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[Arttis]

I believe you are wrong it is limitless!

I believe Bioware has billions to spend!

[AllThatJazz]

Besides, imagine the uproar if it's still impossible to play as an Elf or a Dwarf, but you get your booby-slider! There would be riots in the streets of Edmonton, man. And babies would therefore be in peril. Think of the children!

[Amentep]

AllThatJazz wrote...

But then where do you stop? Perhaps, in addition to the booby/body slider, I would like to be able to completely customise the look of my stronghold (if there is one) - everything, from the walls and roof, to the interior decor. And what about total armour customisation - shouldn't I be able to turn a regular piece of tank plate into a bright purple chainkini if I have the in-game gold? Or vice versa (more likely, for me:happy:) And I want more shades of lipstick, and more tattoos, and more hairstyles, and I wanna completely customise the look of all my companions. And if I'm having an effect on an entire city, I want to be able to redesign that city from the ground up, dammit! Okay, so I'm exaggerating , but do you see my point? Loads of people would probably want loads of different things, customisation-wise, but the more of them Bio puts in, the less resources they have for stuff which is kind of integral, and the more the game turns into the Sims. While that is a franchise I've spent some time with, it is definitely not a direction in which I'd like to see Dragon Age go.
It isn't a matter of being offended by big breasts (the very idea! ), or of thinking that people shouldn't be allowed to play the way they want,  just a matter of prioritising. x

I tend to favor customization of my character over customization of the world. I'd love more hairstyles and the ability to customize armor a bit (not full to chainmail bikini, but I'd love to be able to change the colors at least).  Customizing companions and keeps?  Not as interesting to me; I can accept those as being outside of my control.

That said, for an RPG, I think the elements of character creation should have some effect on the game.  If they were going to allow customizable breast size then there should be some +/- to it beyond just cosmetic.  Like larger breasts negatively affecting carry weight and archery skills, adding to the noticibility of the character (+communications skills, + attraction with certain people, -not drawing attention to oneself), and possibly even rising the cost of armor (since it'd have to be customized). 

But is it worth it, when considering the limitation of resources to follow such a path?  Really depends on the game being created, but also how far you want to expand the consequences.  To me DA series isn't really that kind of game and I agree that in a case of priorities there are better things to look at.

[Arttis]

I am all about changing the body!

FREEDOM!CHOICE!ADD!ALWAYS ADD!!!!

[AllThatJazz]

Amentep wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

But then where do you stop? Perhaps, in addition to the booby/body slider, I would like to be able to completely customise the look of my stronghold (if there is one) - everything, from the walls and roof, to the interior decor. And what about total armour customisation - shouldn't I be able to turn a regular piece of tank plate into a bright purple chainkini if I have the in-game gold? Or vice versa (more likely, for me:happy:) And I want more shades of lipstick, and more tattoos, and more hairstyles, and I wanna completely customise the look of all my companions. And if I'm having an effect on an entire city, I want to be able to redesign that city from the ground up, dammit! Okay, so I'm exaggerating , but do you see my point? Loads of people would probably want loads of different things, customisation-wise, but the more of them Bio puts in, the less resources they have for stuff which is kind of integral, and the more the game turns into the Sims. While that is a franchise I've spent some time with, it is definitely not a direction in which I'd like to see Dragon Age go.
It isn't a matter of being offended by big breasts (the very idea! ), or of thinking that people shouldn't be allowed to play the way they want,  just a matter of prioritising. x

I tend to favor customization of my character over customization of the world. I'd love more hairstyles and the ability to customize armor a bit (not full to chainmail bikini, but I'd love to be able to change the colors at least).  Customizing companions and keeps?  Not as interesting to me; I can accept those as being outside of my control.

That said, for an RPG, I think the elements of character creation should have some effect on the game.  If they were going to allow customizable breast size then there should be some +/- to it beyond just cosmetic.  Like larger breasts negatively affecting carry weight and archery skills, adding to the noticibility of the character (+communications skills, + attraction with certain people, -not drawing attention to oneself), and possibly even rising the cost of armor (since it'd have to be customized). 

But is it worth it, when considering the limitation of resources to follow such a path?  Really depends on the game being created, but also how far you want to expand the consequences.  To me DA series isn't really that kind of game and I agree that in a case of priorities there are better things to look at.

For what it's worth, I wasn't being entirely serious re my own wants there. I have zero interest in building a keep in Dragon Age, like you it would be a more personal level of customisation I'd enjoy (breast size unimportant to me, though :-)). But I bet some people would really like that kind of thing, and that was sort of my point, that if Bio tries to cater to every option that everyone would like, they end up sacrificing stuff that's much more important.

Urrrghhhh, that wasn't very articulate, was it? I need wine, that always helps! :happy:

[mllrthyme]

I've got no problem with freedom and choice and customization of the pc, but changing the body size/shape may affect the way the armor looks on a body. I doubt the devs can accomadate every different body style and shape that the players create.

[Arttis]

mllrthyme wrote...

I've got no problem with freedom and choice and customization of the pc, but changing the body size/shape may affect the way the armor looks on a body. I doubt the devs can accomadate every different body style and shape that the players create.

Oh they can.

[Saibh]

Arttis wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

I've got no problem with freedom and choice and customization of the pc, but changing the body size/shape may affect the way the armor looks on a body. I doubt the devs can accomadate every different body style and shape that the players create.

Oh they can.

You're right, they can. But it would take away from the things that people play a BioWare game for.

Again, if it's so easy, and just so important, why don't most RPGs allow for it?

Modifié par Saibh, 28 juillet 2010 - 07:23 .

[Arttis]

Because they do not want to make a great game.Alas I never said it was easy.

[mllrthyme]

Arttis wrote...

Because they do not want to make a great game.Alas I never said it was easy.

So what you're saying is that boob sliders and body adjusters will make a great game, even though it may not be easy for the devs to do?

[AllThatJazz]

Being able to turn Hawke's story into mediaeval Baywatch does not = great game. It makes it a game that I back away from, at speed, while my 14 year-old nephew tells me how great it is. Argh.

[Arttis]

mllrthyme wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Because they do not want to make a great game.Alas I never said it was easy.

So what you're saying is that boob sliders and body adjusters will make a great game, even though it may not be easy for the devs to do?

This is the difference between a good game and a great game.
Of course you must realise what the word great and good really mean to each individual.

[mllrthyme]

You lost me. How do boob sliders and body adjusters make a great game? Yes, it may allow for more customization of the pc, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the story. In nwn you could customize your body type, but it had no impact on the story, and as far as I know, Bioware never did it in another game.

[Arttis]

depends on what you like as what is good or great differs from each person....

[mllrthyme]

Sooo, that still doesn't answer my question of how it makes a great game. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is why you think that body customization, either for males or females, makes a game great for you since the definition of "great" varies from person to person?

[Wynne]

Deviija wrote...

I also liked having buff (man) mages in DA:O. Why do magic-users have
to be skinny? I think it is a silly stereotype. Besides, there is
plenty of time for learnin' books and workin' on your fitness.

They don't have to be, but there's a reason they should be. 'Cause not everyone likes buff bodies. I know women who like the Seth Rogen/Jason Segel type; the cuddly pudgy teddy-bear guys, and I am a woman who doesn't mind buff, but prefers to date a guy who's somewhere between lean-muscled, average, and scrawny stick-man. I've no doubt there are guys out there who ARE the teddy bear/scrawny type as well, and might enjoy being able to play with a build that resembles their own. Our differences make us interesting.

It's not the class necessarily... I'd take class differences if that was the only way I could play varied body types, but considering human is now our only choice, it would be nice if we could make a few choices about height and shape, however minor they might be.

mllrthyme wrote...

Agreed.  No jiggly-ness - it would seriously impede my rogue's ability to behead people.

Jiggle is exquisitely annoying. Give me support any day. That's the sort of thing that really has no place in a game which has a point other than titillation. Even a stupid chain-mail bikini is preferable to jiggle.

Arttis wrote...

I am not saying you are restricting.But would like to restrict. 

Just out of curiosity, how would you feel about a bulge slider for males?

Modifié par Wynne, 28 juillet 2010 - 07:54 .

[Arttis]

Would love bulge slider!

[mllrthyme]

Arttis wrote...

Would love bulge slider!

lol.  OMG I'm seriously having so much fun right now.

[CptSkull]

mllrthyme wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Would love bulge slider!

lol.  OMG I'm seriously having so much fun right now.

They have that feature in Saints Row 2, the problem was you could use it on a girl character.

[Amentep]

AllThatJazz wrote...

For what it's worth, I wasn't being entirely serious re my own wants there. I have zero interest in building a keep in Dragon Age, like you it would be a more personal level of customisation I'd enjoy (breast size unimportant to me, though :-)). But I bet some people would really like that kind of thing, and that was sort of my point, that if Bio tries to cater to every option that everyone would like, they end up sacrificing stuff that's much more important.

Urrrghhhh, that wasn't very articulate, was it? I need wine, that always helps! :happy:

Yeah sorry, I could tell you weren't totally serious but it was such a great spring board for a few thoughts I had.

Modifié par Amentep, 28 juillet 2010 - 08:09 .

[twincast]

Wynne wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Agreed.  No jiggly-ness - it would seriously impede my rogue's ability to behead people.

Jiggle is exquisitely annoying. Give me support any day. That's the sort of thing that really has no place in a game which has a point other than titillation. Even a stupid chain-mail bikini is preferable to jiggle.

To be fair, I was referring to their behinds. 'Though I wouldn't be suprised if their breasts were affected as well. I don't think we got to see a front view of a female toon running, however.

Anyway, bulge slider? I'd be all over for it!

[AllThatJazz]

 Bulge slider = :crying: I really don't know which emoticon is more appropriate, so there you go. All my current states of mind.

[twincast]

CptSkull wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Would love bulge slider!

lol.  OMG I'm seriously having so much fun right now.

They have that feature in Saints Row 2, the problem was you could use it on a girl character.

You tellin' me you got sometin' against she-males, mistah?

[AllThatJazz]

Amentep wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

For what it's worth, I wasn't being entirely serious re my own wants there. I have zero interest in building a keep in Dragon Age, like you it would be a more personal level of customisation I'd enjoy (breast size unimportant to me, though :-)). But I bet some people would really like that kind of thing, and that was sort of my point, that if Bio tries to cater to every option that everyone would like, they end up sacrificing stuff that's much more important.

Urrrghhhh, that wasn't very articulate, was it? I need wine, that always helps! :happy:

Yeah sorry, I could tell you weren't totally serious but it was such a great spring board for a few thoughts I had.

Hey, glad to be of assistance.