 2, it's still far beyond the good shooters. Especially shooters on PC, those did things better than ME 2 already ten years ago. So the bottom line is: BioWare should continue to use their strengths instead of trying to cater to a different audience that has enough games to their liking already - which is probably one more reason why they didn't buy ME 2 in as large numbers as BioWare/EA certainly hoped.

This is pretty much why so many disliked the aspect of ME1 way back when it was announced it was part RPG and part shooter.

But I'll disagree with what their strengths are, and this is in the writing. As iffy as the plot structure is in ME2 (and as iffy as it can be in ME1, to varying degress) the dialog is still the star of the show in this game. The best moments in ME1 were in conversation, and the best moments in ME2 are no different.

As Bioware makes more and more games, it's becoming more apparent that RPG mechanics are not Bioware's forte. After BG2 they haven't been able to make a fulfilling and in-depth combat experience. DA:O was supposed to change this but introduced way too much imbalance, occassionally static progression (and by 'ocassionally' I mean whenever you play a Warrior) and relatively awful mechanics (tan 'n spank gameplay and potion spam). Dragon Age was supposed to go back to the glory days of BG2, but all we ended up with was an annoying learning curve that lead to easy encounters.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 31 juillet 2010 - 11:24 .

[Pocketgb]

SirVincealot wrote...

BLOOD, CLIVE BARKER'S UNDYING, NO ONE LIVES FOREVER, HEXEN 2, DARK FORCES II: JEDI KNIGHT, F.E.A.R., TRON 2.0, CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK, S.I.N., and I would argue BIOSHOCK.

Shooters have simpler goals but they can be just as compelling and fully realized as other genre. Really, we ought to ask: is it a good *game*?

Minus 10 points for not mentioning Hexen 1.

Plus 500 for mentioning Blood.

"I live....Agaaain...!" Best anti-hero ever. Seriously you don't know how proud I am that you mentioned it.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

BomimoDK wrote...

last year, we saw MW2 and Killzone representing mindless shooters. on the other side of the bench we had Call of Pipryat (which is debatably more of an RPG without a skillsystem) and on the action shooter front we had Uncharted 2 which was more of a platformer. I hope we can agree that you're bashing the quickpaced Multiplayer of  MW2, because i saw very little to nothing of the stereotypical Muscle soldier which appears in GoW and KZ.
I'm fumbling here because i don't keep up with the shooter genre much, but i'm starting to think that many on this forum would remaing ignorant in order to bash rather than to take a genuine look at the redeeming games.

I own MW2, i'm mediocre at it. i enjoyed the short and expensive as hell story. i hated the price. i got bored of GoW and KZ but was totally immersed in Uncharted 2. CoP bores me but Metro's atmosphere (alike to Stalker, ironically) fascinates me.

there is more to judging a game than from what perspective it is played and wether or not a diceroll or choices direct the gameplay and story. I am not talking to you directly now, but i find it horrible that half or more of this forum (in order to kiss ass at bioware... but missing since they seem to value humility.) claim supperior intelligence which makes them capable of loving "Hardcore" RPG's, but at the same time being so thick skulled that they assume that ALL shooters must be mindless splatfests of german kids screaming. I don't know what their problem is... they can't keep up with the pace? they think it's for lower lifeforms? i don't know, but the signal they send is that of unfounded supperiority, prejudice and generalization. a classic case of "you see one ****, you've seen them all" which is an idiotic view to have.

I'm passionate, I'm pissed, I'm a gamer on a mission... i want biggotry out of these forums... and my weapon will have to be the intellect they claim to have and my words... or i could just retreat and try to duck when they fire?

again, not entirely directed at you because you have sense enough to recongize that it's not the genre that makes the game... it's, hilariously enough, the game. So, please don't take this as a hit at you. i just kind of, went on a stream of thought inspired by what you wrote.

While I do agree that all this RPG elitist nonsense wears thin fast. I like practically every single game genre there is so all this talk about shooters being for the ADD crowd is childish. However, I do think that all this anger geared at the shooter genre comes from somewhere. Shooters are being dumbed down. Cross genre games aren't being made. I'm seeing a general stagnation in the gaming industry that I find troubling.

Part of the problem is elitists and purists. These gamers don't like changes made to their favorite genres. For someone who would more cross genre games this is irritating but the bigger problem is that developers are feeding the purists and elitist what they want because they know that they are safe and reliable customer. For Shooter specifically they are dictating the demand by giving us simplistic games that are aesthetically pleasing but are ridiculously short. They spend more time on multiplayer and use that as their selling point nowadays. It's sad to see on some Boards that people post: "Does anybody even play SP anymore?" 

MW2 was waste of a Shooter. It took very little effort to beat on normal. I didn't even bother with MP. I tend not to because COD 4 MP was incredibly overrated. Killzone 2 is more enjoyable but the controls can be problematic at times. Of the action I still play casually (and I have a lot of the popular ones), Mass Effects 1 and 2, Metal Gear solid, GTA 4 (and it's DLCs) and Uncharted 2. I rarely play any of the COD games that I have. COD 3 and MW2
the least of all. 

Going back to MP, I tend to avoid playing MP on most games except GTA 4. My biggest pet peeves are run and gunners and people who whine about "camping". Using strategy doesn't seem to be emphasized at all on MP games. It's all about "fast paced gaming" and all that BS. Which is why you rarely see prone used in games anymore. And I'm pretty much going on a rant that could take up way too many pages.

Basically, if the gaming industry doesn't want to enter a doldrum and hopes to transcend being an industry that caters to kids and nerds, they need to take risks and ignore the purists, the ADD crowd and the elitists.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

You know, RPG-gamers are a superior race that can't stand the existence of some skill based type of game like first person shooters. And they're right, obviously /sarcasm.

But you know, in the 90's there were much fps games on the market as there were today. Only, they were mostly exclusive to PCs. Now that they're on consoles too, they're kind of a cancer in the industry. The truth is: consoles are overrated.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 01 août 2010 - 12:23 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

You know, RPG-gamers are a superior race that can't stand the existence of some skill based type of game like first person shooters. And they're right, obviously /sarcasm.

But you know, in the 90's there were much fps games on the market as there were today. Only, they were mostly exclusive to PCs. Now that they're on consoles too, they're kind of a cancer in the industry. The truth is: consoles are overrated.

I would have agreed with ten years ago since the last console I had was a Super nintendo and a Sega Genesis. Since high end gaming computers are ridiculously expensive I could never enjoy the best of what PCs have to offer. I broke my moratorium on consoles and purchased the 360 and PS3. I really don't see why PC gamers look down on console gamers at all. My biggest issue with consoles in respect to FPS and shooters in general is explained in my above post. To repeat: Take risks, ignore the ADD gaming community and no more run and gun shooters. (I want tactics!)

[JedTed]

RPG elitists are worse than PC elitists.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

You know, RPG-gamers are a superior race that can't stand the existence of some skill based type of game like first person shooters. And they're right, obviously /sarcasm.

But you know, in the 90's there were much fps games on the market as there were today. Only, they were mostly exclusive to PCs. Now that they're on consoles too, they're kind of a cancer in the industry. The truth is: consoles are overrated.

I would have agreed with ten years ago since the last console I had was a Super nintendo and a Sega Genesis. Since high end gaming computers are ridiculously expensive I could never enjoy the best of what PCs have to offer. I broke my moratorium on consoles and purchased the 360 and PS3. I really don't see why PC gamers look down on console gamers at all. My biggest issue with consoles in respect to FPS and shooters in general is explained in my above post. To repeat: Take risks, ignore the ADD gaming community and no more run and gun shooters. (I want tactics!)

Yeah me too. I always played on PC but much less than on consoles. Never played adventures until some years ago. CRGPs? Only in my dreams. I'm taking my time to play some PC classics every now and then.
I have a theory that PC gamers look down on console gamers because most games that are critically and comercially successful nowadays are PC-like games. FPS and shooters in general, Western RPGs are much more praised than JRPGs which are a console-focused kind of game and critics claim this is a HUGE thing, which is a joke because PC gamers could these kind of games ages ago. And fast paced shooters nowadays are a joke compared to Quake/Unreal Tournament. THAT was fast paced.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 01 août 2010 - 01:09 .

[Whereto]

JedTed wrote...

RPG elitists are worse than PC elitists.

I play PC and i cant stand elitists, they are a pain in the ass and state the obvious that pc would beat xbox and ps3 in every aspect of competitive gaming. Im like come on you have a mouse and generally better internet connection combined with better hardware, who do you think is going to win

But as for shooters being 'mindless' it tends to be true now days.MW2 i think is the worst think eve to happen to FPS. Now everyone wants to copy and have lots of money in the bank. In actual fact they kill there chances of making more money cause it only attracts the child who have their parents money