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[Pacifien]

You'll find a million and one polls about favorite characters, favorite love interests. During one recent survey, some of us started thinking about how one's age alters your perception of the game and the characters. A friend of mine said he felt the age of ME fans, particularly those who would post in these forums, would skew fairly low.

Okay, I'm trying to keep the discussion on the game, but in relation to its fans. If you're interested, there are a couple polls which aren't about the most popular, but really looking at popularity due to age. I'd been giving thought to where age would affect one's enjoyment of other aspects of the game, such as the loyalty missions in the second game. Or the paragon/renegade leanings. Or perhaps age really shouldn't be a factor, that you can't imagine it actually makes that much of a difference?

Female Love Interests
Male Love Interests

ETA: One more poll.
Non-Romanceable Characters and Demographics

Results of the Female Love Interests Poll as of 554 Votes
Results of the Male Love Interests Poll as of 323 Votes
Results for the Non-Romanceable Characters Poll

Note: In no way do I think these polls signify some great revelation about the game, the characters, and the people who play the game. They were created for curiosity purposes. Rant all you want about how polls are meaningless, but if you want to be productive, you can come up with a way for me to satisfy my curiosity through other means than what the BSN polls provide.

Modifié par Pacifien, 25 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Don't be too surprised if you see a lot of younger people voting for Tali.

[snfonseka]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Don't be too surprised if you see a lot of younger people voting for Tali.

indeed.

[Canned Bullets]

It seems that most of the Talimancers are underage.

[Pacifien]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...
Don't be too surprised if you see a lot of younger people voting for Tali.

That, so far, has been a given. But I had wondered if the Tali fans ever stopped to consider just how young they all are in comparison to some other fans.

Jacob, unsurprisingly, has zero votes from the female demographic. And if that changes, I will demand that one voter step out from the shadows and explain herself! Actually, the creator of the poll already said she preferred Jacob to Kaidan on an interesting personality level.

One assumption I've made is that ME1 would rate higher for older players while ME2 skews lower. That's not on the poll, though. Maybe I'll make one for all the non-love interest aspects of the game. Wait, I might have said that already.

[Reverie]

Poor Jacob. I find it interesting that there is quite a few females under 25 that find Garrus appealing, while there's quite a few over 25 that like Kaidan.

[Shotokanguy]

Can we just leave Tali out of any poll from now on?



It's getting boring.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Can we just leave Tali out of any poll from now on?

It's getting boring.

This man speaks a great truth.

Modifié par MTN Dew Fanatic, 27 juillet 2010 - 04:41 .

[Water Dumple]

The Talimancers are starting to ruin the character for me. I think, without trying to sound fanboyish at all, Tali is a genuinely well-designed character; she has good voicework, the best theme, the best loyalty mission, and of course a good backstory in my opinion. But it's irritating to see the huge fan thread used just to dominate the forum, with most intelligent discussion of the character thrown aside long ago. I was hoping to see some good comparisons, contrasts and analysis of character development for every teammate, but Tali seems to be the single one where it's impossible. Not sure why that happened, but now the replacement for intelligent discussion on this character appears to be "DAT ______" (insert any word). It's really getting out of hand when comments like this show up:

Shotokanguy wrote...

Can we just leave Tali out of any poll from now on?

It's getting boring.

...And those comments are completely valid. Hell, if I say something as far removed as "I like the Quarians" in general, I get immediately lumped in with the Talimancers and generally disregarded, despite my reasons and whatnot. I can find plenty of shared opinions on Garrus and Legion (you could say "Consensus" ), my other two favorite characters, but for some reason the forum has completely lowered Tali's state to some kind of weird nerd obsession. I wish it would end so all the characters could be considered on equal footing.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 27 juillet 2010 - 04:57 .

[snfonseka]

Water Dumple wrote...

The Talimancers are starting to ruin the character for me. I think, without trying to sound fanboyish at all, Tali is a genuinely well-designed character; she has good voicework, the best theme, the best loyalty mission, and of course a good backstory in my opinion. But it's irritating to see the huge fan thread used just to dominate the forum, with most intelligent discussion of the character thrown aside long ago. I was hoping to see some good comparisons, contrasts and analysis of character development for every teammate, but Tali seems to be the single one where it's impossible. Not sure why that happened, but now the replacement for intelligent discussion on this character appears to be "DAT ______" (insert any word). It's really getting out of hand when comments like this show up:

You can forget about the intelligent discussion, because most of the Tali "fan boys" don't have the ability to listen to others opinions and honour others ideas.

[JeanLuc761]

Canned Bullets wrote...

It seems that most of the Talimancers are underage.

Yeah uh, we actually took a poll and most of the members were 18 or older.  Nice try.

[Christmas Ape]

Yeah, for shame! This is, after all, a scintillating and balanced discussion with regard for the opinions of others.



But I guess once you can create a label and make it stick you don't really have to think of them as individuals any more.

[Landline]

snfonseka wrote...

You can forget about the intelligent discussion, because most of the Tali "fan boys" don't have the ability to listen to others opinions and honour others ideas.

Oh really? Most of what I see is just people hateing people who like Tali simply because they come in such great numbers.

[Landline]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Don't be too surprised if you see a lot of younger people voting for Tali.

Most of the votes for any of the female LI's are 25 or under.

[JeanLuc761]

Landline wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

You can forget about the intelligent discussion, because most of the Tali "fan boys" don't have the ability to listen to others opinions and honour others ideas.

Oh really? Most of what I see is just people hateing people who like Tali simply because they come in such great numbers.

(Almost) all of the Tali/Tali-fan hate is based entirely on the extremist fans rather than actually taking the time to look at the fanbase as a whole. 

MOST of the fanbase is over 18
MOST of the fanbase is capable of mature discussion
MOST of the fanbase isn't obsessed with quarian sexuality


It's the extremist members that **** up public perception and give EVERY Tali-fan, normal or not, a bad reputation.  It's stupid, but this is the internet.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 27 juillet 2010 - 05:53 .

[Massadonious1]

Turning 18 doesn't provide you some magical immunity to bouts of immaturity.



Just saying.

[JeanLuc761]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Turning 18 doesn't provide you some magical immunity to bouts of immaturity.

Just saying.

Certainly true, but that goes for everyone. 

EVERY character's fanbase has a small percentage of extremists who simply go too damn far in their appreciation of the character.  Tali's fanbase is seemingly the largest, therefore she has the highest number of extremists (not necessarily the highest percentage).  Hence why the Tali-fanbase is the only one that gets generalized and shunned.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Turning 18 doesn't provide you some magical immunity to bouts of immaturity.

Just saying.

Certainly true, but that goes for everyone. 

EVERY character's fanbase has a small percentage of extremists who simply go too damn far in their appreciation of the character.  Tali's fanbase is seemingly the largest, therefore she has the highest number of extremists (not necessarily the highest percentage).  Hence why the Tali-fanbase is the only one that gets generalized and shunned.

I've entered(and escaped) the Migrant Fleet of Talimancers once, and what I saw was pretty extreme and creepy

[TaHol]

I can speak only for myself, being over 40 years old. I think it might have something to do with me liking characters that are not so popular (that is what OP was talking about?). Or I'm just like that and would be even if I were 18. God only knows and does not tell. I like Thane and Zaeed (who is very traumatized, I think), I really liked Zevran. Someone here played Metal Gears? Kojima took Raiden straight from my wet dreams, how he did it I don't know but result was a success in my point of view. I just love him.



Romances in games are not important for me, but I play them when they are there. Mostly I find all romances being awkward and unrealistic, not to mention shallow, and in ME2 I decided my chars are all gays and faithfull to Kaidan. What I seek in game is challenge. I don't label games, and I don't spoil them from myself by analyzing and seeking hidden thruths. I know if I like a game after playing a while, and that is enough for me. Often games I like are the ones I find difficult in first play through and just stumble through them to see the story, and that difficulty keeps me coming back. I want to learn to manage the game. It gives me enjoyment.



I see LOTS of opinions I can not relate to (like, most of them). For me forums are like...soap opera. I seek knowledge, but rarely find it (thanks OP and Ecael for giving it in here). One thing that always makes me wonder...is that popular saying that this or that character is a "whiner". I have a feeling it comes from young men...who, as I know from experience, are the worst whiners in the world and huge martyrs . If writers try to give any character some psychological deepness, that character turns to be a "whiner". Or if character is made to please women, character is gay"looking" and ****got (like there would be a prototype of gay in RL). Or badass...what the heck is that? So character is labeled to be a badass if he is sosiopath or mentally disturbed in serial killer-way and that is good? Or is this all just a need to label things so people can look and judge in one second without actually feeling or thinking something?



About the paragon/renegade-system: I think it is ridicilous and should be removed. Charm and Intimidate was better. Persuasion is better. Anything is better than what we have now. I don't "role-play" my characters so for me it is just the same anyway, but it still annoys me. If I need some certain result, I just go and edit the points, that is how much importance I give to that aspect of game.

[Water Dumple]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Turning 18 doesn't provide you some magical immunity to bouts of immaturity.

Just saying.

Certainly true, but that goes for everyone. 

EVERY character's fanbase has a small percentage of extremists who simply go too damn far in their appreciation of the character.  Tali's fanbase is seemingly the largest, therefore she has the highest number of extremists (not necessarily the highest percentage).  Hence why the Tali-fanbase is the only one that gets generalized and shunned.

The problem is that the more extremists are together, the greater they make themselves out to be; nobody will have a conversation with himself, but when you get that many like-minded people together, they multiply their influence and ricochet off of each other to exacerbate the problem. (4 like-minded people will have greater than twice the influence of 2.) There are enough Talimancers to be a completely self-sustained group apart from fans of intelligent discussion for the character, but they mingle with the rest and paint the whole sub-community of Tali fans in a bad light. And they do that nonstop, so it's impossible to ignore them completely.

As a part of the aforementioned group of intelligent discussion fans, this is irritating because I feel like I have to go into a long-winded justification just to say that I like the character for logical reasons. With my other favorite characters Garrus and Legion, I can just say I'm fans of them and it's acceptible. With Tali, the extremists have made it so one has to effectively prove one's individuality/intelligence/rationality in order to be able to carry out a reasonable heckling-free discussion.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 27 juillet 2010 - 06:17 .

[Siansonea]

Well, this thread isn't about Tali or Talimancers necessarily, so let's not deepen that rut any more. Obviously the discussion can include Tali, but it’s more than just a one-character issue.



I do think there is probably a trend in the characters that appeal to players of different ages and gender. I think older females like myself are probably generally drawn to the ‘mature’ characters like Liara, Kaidan, Samara, Thane, Garrus, Miranda, and to some extent Mordin and Jacob (really, much of Jacob's ick factor is due to FemShep, not Jacob himself).



I know I like characters who seem to have some vulnerability without being too fragile, and who are approachable and sane. The very things that others dismiss as 'boring' about Liara and Kaidan, for example, are the things I like about them. I like that Kaidan doesn't thump his chest and flirt crudely with FemShep, and that Liara basically says what's on her mind. As you get older, you appreciate people with sensitivity and depth, and video game characters that emulate these traits.



Characters like Zaeed, with his brittle machismo, Grunt, with his single-minded testosterone-fueled aggression, and Jack, with her awful past and defensive nature, just don't seem worth investing the time to get past all the barriers, even if there is a ‘heart of gold’ underneath it all. At some point you just say "call me when you've dealt with some of your issues". People like this that I meet in real life, I pass right on by. I just don’t have time for it, and it’s exhausting to deal with such people.



Tali is a special case, her character has become rather inseparable from her astoundingly large fanbase. I find myself unable to appreciate the character on her own merits, all I see now when I look at her is an adolescent boy’s sexual fantasy. That’s unfortunate, because I don’t think that’s what the developers originally had in mind for the character. Though they should have known when they gave her those torso proportions that biology would take over and the game’s core audience demographic would respond as nature demands.

[JedTed]

I'm 24, male and i voted for Ashley. She's tough but can be sensitive at times.

[snfonseka]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Turning 18 doesn't provide you some magical immunity to bouts of immaturity.

Just saying.

Certainly true, but that goes for everyone. 

EVERY character's fanbase has a small percentage of extremists who simply go too damn far in their appreciation of the character.  Tali's fanbase is seemingly the largest, therefore she has the highest number of extremists (not necessarily the highest percentage).  Hence why the Tali-fanbase is the only one that gets generalized and shunned.

I've entered(and escaped) the Migrant Fleet of Talimancers once, and what I saw was pretty extreme and creepy

I think congrates in order! because a lot of ppl cannot do it without any scars / wounds .

[Ousideas]

I'm under 25 and appreciate all of the characters. That said of course I like some more than others. But for the most part I pretty much like all of the characters. I thoroughly enjoyed my talks with Samara and Thane. Garrus is one of my favorite characters (as well as Mordin and Legion).