best-selling does not equal best-quality, but the two are not mutually exclusive. And something that you don't like is not necessarily "inferior;" it might just be targeted at people who like different stuff. Which doesn't make you any more sophisticated or whatever than them. Just different
Be honest, you'd do the same in BioWare's place
#51
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:28
best-selling does not equal best-quality, but the two are not mutually exclusive. And something that you don't like is not necessarily "inferior;" it might just be targeted at people who like different stuff. Which doesn't make you any more sophisticated or whatever than them. Just different
#52
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:30
Best-selling==Majority likes it==makes a lot of money==Companies make similar stuffVandrayke wrote...
lol
best-selling does not equal best-quality, but the two are not mutually exclusive. And something that you don't like is not necessarily "inferior;" it might just be targeted at people who like different stuff. Which doesn't make you any more sophisticated or whatever than them. Just different
Modifié par BlackyBlack, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:33 .
#53
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:32
#54
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:34
2. Dragon Age has no direct competitors. They all are very old PC games. There is Witcher (which is **** in many departments), but 1 competitor is not that much.
#55
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:35
BlackyBlack wrote...
Best-selling==Majority likes it==makes a lot of moneyVandrayke wrote...
lol
best-selling does not equal best-quality, but the two are not mutually exclusive. And something that you don't like is not necessarily "inferior;" it might just be targeted at people who like different stuff. Which doesn't make you any more sophisticated or whatever than them. Just different
sure
but some people act like if the majority likes something, it is inherently bad. And some people act like best-selling validates some kind of quality the game might theoretically have. And some people confuse universal praise with best-selling. People just need to remember that correlation != causation and leave it at that
#56
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:35
tez19 wrote...
his views are sickly and and comments ailing.
bibad are you my number 1 fan? you comment on every post i make or are just an ignoramus who needs a hobby.
His views subjected to yours may appear so, to you.
Yes, I am your number 1 fan, and is the the mispelling of ignoramous intentional irony?
#57
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:36
Doesn't matter. A lot of people complained about the combat system and this way it will attract new customers that never would have bought it if it remained the same systemLord Gremlin wrote...
2. Dragon Age has no direct competitors. They all are very old PC games. There is Witcher (which is **** in many departments), but 1 competitor is not that much.
#58
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:37
there is no such word as ignoramous i am afraid.Bobad wrote...
tez19 wrote...
his views are sickly and and comments ailing.
bibad are you my number 1 fan? you comment on every post i make or are just an ignoramus who needs a hobby.
His views subjected to yours may appear so, to you.
Yes, I am your number 1 fan, and is the the mispelling of ignoramous intentional irony?
#59
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:38
Don't feed the troll. The mods will be here sooner or later, I've already reported his posts
#60
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:40
#61
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:40
I've played on PS3 and I must say this combat system doesn't need radical change. It needs more polished controls on PS3 and better animations.BlackyBlack wrote...
Doesn't matter. A lot of people complained about the combat system and this way it will attract new customers that never would have bought it if it remained the same systemLord Gremlin wrote...
2. Dragon Age has no direct competitors. They all are very old PC games. There is Witcher (which is **** in many departments), but 1 competitor is not that much.
What is much more important for sales is graphics. You see, it's a worst looking game among PS3 games. And it looks even worse on X360. And let's be honest it's not the best graphics on PC as well.
#62
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:41
BlackyBlack wrote...
Doesn't matter. A lot of people complained about the combat system and this way it will attract new customers that never would have bought it if it remained the same systemLord Gremlin wrote...
2. Dragon Age has no direct competitors. They all are very old PC games. There is Witcher (which is **** in many departments), but 1 competitor is not that much.
As well as attract those that didn't bother finishing the first as they didn't get on with said system.
#63
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:41
#64
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:41
#65
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:44
Nope. I suppose DAO maybe sold a little bit more than ME2 but only from all three systems combined. Don't forget ME2 was released on 2 systems, while DAO on 3Amyntas wrote...
Do we even have reliable numbers on how many copies of ME2 and DA have been sold?
#66
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:47
'ignoramous'
LOL
you are a funny one bobad with silly made up words to throw about.
#67
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:51
#68
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:54
Funny thing is, the things he complains about the most in his RPG reviews usually get solved in the sequel (ME2, Witcher 2 etc). Of course, he'll find something else to complain about, but that's why he's so funnyAlainNagel wrote...
I saw Yatzee's review of DAO again yesterday and actually it looks like most of what he complained about is getting solved in DA2. So a careful "Yeah!" here.
Modifié par BlackyBlack, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .
#69
Guest_Kordaris_*
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:56
Guest_Kordaris_*
Agreed completely. The question is-at what point they decide they want to make more money while keeping connect to their old games and RPG. You can make some money, and you can make a lot of money. Since they were bought by EA...well I am sure you will be able to think about what their choices are.BlackyBlack wrote...
It may come as a surprise to some of you, but BioWare doesn't exist to fulfill a small vocal minority's wishes. It's a company who's main purpose is to make money
Well the majority of gamers aren't RPG gamers. That is true. Perhaps EA is trying to make Bioware gradually gain target market that will be made of vast majority of players that prefer Modern Warfare 2 and God of War.and to do that they need to appease the majority of gamers, not the RPG elitists (also known as the biggest whiners in the world
DAO presentation is better-because it allows more choices and outcomes.on't really care whether you prefer ME or DAO (or which story), but you've got to admit the presentation is much better in ME because it's more cinematic.
If sales are everything, then why make an RPG at all instead of FPS shooter? Of course the way things are going ME2 was almost like a shooter, and I guess ME3 will be even more, while DA2 will be more similiar to combat games.Avatar isn't the best selling movie ever 'cos of its story, it's the presentation that matters. And ME2 sold more than DAO
But Dragon Age 1 has it, and thus this is a very weak argument. Character customisation was the element that made Dragon Age so great.Complete character customization has NEVER been what defines an RPG. Planescape: Torment, The Witcher, JRPGs none of those have character customization.
Not really, corporations like making money. Most people prefer having enjoyable life. I for example prefer being unemployed rather than work in a ****ty job that hurts my dignity. Some women want easy big money from prostitution, while most don't...and so on. Making money isn't everything to people. Of course I mean people, not corporate drones and execs.Anyway, back to my point in the topic. If you had a choice whether to make a lot of money or huge sh!tload of money, would YOU really choose otherwise? I may be wrong, but I think that PEOPLE LIKE MONEY
Oh and I have no doubt that Dragon Age 2 will sell very well, even if it is badly done ROG. Such is the power of marketing and mass consumer. ME2 was an awful RPG game but it sold well,based on the success of ME1 and on marketing.
Modifié par Kordaris, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .
#70
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:56
tez19 wrote...
bobad you not gona reply?
'ignoramous'
LOL
you are a funny one bobad with silly made up words to throw about.
LOL
Yeah you got me there, I was labouring under a serious misapprehension and using that to try and make you look foolish, however it turns out that I am the fool.
Well done sir and damn my obviously poor education.
#71
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 02:57
Lord Gremlin wrote...
1. Dragon Age sold much more than Mass Effect 2.
2. Dragon Age has no direct competitors. They all are very old PC games. There is Witcher (which is **** in many departments), but 1 competitor is not that much.
The Witcher is also a different kind of RPG, at least in gameplay. Plot wise I think Witcher went places BW didn´t dare to take DA (not just sex - the Witcher team themselves admit it felt like collecting cards and will chage it, but the dark fantasy feeling is way better than in DA). But I didn´t play DA to get the same feelings as in Witcher, so I don´t think of them as competitors.
#72
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 03:01
Bobad wrote...
tez19 wrote...
bobad you not gona reply?
'ignoramous'
LOL
you are a funny one bobad with silly made up words to throw about.
LOL
Yeah you got me there, I was labouring under a serious misapprehension and using that to try and make you look foolish, however it turns out that I am the fool.
Well done sir and damn my obviously poor education.
you are excused for your mistake.
#73
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 03:03
People like what they like. If no one makes the kind of games you like, you find something else to do with your time, but in the meantime asking game designers to make the kind of game you want to play is not some crime. It's become really tiresome to even come into this forum because of all the so-called pragmatists that have come out of the woodwork to knock down the "elitists." Next time you whine about the whiners, consider the irony first and spare us.
Modifié par Addai67, 26 juillet 2010 - 03:03 .
#74
Guest_imported_beer_*
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 03:13
Guest_imported_beer_*
However, [______] was becoming younger, and more culturally diverse. This effected not just the palate of the diners, but the people who could be hired to serve and to cook, the critics who would drop by to speak of their fare, and even the response to the appearance of the place, the food, the trans fat...everything.
The restaurant had to reinvent or end up broke. The restaurant did reinvent. It attracted a whole new fan base. Younger servers who found it more exciting to work there. The chef was excited about the new stuff he was creating. Everyone was charged up except for the die hards.
The die hard fans cribbed and complained and whined and even protested outside one weekend. But a small group of grumpy old timers cannot keep a company successful. Something they have a hard time comprehending.
#75
Guest_Kordaris_*
Posté 26 juillet 2010 - 03:15
Guest_Kordaris_*
imported_beer wrote...
When I lived in [_____], there was a restaurant that served heart Southern fare. It was delicious, it was authentic, and it was all the things people loved about Southern food. If they love Southern food.
(...)
The die hard fans cribbed and complained and whined and even protested outside one weekend. But a small group of grumpy old timers cannot keep a company successful. Something they have a hard time comprehending.
The restaurant now is called McDonalds South. And everybody loves it.
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